Your Top 10 Favorite Players of All-Time

[Len B]

Sorry, that answer didn't suffice. Please submit a 1,000 word PM to me on why you will be a good boy in the future and I will get back to you after that. If you enjoyed these spankings that much you can IM me and we can advance to bondage.

 

[Senser81]

I'll post more later.

Walker was a decent player who was asked to do way too much. His shooting was perhaps the worst in history. His assist turnover ratio was about zero, which is terrible for a PG. He was probably most effective as a rebounder and defender, yet he would average 14 missed shots per game.

It would be like letting Richard Jefferson run your offense.

 

[FirstTimer]

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LOL at your posturing like you've done shit.

Now I remember why VSN started out as such a joke.

 

[Len B]

Good try again, FT. Keep working on it bud you'll get there!

And Senser, I agree for the most part aside from the Richard Jefferson comparison. Walker was a better with the ball, and was better in the post. Jefferson was more of a slasher/athletic type. Could shoot much better and have less turnovers, but if he did that he'd be a 1st team player in the NBA which we all know he isn't.

 

[FirstTimer]

Good try again, FT. Keep working on it bud you'll get there!

That's the best you have?

:lol:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

1) Larry Bird

2) Michael Jordan

3) Scottie Pippen

4) Horace Grant

5) Manute Bol


6) Dennis Rodman (Bulls)

7) Paul Mokeski

8) Antoine Carr

9) Chris Gatling

10) Fat Lever

Rory Sparrow?

 

[NAHSTE]

:walker: @ this entire thread past page 1. (40 ppp)

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah, is this shit even worth reading? I should post my list too.

 

[FedEx227]

Without reading beyond the first page I'm guessing it continues or devolves into:

THIS GUY SUCKED.

He did this.

I BARELY WATCHED IN THE 2000s CAUSE EVERYBODY SUCKED BUT I'M STILL GOING TO FORMULATE A NEGATIVE OPINION ON IT

With that said, Walker was an above-average guy that seems to fall into a weird category of being largely underrated by a lot of people who didn't really watch him play but more or less saw highlights or stick with the fat, lazy narrative. He's also overrated by many because even though he was entertaining as hell he wasn't anywhere near superstar level and was a byproduct of a very weak Eastern conference during his time.

 

[FirstTimer]

Without reading beyond the first page I'm guessing it continues or devolves into:

THIS GUY SUCKED.

He did this.

I BARELY WATCHED IN THE 2000s CAUSE EVERYBODY SUCKED BUT I'M STILL GOING TO FORMULATE A NEGATIVE OPINION ON IT

With that said, Walker was an above-average guy that seems to fall into a weird category of being largely underrated by a lot of people who didn't really watch him play but more or less saw highlights or stick with the fat, lazy narrative. He's also overrated by many because even though he was entertaining as hell he wasn't anywhere near superstar level and was a byproduct of a very weak Eastern conference during his time.

EDIT NVM. Missed the ASG column on Basketball ref. My bad.

That being said I liked Walker early on. He was a more compelling player before he started chucking over 600 threes a season. He's one of those guys that was pretty fairly above average but could have been much better had he been under a better coach or hadn't bought into the chucking mentality.

 

[FirstTimer]

Also, to what Fed said to a certain degree...Walker likely will get a bit of a snub from people because he played during a really unpopular era of NBA ball to a lot of fans, and played in a just horrid conference.

I mean seriously...the early to mid 2000's EC was just fucking terrible. The only person who likes it is some guy on the CCS board who claims the 2004 Indiana Pacers could beat the 2012 Miami Heat.

 

[FedEx227]

I watched it, but even then it was rough. I loved Vince Carter, Iverson and the Chicago Bulls so that led me to watching a lot of it.

 

[FirstTimer]

I watched it, but even then it was rough. I loved Vince Carter, Iverson and the Chicago Bulls so that led me to watching a lot of it.

I loved Iverson too. Vince Carter was great to watch and The Bulls were fun bad/average then.

