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Is Andy Reid The Most Overrated Coach?

Having the 5th best record over a decade and making 5 Conference Championships isn't any indication?

If we were having this discussion in 2005, I would agree.

However, since that time this team has been mediocre more times than not. The only real playoff run they had during that time, in '08, only happened because there were a mind boggling string of unlikely scenarios that went in the Eagles favor just to get into the playoffs at 9-6-1. From 09 until now this team has gotten progressively worse.

So since you are asking me this question in 2012, no, he hasn't given me any indication that he could take this team to a Super Bowl. His philosophy doesn't fit the strengths of this team offensively, and Vick isn't good enough to compensate for that like McNabb did from 2000-2004.
 
Bill Walsh had a great rule that more coaches should follow. Don't stick around for longer then 10 years at one job.

just a cute opion quote. It doesnt mean shit depending on each persons situation.

go ahead and get rid of Andy Reid..then The Eagles wont sniff a playoff game for another decade after that..and then what will the dumb fans say?
 
This thread needs serious bumps after this Ravens game. He's lost out there.

What'd he do this week? I was watching the Patriots.

I did see they had the ball at the 1 yard line at the end, with plenty of time, and proceeded to throw the ball and then run a QB draw out of shotgun. Solid stuff as usual.
 
What'd he do this week? I was watching the Patriots.

I did see they had the ball at the 1 yard line at the end, with plenty of time, and proceeded to throw the ball and then run a QB draw out of shotgun. Solid stuff as usual.

On their last drive the QB draw at the 2 minute mark became the winning play call. Philly doesn't have that big bruiser type of back that can get the tough yardage. Teams knowing they have to deal with Vick or McCoy getting the ball makes it tough to defend. BTW, McCoy had 25 carries against the Ravens. I didn't see anywhere in the game where Reid looked lost. In the beginning the Eagles just kept turning the ball over, but overall the Eagles played better across the board.
 
What'd he do this week? I was watching the Patriots.

I did see they had the ball at the 1 yard line at the end, with plenty of time, and proceeded to throw the ball and then run a QB draw out of shotgun. Solid stuff as usual.

Yeah that fat clueless idiot, his playcall not only scored, but they won.

FUCKING LOST AS A COACH.
 
No, they weren't dude, and it drives me crazy that Parcells is regarded as this mythical football God when if you look at that Dolphins team he ran he fucked up on like every possible level. They were maybe a step above a bottom feeder. He missed on EVERY major roster decision he made, the idiot owner spent 2 years openly trying to replace the coach Parcells left behind, and only through some miracle I dont even understand has Jeff Ireland survived. The only taste of relevance that team had was for the 5 minutes Chad Pennington's arm wasn't fucked up.

The Cowboys never got anywhere under him either. They got a big huge tony romo bad hold and got a "no, really, I ain't goin out like this" visit from Vinny Testaverde. in the case of both Pennington and Vinny they were earlier successes wheeled in to bail him out of current failures. You always heard about Parcells being loyal to his guys. I always took it as "because hes too much of an overrated douchebag to consistently develop new talent".

His Jets tenure, I can't really argue with, that was a roster that had alot of success even years after he was gone because of guys he brought in and developed. And his Giants work IS pretty legendary. But that guy was a fucking fraud collecting a paycheck his last two stops and I think this soapbox you got me on helped me decided who really WAS the most overrated coach ever. Old Parcells by a landslide.

1st, the dolphins went 1-15 before the Tuna brought his people and they brought the wildcat. That team went from a joke to having a shot at taking the afc east from the pats. That's not marginal improvement , that's a turn around.

Also you cannot be serious about this:

The Cowboys never got anywhere under him either.

You realize before Parcells came in and drafted big o-line guys and got barber and got romo that Dallas was becoming a mid-west version of the Raiders in terms of losing right? They hadn't made the playoffs since 1996 ( i think or it might be 95) and teh fact that he got them there after the mess JJ made shows his football acumen.
 
I think Shanahan is a much more overrated coach than Reid. You remove the Elway and Terrell Davis years and he's done a whole lot of jack shit.
 
I think Shanahan is a much more overrated coach than Reid. You remove the Elway and Terrell Davis years and he's done a whole lot of jack shit.

