It doesn’t pay to play Division I ball

[Bear Pand]

The tradeoff is made clear to these athletes. You play for us, we won't charge you to come here. Whether the athlete values the education or not is irrelevent. If they don't think this tradeoff is fair, well, you know my answer to that. They have a bevy of options.

No they don't.

I mean they do have a ton of options, but not many that are actually viable. If you want to go to the next level college is your best choice. The NFL/NBA basically use it as a minor league.

What % of NFL players got there using one of those other options?

The draw is the atmosphere, the school pride, etc, not the idea you are seeing future NFL players. That's why its an indirect contribution, because yes, while the athletes are the ones playing, the names on the jerseys are largely irrelevent. If we stopped letting people like Dwayne Wade prostitute the process, someone else would be the star, the Wade's don't matter as much as you think, so I believe that argument is flawed.

Bullshit. If this were the case schools wouldn't be running around with 7 figure recruiting budgets trying to pull in top players.

 

[Senser81]

No they don't.

I mean they do have a ton of options, but not many that are actually viable. If you want to go to the next level college is your best choice. The NFL/NBA basically use it as a minor league.

What % of NFL players got there using one of those other options?

Go to a small school and play football. That way you are still playing football but you aren't being "abused" by the U of Miami's and Ohio State's, who are profiting off your name. Be like Brian Westbrook and play football at Villanova, whose program loses about a million dollars a year playing football.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

No they don't.

I mean they do have a ton of options, but not many that are actually viable. If you want to go to the next level college is your best choice. The NFL/NBA basically use it as a minor league.

What % of NFL players got there using one of those other options?

Again, why do we keep focusing on the needs of a tiny percentage of college athletes? Why should we cater the system to pro bound athletes when they make up less than 1% of the pool?

Bullshit. If this were the case schools wouldn't be running around with 7 figure recruiting budgets trying to pull in top players.

Its not bullshit. Quality of play and the names on the jerseys are largely irrelevent in college sports. The proof is basketball, where thanks to 'one and dones', no seniors, and ten years of highschoolers headed directly to the NBA, the quality of play and the quality of the players gets worse and worse by the year. Yet March Madness continues to grow and get bigger each year.

If college football ceased being an NFL factory, nobody would care.

 

[Villain]

I was thinking about players getting paid to play sports for Universities and I thought up this analogy:

If you play for your company's softball team, should you get paid extra? What if your games were so popular that your company sold snacks and charged for entry tickets to see the games (like in High School). For the sake of argument, let's say the games bring in a profit of about $1200.

 

[Fox1994]

I was thinking about players getting paid to play sports for Universities and I thought up this analogy:

If you play for your company's softball team, should you get paid extra? What if your games were so popular that your company sold snacks and charged for entry tickets to see the games (like in High School). For the sake of argument, let's say the games bring in a profit of about $1200.

I don't think an analogy is going to make this argument any clearer.

 

[Bear Pand]

Again, why do we keep focusing on the needs of a tiny percentage of college athletes? Why should we cater the system to pro bound athletes when they make up less than 1% of the pool?

Not saying we should cater the entire system to them. But the system is clearly failing these players, it's not a fair deal for them and something needs to be done about it. I'm not sure what exactly should be done or how to go about it. All I know is it's an old and flawed system. It's there because thats the way it's always been done and it's so entrenched, not because it's fair.

I mean you think it's right that auburn pulled in 9 figures last season and a healthy profit after football expenses...yet all Cam Newton got was 1 year of school fees? It's no surprise dude was trying to get paid under the table.

Its not bullshit. Quality of play and the names on the jerseys are largely irrelevent in college sports. The proof is basketball, where thanks to 'one and dones', no seniors, and ten years of highschoolers headed directly to the NBA, the quality of play and the quality of the players gets worse and worse by the year. Yet March Madness continues to grow and get bigger each year.

If college football ceased being an NFL factory, nobody would care.

If a legit minor league was developed and took away all/most of the players with a chance at a pro career it'd absolutely have a negative impact on how much money these schools make.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If a legit minor league was developed and took away all/most of the players with a chance at a pro career it'd absolutely have a negative impact on how much money these schools make.

We will have to disagree on this.

Our society doesn't give a single fuck about anything 'minor league'. College sports would not lose a single bit of popularity imo, and nobody would care about the developmental pro leagues.

The NBA already has the D-league, but realistically the best players would be able to go directly to the NBA anyway. The NFL has had minor league feeders before (World League, NFL Europe) and they always go bankrupt and fail. Adding what are now the top college players wouldnt change that, because only hardcore recruiting geeks know who these players are or give a shit. So basically we are arguing about something that is never realistically going to happen, unfortunately.

 

[Bear Pand]

No I agree.

Which means div 1 cfb/cbb will continue being the best option for 18 y/os that want to make it to the NFL/NBA. Which means these schools will continue collecting millions off of top talent while "paying" them with an education they aren't even there for.

Something needs to be done about it.