Josh Freeman vs. Mark Sanchez

[Tailback U]

lol that happened fast but I could see Brunnell saying, "Did you just wipe your..." and then the angle moved.

 

[BigBucs]

Sanchez gets a bad rep from most people on here because of the NY bias making him seem better than he is, and I don't really like the guy either, but besides the Colts game he played great during the playoffs. No one should make him out to be the scapegoat.

He's not a top 10 QB by any means yet, but if he can continue and build from this, he'll find himself in that category very soon.

That 1st half was awful, the second half he was better. But he will still be nothign more than an average QB in the league. Drafted far to high. He was put into the best situation possible and still manages to look ok at best. You play enough games in that offense you will look good every once in a while but for him to put up the shitty numbers he did this year is terrible.

He's held composure throughout most of the playoffs while playing on the road in all three games. For being a "bum" he plays pretty good on the road.

Relatively speaking.

BB smoking that good piff.

Sanchez put this team back in the game. He was brilliant and has continued to play his best when the first stupid 15 playcalls are done. He's being held back by schottenheimer. There was one play where Rex is like hurry up, Sanchez is like hurry up and you have the assistant next to BS shouting and you see BS fumbling with his play chart. Ugh.

There's just no rhythm to his calls. And we don't take advantage of the offensive talent we had this year.

This kid has IT. After that fumble, he got right back in there and kicked ass. You can have mr regular season Freeman, or 4 game a season stafford, I'm taking the Sanchize.

Yo you smoking that shit if you think that he has "it". Freeman to Sanchez is no comparison and this isnt any homer talk right here man this is being as serious as I can be. Freeman has done so much more with far less. Dont act is if Sanchez was the reason you all won those games. It was all defense and a run game while Sanchez managed not to throw it away. Bradford will surpass him next season if not already.

Freeman wins games on his own. His chances at the playoffs will come soon, very soon. Our team as a whole isnt anywhere near the Jets but Freeman is hands down a better QB than Mark Sanchez. If you cant see that then you are either blind, dumb or a dumb/blind Jets Fan. Half our team is rookies and second years players. If Sanchez was our QB you fuckers wouldnt have heard anything from me this season. It would have been another sub .500 year and we would probably be in the market for a new head coach.

 

[Tengo Juego]

Ive said the guy was a bum when he was drafted but Im tired of all this Sanchez ass kissing. Guy is average at best. He will never be an elite NFL QB. Dude is completely shitting the bed. Some of these throws are atrocious.

Quite ironic. Add another Josh Freeman image to your sig.

 

[kmanharris]

If you don't think Sanchez is good then why the fuck did you wait until AFTER his team got bounced from the AFC Championship game to make a call out thread? Would your opinion of him changed if they had won? (My guess is it wouldn't). He played the fucking best defense in the NFL last night, of course he isn't going to look all world. Now I don't think he is an elite QB but winning 4 playoff games on the road is impressive. As is beating the Patriots AND Colts on the road in one year.

Freeman wins games on his own. His chances at the playoffs will come soon, very soon. Our team as a whole isnt anywhere near the Jets but Freeman is hands down a better QB than Mark Sanchez. If you cant see that then you are either blind, dumb or a dumb/blind Jets Fan. Half our team is rookies and second years players. If Sanchez was our QB you fuckers wouldnt have heard anything from me this season. It would have been another sub .500 year and we would probably be in the market for a new head coach.

Freeman didn't even go over 300 yards ONE TIME this season. He had seven games where he threw for LESS THAN 200 yards. That doesn't exactly scream elite QB to me. He is as much of a game manager as Sanchez is.

 

[shag773]

I think this thread would have been warranted many times this season, but not after the game he had last night. While I don't see Sanchez as a top 10 QB, I think he has enough to build on from his performance the last 6-7 weeks to make a push into that group next year. He showed me a lot last night, and I am far from a "Sanchez" supporter.