IMO it is hard to make that sort of argument, because any great coach has great players on their roster. Who is Belichick without Brady? Who is Coughlin without Eli? The list goes on. At some point a coach has to be given credit for assembling/coaching the talent they have on their roster. If we've learned anything from New Orleans it is that a great coach makes a massive difference. A SB winning coach has great players around them.
 
Other than the debacle at the half when he mismanaged the clock and left enough time for the Ravens to drive down and kick a FG, I was happy with how he called the game. Even when he was down in the second half, he continued to run the football. We'll see if he continues to play to the strength of his offense.

IMO it is hard to make that sort of argument, because any great coach has great players on their roster. Who is Belichick without Brady? Who is Coughlin without Eli? The list goes on. At some point a coach has to be given credit for assembling/coaching the talent they have on their roster. If we've learned anything from New Orleans it is that a great coach makes a massive difference. A SB winning coach has great players around them.

I don't take anything away from him as far as what he did with Elway and Davis. However, I don't believe it's wrong to question the credibility of a coach at this moment who is highly regarded, but hasn't been to the playoffs since 2005 and has 1 playoff win since he won his last SB in 98.
 
How much can you blame him for the horrible defenses they had, especially 2008?

Not sure where to even begin with this. First off, the years that Jim Johnson was here they had good defenses. Up until this year, it's gotten worse since he passed. As far as the blame he should receive for the defense the last few years, it should be all of it. He's the head coach, he's responsible for hiring these coordinators, and also was responsible for bringing in the players. Just because he's a head coach with an offensive background, doesn't mean hes not responsible for the defense.
 
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IMO it is hard to make that sort of argument, because any great coach has great players on their roster. Who is Belichick without his camera's? Who is Coughlin without Eli? The list goes on. At some point a coach has to be given credit for assembling/coaching the talent they have on their roster. If we've learned anything from New Orleans it is that a great coach makes a massive difference. A SB winning coach has great players around them.

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IMO it is hard to make that sort of argument, because any great coach has great players on their roster. Who is Belichick without Brady? Who is Coughlin without Eli? The list goes on. At some point a coach has to be given credit for assembling/coaching the talent they have on their roster. If we've learned anything from New Orleans it is that a great coach makes a massive difference. A SB winning coach has great players around them.


Well as far Shannarat goes, he had talent after Davis and Elway, he just didn't get any help on defense. Since he was gm and head coach I think blaming him for sucking without Elway is fair... IMHO
 
Well as far Shannarat goes, he had talent after Davis and Elway, he just didn't get any help on defense. Since he was gm and head coach I think blaming him for sucking without Elway is fair... IMHO

He won 12 games and made Brian Griese into a Pro Bowler.

He got fucked over by Darrent Williams getting killed and could never find a corner to pair with Bailey. He tried a bunch of guys but it just never worked out. Doesn't change the fact that he HAD a guy that he drafted and through no fault of his own lost him.

Andy Reid hasn't won anything. Shanny has two rings and Elway didn't win anything without him in four prior trips.

He drafted TD and brought in McCaffery and Rod Smith for Elway to pass to.

He made no-name offensive lineman into every down lineman for the best rushing attack in the league.

Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary and Tatum Bell.... 1,000 yard backs in Denver, nobodies anywhere else.

He got Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis and even got the Skins to throw in a second rounder.

I can't blame the guy for not having a QB to compete with the likes of Manning and Brady in the AFC when he never had a shot at a Rivers or Big Ben in the draft and when he did have Jay Cutler seemed to have him on the right track to becoming a better QB.

Denver is a lot better over the past few years with Mike Shanahan as their head coach. The day we fired him was both shocking and sad.
 
Not sure where to even begin with this. First off, the years that Jim Johnson was here they had good defenses. Up until this year, it's gotten worse since he passed. As far as the blame he should receive for the defense the last few years, it should be all of it. He's the head coach, he's responsible for hiring these coordinators, and also was responsible for bringing in the players. Just because he's a head coach with an offensive background, doesn't mean hes not responsible for the defense.

I'm sorry I meant Mike Shanahan when I wrote that. My bad.
 
Not sure where to even begin with this. First off, the years that Jim Johnson was here they had good defenses. Up until this year, it's gotten worse since he passed. As far as the blame he should receive for the defense the last few years, it should be all of it. He's the head coach, he's responsible for hiring these coordinators, and also was responsible for bringing in the players. Just because he's a head coach with an offensive background, doesn't mean hes not responsible for the defense.

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