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Hey ram29jackson...

Timmy said:
Offenses are consistent. Patriots, Colts, most of the 49er offense has been together, Jaguars, Cowboys, almost every offense has had its core stick together for a while. Of course players are going to change. But look at the Jets depth chart

QB-Sanchez-rookie
RB-Thomas Jones 2 years/Leon Washington 4 years
FB-Tony Richardson 2 years
WR1- Jerricho Cottchery 6 years
WR2- Chansi Stuckey 2 years (I actually believe he's been a Jet for 3)
WR3 Brad Smith- 3 years
TE- Dustin Keller 2 years
LT- D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4 years
LG- Alan Faneca 2 years
C Nick Mangold 4 years
RG Brandon Moore (2, 3 years, not sure exactly)
RT- Damien Woody 2 years

Every player but Sanchez has spent at least 2 years with the Jets, and I figure within 2 years you learn the system, You fail
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no, you see, due to the league wide parity this is good enough to do that well with a rookie QB. The Jets are one of the better teams right now in a not so good league. Defenses are winning games for teams because most team offenses arent that cohesive and are interchanged too often.
 
Timmy said:
I'm going to guess right now that you think (and I) think that the Jets are going to the playoffs. Have you ever thought that maybe the defenses are so good that offenses have to struggle and rely on the supporting cast. And you need (for the most part) a good QB to win/make the Super Bowl

Super Bowl QB
Kurt Warner/Ben Roethlisberger Great QBs
Eli Manning/Tom Brady Very Good/Elite QB
Rex Grossman/Peyton Manning Weak NFC that year/Great QB
Big Ben/Matt Hasselback Hasselback was great that year
McNabb/Brady Great QBs

You need (unless a special case) a great QB to win/make the Super Bowl and get deep in the playoffs
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I honestly want to doubt the Jets will have a season like the Ravens did last year.
 
Timmy said:
I'm going to guess right now that you think (and I) think that the Jets are going to the playoffs. Have you ever thought that maybe the defenses are so good that offenses have to struggle and rely on the supporting cast. And you need (for the most part) a good QB to win/make the Super Bowl

Super Bowl QB
Kurt Warner/Ben Roethlisberger Great QBs
Eli Manning/Tom Brady Very Good/Elite QB
Rex Grossman/Peyton Manning Weak NFC that year/Great QB
Big Ben/Matt Hasselback Hasselback was great that year
McNabb/Brady Great QBs

You need (unless a special case) a great QB to win/make the Super Bowl and get deep in the playoffs
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Rex Grossman was the beginning example of parity helping teams succeed where they shouldnt- he wasnt a great QB by any means
 
Timmy said:
The Ravens offense was experienced last year actually, similar to the Jets

QB Joe Flacco Rookie
RB McGahee, 2 years, Rice, 1,
WR Mason, 4 years
WR Clayton, 4 years
TE Heap, 8 years

The only inexperienced players were Flacco and Rice, that was a team with a core that had stuck together
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my point being,there shouldnt be any success like that because of a rookie QB.
 
Woy said:
The information you gave me for Google brought up first-round picks. So you're still a joke.
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no, I am sorry young man. But you are fool for insulting me and being unable to do a simple deductive reasoning form of research. Your the joke because you cant find something that should be quite easy to do. How can I be the joke when you cant find out something that I know?
 
Timmy said:
AFC North average time spent with team: 4 years. Enough time to learn any offense.

You fail
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no, I do not fail. Are you just referring to QBs? it takes 11 on each side plus special teams , remember?
they call it parity for a reason- teams are not staying together for 4 year spans.

kids slang today haha-abusing the word fail haha
 
You make no sense...

the Jets offensive line is good but so far, the run game has been inconsistent...that 1st week withstanding, the running game has been average.

Sanchez if anything has been the guy getting the Jets down the field, making plays with his arm.

Mind you, his WR corps consists of Cotchery, Stuckey, Smith, Wallace...3 of which are literally 4th WR's at best. Stuckey has been mediocre aside from the 1st game while Cotchery has been outstanding. Keller hasn't gotten a ton of yardage out there neither. Sanchez doesn't have weapons around him and he's been great. He's been OUTSTANDING on 3rd downs too as well.

The defense is the #1 reason and then I'd say Sanchez would be #2 honestly. The defense is holding opposing QB's to under 50% on the season, while picking off a pass every game and allowing under 200 yards average passing in 3 games so gar.
 
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Mogriffjr said:
You make no sense...

the Jets offensive line is good but so far, the run game has been inconsistent...that 1st week withstanding, the running game has been average.

Sanchez if anything has been the guy getting the Jets down the field, making plays with his arm.

Mind you, his WR corps consists of Cotchery, Stuckey, Smith, Wallace...3 of which are literally 4th WR's at best. Stuckey has been mediocre aside from the 1st game while Cotchery has been outstanding. Keller hasn't gotten a ton of yardage out there neither. Sanchez doesn't have weapons around him and he's been great. He's been OUTSTANDING on 3rd downs too as well.

The defense is the #1 reason and then I'd say Sanchez would be #2 honestly. The defense is holding opposing QB's to under 50% on the season, while picking off a pass every game and allowing under 200 yards average passing in 3 games so gar.
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it proves my point- weaker teams are succeeding due to parity
 
Timmy said:
Nope, I used all 11 players. I don't feel like retyping every single team I wrote, so here is the few that I still have. (Steelers got deleted somehow)

none of this disproves that teams are generally of a weaker quality. So, some teams will have success. The Steelers,Patriots and Colts are basically the only teams that get players to be motivated by a winning philosophy for prolonged periods of time. It really doesnt matter what the Browns do because the front office is so clueless that they cant buy a winner. The jets so far are just this years parity lottery winner so to speak.
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ram29jackson said:
no, I am sorry young man. But you are fool for insulting me and being unable to do a simple deductive reasoning form of research. Your the joke because you cant find something that should be quite easy to do. How can I be the joke when you cant find out something that I know?
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You gave me the wrong information, you are the joke.
 
Timmy said:
ram29jackson said:
You keep flip-flopping points. One second you're saying that it's because of lack of time spent together, the next you're talking about a winning philosophy. I provided facts, all you have shown is opinions. And you made me do my research and then flip-flopped.
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haha, I have flipped flop nothing. you are trying to pigeon hole one or 2 simple factors.
there are many factors. A few teams have been able to keep pushing forward. but for the most part,parity keeps everyone fragmented. teams are winning based on momentary talent but not long term practiced execution.
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