 

[Senser81]

Sanchez's performance on the road in the postseason against the NFL's #1 defense is equivalent to Josh Freeman's performance at home in the regular season against the Carolina Panthers.

I think Sanchez is often times more lucky than good, but Freeman isn't even in the same conversation. Compare Freeman to Matt Cassell and David Garrard (and Jay Cutler).

 

[BigBucs]

If you don't think Sanchez is good then why the fuck did you wait until AFTER his team got bounced from the AFC Championship game to make a call out thread? Would your opinion of him changed if they had won? (My guess is it wouldn't). He played the fucking best defense in the NFL last night, of course he isn't going to look all world. Now I don't think he is an elite QB but winning 4 playoff games on the road is impressive. As is beating the Patriots AND Colts on the road in one year.



Freeman didn't even go over 300 yards ONE TIME this season. He had seven games where he threw for LESS THAN 200 yards. That doesn't exactly scream elite QB to me. He is as much of a game manager as Sanchez is.

Speak on what you know. Ive said he was overrated since he was drafted and the "callout" thread was made during the 1st half for what its worth.

As for Freeman not throwing for over 300, big deal. He was the reason we won 10 games. His overall body of work trumps passing for 300 yards a few times during the season. Around 3500 yards, 26 TDs, 6 picks and a 96 QB rating is far, far better than what Sanchez did considering what he has. Game manager? Stick to crying about the Cowboys. The Bucs win because of, not in spite of Freeman.

Cant believe anyone would even try argue this. Lets act like football isnt a team sport and Sanchez was the reason they are in the position he was in. If Free's numbers dont scream elite WTF does 3200 yards, 17 TD's, 13 picks and a QB rating of 75 "scream" for a QB as protected as he is? The numbers dont lie.

Sanchez's performance on the road in the postseason against the NFL's #1 defense is equivalent to Josh Freeman's performance at home in the regular season against the Carolina Panthers.

I think Sanchez is often times more lucky than good, but Freeman isn't even in the same conversation. Compare Freeman to Matt Cassell and David Garrard (and Jay Cutler).

Spoken like someone who has 0 idea what the fuck he is talking about. You obviously havent seen Freeman play or simply doesnt care to. So many haters, for what? Because BB is a homer?

 

[Goober]

Speak on what you know. Ive said he was overrated since he was drafted and the "callout" thread was made during the 1st half for what its worth.

As for Freeman not throwing for over 300, big deal. He was the reason we won 10 games. His overall body of work trumps passing for 300 yards a few times during the season. Around 3500 yards, 26 TDs, 6 picks and a 96 QB rating is far, far better than what Sanchez did considering what he has. Game manager? Stick to crying about the Cowboys. The Bucs win because of, not in spite of Freeman.

Cant believe anyone would even try argue this. Lets act like football isnt a team sport and Sanchez was the reason they are in the position he was in. If Free's numbers dont scream elite WTF does 3200 yards, 17 TD's, 13 picks and a QB rating of 75 "scream" for a QB as protected as he is? The numbers dont lie.


Spoken like someone who has 0 idea what the fuck he is talking about. You obviously havent seen Freeman play or simply doesnt care to. So many haters, for what? Because BB is a homer?

You're an idiot.

Mark Sanchez had a QB rating over 100 against the NFL's best defense and AFC champion.

Against what teams did Josh Freeman have a good game? @ Carolina, @ Arizona, Carolina, @ San Francisco, @ Washington, Seattle, @ New Orleans. I didn't watch the New Orleans game but it was week 17, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were resting players, and we saw how good their defense was the next week. The rest of those teams suck ass, especially their defenses.

Freeman's numbers are all smoke and mirrors, he sucked ass against every good team he played.

 

[BigBucs]

You're an idiot.

Mark Sanchez had a QB rating over 100 against the NFL's best defense and AFC champion.