I think my favorite Bulls teams were around 2003-2005 when you guys like:
Jamal Crawford
Eddy Curry
Tyson Chandler
Kendall Gill(?!?!)
Jalen Rose
Marcus Fizer
Jay Williams
Eddie Robinson(lol)
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Gordon
Nocioni


I'd put Deng here but he's never been really fun to watch as a player.

 

[A Tasty Burgerr]

This is offtopic but I think this is my earliest distinctive memory of a live basketball game that I watched.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199904100CHI.html

 

[MattD56]

And the groan for posting their record once they acquired Walker from Atlanta? Be a good boy and answer that one as well.

do people really give that much of a shit about groans? good grief

 

[NAHSTE]

Not to take sides here, but isn't the whole "versatile player = good player" argument straight out of the Chi-City Sports playbook?

I guess you could say Antoine Walker was the Boris Diaw of his era. Fat, "versatile" and could "play" multiple positions.

 

[Len B]

With that said, Walker was an above-average guy that seems to fall into a weird category of being largely underrated by a lot of people who didn't really watch him play but more or less saw highlights or stick with the fat, lazy narrative. He's also overrated by many because even though he was entertaining as hell he wasn't anywhere near superstar level and was a byproduct of a very weak Eastern conference during his time.

Not to take sides here, but isn't the whole "versatile player = good player" argument straight out of the Chi-City Sports playbook?

I guess you could say Antoine Walker was the Boris Diaw of his era. Fat, "versatile" and could "play" multiple positions.

Which is all I said. Also add emotional leader and you sum up my thoughts. Walker produced much, much better than Diaw. Whether you liked the guy or not, you can't argue he was a versatile player who did help make his team better during his prime. The post Atlanta Hawks trade sums it up perfectly. The reason he's underrated is because everyone, including Boston fans, think he hurt the Celtics and was a pile of shit. Apparently versatile = superstar in some peoples minds.

I do think its funny leaders are only measured by championships. If a guy is a leader (Tom Brady), he's considered near the best of all time because he has titles. If he's a leader who turns a shitty team into an above average team, it's not recognized. Walker was twice the leader Pierce ever was, but because Pierce has the title people will think he was the glue. They don't like to acknowledge KG. It is possible to be a great leader on an average team, which ups the worth of a player to me.

The rest is me just fucking around with everyone's least favorite troll, FT, and making him backup his shitty shtick. I should be a bigger man and ignore the guy everyone bashes, but sometimes it's too much fun for me.

That said, I'm glad we had a long discussion about Antoine Walker :smug: Dream come true since he should be irrelevant.

 

[Len B]

do people really give that much of a shit about groans? good grief

It had nothing to do with the groan but you'll see some day if you stick around. Hope you do!

 

[MattD56]

It had nothing to do with the groan but you'll see some day if you stick around. Hope you do!

really?

Don't be the typical woodshed FT we've known to hate here at VSN. You're trolling around groaning every post, which means you disagree with what I'm saying. And in typical FT form you can't counter statistics that I'm giving you, while simply resorting to 'I'm not talking to you!'

You need to stop surrending so easily and be a good little boy while you take your beatings.

it has NOTHING to do with groans? doesn't seem like it

but even if it doesn't, then why bring it up? just seems like an irrelevant thing from my perspective

if you're talking about FT regarding the whole "you'll see" thing, he posts on another site...i'm quite familiar with his posting

 

[Senser81]

I do think its funny leaders are only measured by championships. If a guy is a leader (Tom Brady), he's considered near the best of all time because he has titles. If he's a leader who turns a shitty team into an above average team, it's not recognized. Walker was twice the leader Pierce ever was, but because Pierce has the title people will think he was the glue. They don't like to acknowledge KG. It is possible to be a great leader on an average team, which ups the worth of a player to me.

Thats a terrible comparison. Lets take away all the leadership intangibles and championships, and compare Tom Brady to Antoine Walker. Brady is so far ahead of Walker on statistics alone, its not even funny. Brady has arguably the greatest statistical season by a QB in NFL history -- Walker's season of leading the NBA in FG attempts while shooting 39% from the field and missing 1000+ shots is arguably the worst statistical season by a player in NBA history. To imply that Walker is Brady's equal, its just that one has titles and the other doesn't, is ridiculous and groan-worthy in itself.