I Hate Madden Nation

[Archer]

I agree with everything droopy sed

And HaleYes like i sed before majority of eafl players are NOTHING like lobby ballars for me id urge u to play some of them before u go out there and label them all like that .

 

[raczilla]

Going to play devils advocate and stir the pot around the league element of this discussion.

http://220league.com/

Started on Madden 2003 and still running strong with some of the core sim community guys. First ever league to use Leaguedaddy to track stats (Powers Madden league actually started right around the same time so it's debatable). Has often had a crazy long waiting list and the level of competition is up there in terms of sim community guys (whether sim guys can run with tourney guys is a different argument heh).

Full Disclosure: I co-founded this league over 5 years ago so I'm bragging as much as anything else. Although I haven't run the league since Madden 2004, I'm proud of how it's been able to sustain itself.


Anyway, the point being that I'm not sure you can look at this debate and say connect the dots to either one of these two groups as being more dedicated and competitive than the other. The reason there is a debate in the first place is because both groups are passionate about their specific brand of Madden NFL Football

 

[Archer]

Lets not get into arguing whos the better league lol , we can all argue one way or another ...... EAFL has to be the most well known league out there but whos to say that means its the best league ......id say EAFL and GGML are the best leagues iv been apart off but for very different reasons .

 

[Saluki]

I agree with everything droopy sed

And HaleYes like i sed before majority of eafl players are NOTHING like lobby ballars for me id urge u to play some of them before u go out there and label them all like that .

Just like i would encourage coach K to play some of the better sim ballers before he goes and labels them all players looking to make madden "easy". Some guys prefer to play freestyle, some prefer sim, doesn't make one better than another regardless of what anyone says.

 

[raczilla]

Lets not get into arguing whos the better league lol

That wasn't the point (or even suggested). The point was that the league element of this discussion is moot because there are a number of examples of well established and dedicated leagues across all sorts of styles of Madden play. It doesn't help make the case of tourney baller vs. sim baller or vice versa.

 

[Archer]

Im very sure some people get their asses kicked in eafl then claim its because its not sim and they probably arnt even sim ballars themselves but just needed an excuse instead of admitting they got they got wooped

ps. I was in eafl e for 2 seasons (made 2 playoffs) and would still be there now if not for your commish rule , so i hardly feel like i looked like a easy softcore oppponent that u speak of

 

[Archer]

That wasn't the point (or even suggested). The point was that the league element of this discussion is moot because there are a number of examples of well established and dedicated leagues across all sorts of styles of Madden play. It doesn't help make the case of tourney baller vs. sim baller or vice versa.

my bad i just didnt want to see 5 pages of ppl sayin this league is better blah blah sorry , and that league looks cool from the link i saw....

 

[raczilla]

my bad i just didnt want to see 5 pages of ppl sayin this league is better blah blah sorry , and that league looks cool from the link i saw....

Agreed. I just wanted to make it clear that wasn't the intention.


I've been around the online Madden Community for a long time and this sim vs. freestyle debate has been going on since day one. I can remember seeing threads like this about Madden 2003 and the argument has never done much more than frustrate those who are involved.

I came out of the sim community at sites like Madden Mania and Madden Nation (now Sports Gamer ) and I think most would probably characterize me as a sim player even today, but I've built a lot of strong relationships with the tourney community and have a great deal of respect for a number of those guys. It should go without saying there there's a big difference between tourney style play and cheating (which is never acceptable in any part of the community).

I would definitely encourage people who are only familiar with one group or style to learn more about what other people are doing, if for no other reason than to have a better understanding of why people play the game a certain way. But even if there's no interest at all in doing this, there is enough community to go around for everyone to be involved and a constant debate over style of play ideology isn't going to help anyone improve their experience.

As is always the case, listening and understanding are a lot better options than back and forth arguing about whose brand of Madden is better and why.

 

[raczilla]

We can always appreciate a well-run league that has stood the test of time Rac; unfortunately,there are WAY too many "doo-doo" leagues out there. -Good stuff.

As you know, running a league is no small achievement and requires a ton of preparation and dedication if it's to be successful. Even playing in a league is a pretty big commitment, so running one isn't something everyone is going to be able to do at a high level.

I agree that there are a lot of "also rans" when it comes to leagues, but I think the community has to go to more to help each other when it comes to make sure even more people can be successful. Gotta spread that knowledge around to improve the overall quality of the community.. you know?

 

[Wildcard]

Most people don't know what SIM is anymore.

I wish Madden Mania was active. They had rules people followed, and didn't stretch the unwritten ones forever....

 

[I LastWish I]

lol @ you guys still arguing about this. let it die. SIM is not freestyle and freestyle is not SIM.

 

[Point Blank]

Hey now, my kid has nothing to do with cheese. Leave him/her alone..

 

[kmanharris]

Sim players are crybabies. They always pissin' and moanin' about something. You win some you lose some. Madden is a sim style game thus making us all sim ballers, no matter the scheme. This ain't NFL Blitz, now quit your crying.

SIM baller = hater

That was the dumbest thing I have ever heard
:gtfo:

 

[Berowsk]

wow i didn't expect this to become 6 pages long

 

[Berowsk]

No more arguing.. it's over.

Yes, i'm sim, i like it sim, and i will complain when playing somebody who i dont feel is as sim as i am. Your freestyle, you like playing the game how you play it, i dont think high of it but just do what you gotta do.. Im sim and like i said earlier it's like bitter old men playing a chess match.

 

[DSpydr84]

It's such a fine line, and like KoachK said, the term "sim" is so subjective anyway, that I can't believe this arguement is still going on. You guys probably agree on your points but have different meanings of "sim" so you're arguing over nothing.

Let it go.

 

[I LastWish I]

been watching this on TV for the last couple hours. i like the madden, hate the dbags on the show. Can't stand them at all! so loud and obnoxious. I liked how they all ganged up on Dynasty though, hah.

 

[steeljake]

i just couldnt let someone get in my grill like that though, first time i got bumped it would be a beat down.

 

[Rush]

i just couldnt let someone get in my grill like that though, first time i got bumped it would be a beat down.

That is mostly a part of the show, not the actual guys. They encourage them to be loudmouths and talk shit. I met a couple of the guys at a tournament that talked a lot of shit and it was nothing like that. For the most part, some of them listened to their iPods. It wasn't an accurate representation of them as people I think.

 

[raczilla]

I hear that RAC; maybe a more centralized approach such as "Community SMEs" (Subject Matter Experts) should be organized to serve as a resouce for the Madden Community? ... Just brainstorming here ... -I definitely agree that the community has to have more avenues to help each other out.

Totally agree. I tried to do something like this specifically for leagues a few years back and it worked for a little while but then dropped off. I'd love to see the community get more organized around supporting each other's league pursuits.