Against what teams did Josh Freeman have a good game? @ Carolina, @ Arizona, Carolina, @ San Francisco, @ Washington, Seattle, @ New Orleans. I didn't watch the New Orleans game but it was week 17, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were resting players, and we saw how good their defense was the next week. The rest of those teams suck ass, especially their defenses.

Freeman's numbers are all smoke and mirrors, he sucked ass against every good team he played.

Body of work > 1 game. Sanchez is pedestrian. Again, considering all his weapons, he should look a lot better than he does.

You call me an idiot (really?....GoblinSlayer??) but go onto to say Freeman's numbers are all smoke and mirrors and running off our schedule as if they arent NFL teams. Ive heard this shit all year. He hasnt sucked in any game this season. Not even in blowout losses to the Saints or Steelers. He is a second year QB that played behind a line playing musical chairs all season, with nothing but rookies and 2nd year players at WR along with a rookie starting at RB. It really is comical how everyone here is trying to paint me out to be the dickhead.

Sanchez not fucking with Freeman period. You put him in that situation he would fold no matter the schedule.

 

[Aso]

I'll agree with BB here, Freeman > Sanchez. Never really got the Sanchez love.

 

[Mogriffjr]

Sanchez did pretty well despite him having Brian Schottenheimer as his OC...wonder why the Jets offense does infinitely better in the 2nd half of games rather than the 1st half? It's because this bastard's first 15 plays blow dick.

 

[kmanharris]

Speak on what you know. Ive said he was overrated since he was drafted and the "callout" thread was made during the 1st half for what its worth.

As for Freeman not throwing for over 300, big deal. He was the reason we won 10 games. His overall body of work trumps passing for 300 yards a few times during the season. Around 3500 yards, 26 TDs, 6 picks and a 96 QB rating is far, far better than what Sanchez did considering what he has. Game manager? Stick to crying about the Cowboys. The Bucs win because of, not in spite of Freeman.

Cant believe anyone would even try argue this. Lets act like football isnt a team sport and Sanchez was the reason they are in the position he was in. If Free's numbers dont scream elite WTF does 3200 yards, 17 TD's, 13 picks and a QB rating of 75 "scream" for a QB as protected as he is? The numbers dont lie.

Your entire post contradicts itself, it is kind of sad really. How is it a team game for the Jets but for the Bucs it is all because of Freeman? How do the numbers not lie but Freeman's are godly when compared to Sanchez's?

You have to take off your homer goggles because you just keep becoming more and more retarded. When did I EVER say Sanchez was elite? In fact if you read my previous post you would have seen that I said he wasn't elite yet.

Body of work > 1 game. Sanchez is pedestrian. Again, considering all his weapons, he should look a lot better than he does.

You call me an idiot (really?....GoblinSlayer??) but go onto to say Freeman's numbers are all smoke and mirrors and running off our schedule as if they arent NFL teams. Ive heard this shit all year. He hasnt sucked in any game this season. Not even in blowout losses to the Saints or Steelers. He is a second year QB that played behind a line playing musical chairs all season, with nothing but rookies and 2nd year players at WR along with a rookie starting at RB. It really is comical how everyone here is trying to paint me out to be the dickhead.

Sanchez not fucking with Freeman period. You put him in that situation he would fold no matter the schedule.

Now you are judging how good Freeman is on the fact that he "didn't suck" in any game this season? Are you kidding me?

L vs Pitt. Freeman was 20/31 for 184 yards and 1 INT.
L vs Atlanta. Freeman was 11/22 for 189 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
L vs Atlanta. Freeman was 19/38 for 181 yards 1 TD, 1 INT
L vs NO. Freeman was 25/43 for 219 yards and 1 TD
W vs Cleveland. Freeman was 17/29 for 182 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
W vs Carolina. Freeman was 12/24 for 178 yards, 2 TD
L vs Baltimore. Freeman was 17/37 for 162 yards, 1 TD
W vs San Fran. Freeman was 12/20 for 136 yards, 2 TD

That's not sucking? You ACTUALLY consider that playing well? Are you fucking kidding me? Freeman is as average as they come.

There you go playing the hypothetical game again. You don't know what the fuck would happen if the roles were reversed. Obviously you say Freeman is better because his cock is balls deep in your throat. He isn't on Sanchez's level. I have NEVER seen someone being hyped up so much for one of the most average season's ever. And on top of that you are trying to compare him to a guy who has won 4 road playoff games in his first 2 seasons in the NFL?

Sanchez's playoff stats:
2009-2010: 41/68, 539 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT
2010-2011: 54/89, 616 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT

6 road playoff games, 1,115 yards, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 4 wins. Give me that over Freeman's one average season any day of the week.

 

[BigBucs]

Sanchez did pretty well despite him having Brian Schottenheimer as his OC...wonder why the Jets offense does infinitely better in the 2nd half of games rather than the 1st half? It's because this bastard's first 15 plays blow dick.

Cry some more. If it aint one thing its another. It isnt enough to have 1st round talent at every position on offense surrounding him, u want to cr about your OC as if Bucs fans didnt have some WTF moments in regards to Greg Olson this year.

Anyways, Bucs were nothing but a second half team all season. Check the box scores. But while we were having a time getting the offense rolling Freeman didnt go out there and throw a pick or 2 and put us is a hole.

 

[guchi45]

Sanchez, is crap. But he is also good late.

 

[BigBucs]

Your entire post contradicts itself, it is kind of sad really. How is it a team game for the Jets but for the Bucs it is all because of Freeman? How do the numbers not lie but Freeman's are godly when compared to Sanchez's?

You have to take off your homer goggles because you just keep becoming more and more retarded. When did I EVER say Sanchez was elite? In fact if you read my previous post you would have seen that I said he wasn't elite yet.




Now you are judging how good Freeman is on the fact that he "didn't suck" in any game this season? Are you kidding me?

L vs Pitt. Freeman was 20/31 for 184 yards and 1 INT.
L vs Atlanta. Freeman was 11/22 for 189 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
L vs Atlanta. Freeman was 19/38 for 181 yards 1 TD, 1 INT
L vs NO. Freeman was 25/43 for 219 yards and 1 TD
W vs Cleveland. Freeman was 17/29 for 182 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
W vs Carolina. Freeman was 12/24 for 178 yards, 2 TD
L vs Baltimore. Freeman was 17/37 for 162 yards, 1 TD
W vs San Fran. Freeman was 12/20 for 136 yards, 2 TD

That's not sucking? You ACTUALLY consider that playing well? Are you fucking kidding me? Freeman is as average as they come.

There you go playing the hypothetical game again. You don't know what the fuck would happen if the roles were reversed. Obviously you say Freeman is better because his cock is balls deep in your throat. He isn't on Sanchez's level. I have NEVER seen someone being hyped up so much for one of the most average season's ever. And on top of that you are trying to compare him to a guy who has won 4 road playoff games in his first 2 seasons in the NFL?

Sanchez's playoff stats:
2009-2010: 41/68, 539 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT
2010-2011: 54/89, 616 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT

6 road playoff games, 1,115 yards, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 4 wins. Give me that over Freeman's one average season any day of the week.

Contradiction? Are you really that stupid? Lets just bold what we want to and use it out of context. Is it not clear that a team like the Colts win because of Manning and not in spite of? Not saying Freeman is Manning but it is the same situation. The Bucs went as far as Freeman took them. Can you really sit here and say the same shit about Sanchez? Had we went into the season with an average ass QB like him my head coach is looking for a job right now. Freeman is a franchise QB while Sanchez will only be as good as the weapons around him.

You can post all the stats you want until you are blue in the face. You obviously havent watched him play. If I talk shit about a Cowboys player its because Ive seen about 13 or 14 of your games this season. If I talk shit about Sanchez its because I see him every other week not because I can go on NFL.com and act as if I know WTF I am talking about because I can pull up some stats. Ask anyone who is a fan of the opposite team how Freeman looked in those games.

His game dont lie and his pedestrian ass stats dont lie. How anyone can call a 10 win season BECAUSE of a 2nd year QB along with the numbers he put up average is beyond me. This dude who's ass you kissing, with all these weapons around him managed to be the 27th best QB in the league according to his QB rating. Freeman was 6th. What the fuck are you really talking about?

 

[NAHSTE]

Who said anything about Freeman?

Um, you did.

Never seen such a protected QB get so much credit while the true Franchise QB out of that draft gets minimal praise. :shifty:

Now STFU, faggot homer faggot.

 

[BigBucs]

And while you hatings ass know it alls who really dont know shit keep posting your bullshit opinions, sip on this a little. :dealwithit: While that playoff shit is all good an well, you see a nuetral party who doesnt formulate his opinion based on (ironically) the shit that ESPN feeds him.

NFC South MVP: Josh Freeman

Josh Freeman threw for 3,451 yards this season, with 25 touchdown passes and six interceptions.​

Let's not even bother with the setup. Let's just open the envelope and read what's inside.

The NFC South Most Valuable Player for the 2010 season is ... Josh Freeman.

Go ahead, start yelling and screaming in New Orleans and Atlanta. Throw eggs or whatever, but just be aware that I've got the alarm system on and since Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Harvey Dahl and Justin Blalock are worried about the possibility of a lockout, I've hired them as guards.

Yep, I picked Freeman over Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. I picked him over Michael Turner and Roddy White too.

Let's be real clear: I'm not saying Freeman is a better quarterback than Brees, who is going to the Hall of Fame someday. I'm not even saying Freeman's better than Ryan, who has had three very nice years. I'm not even saying Freeman had a better season than Brees and Ryan or even Turner and White.

Go back and read the second paragraph and circle the word valuable. That's really the crux of all this. There are lots of ways you can give out MVP awards. But if you put the emphasis solely on the value a player had to his team, Freeman wins in a landslide.

That thought hit me Sunday morning on a plane from Atlanta to Tampa. I'd given some thought to Turner and White, but was pretty much ready to flip a coin to decide between Brees and Ryan. They both had nice regular seasons and they both got bounced in their first playoff games.

In other words, Brees and Ryan did exactly what was expected of them in the regular season, and I don't mean to sell that short as an accomplishment because the bar was set sky high for both of them. But did either of them really do anything special? Anything that was beyond expectations?

When I thought about it in those terms, that's when Freeman's name hit me and this decision was made.

"I think the most important thing is, in just about every game this season, Josh at least had us in a position to win the game,'' Tampa Bay general manager Mark Dominik said. "With a young team, that was hugely important, and he allowed us to accelerate our process. That made him incredibly valuable to us.''

I'll take it a little further than Dominik and say Freeman meant everything to the Buccaneers. He carried that team all season. For those who weren't paying attention, like the 30,000 who weren't showing up for games at Raymond James Stadium or the millions who couldn't watch Tampa Bay's games because they were blacked out on local television, the Bucs went from being 3-13 and a national embarrassment in 2009 to a 10-6 team that barely missed the playoffs.

Nobody expected anything close to that. And nobody expected anything like that from a quarterback who didn't celebrate his 23rd birthday until after the season was over, and who created an instant army of critics when Dominik made the then-ridiculous move of trading a sixth-round pick to move up and draft Freeman in 2009.

Everything Dominik and coach Raheem Morris did in 2009 seemed ridiculous. They signed Derrick Ward, fired both coordinators by midseason and lost a lot of games. But it turned out they did one thing right.

They drafted Freeman and, in his first season as a full-time starter, he made a lot of other things look right. He threw for 3,451 yards, 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. His touchdown-to-interception ratio was one of the 10 best in history, and he also used his legs to win games.

More than anything, Freeman used his back to carry the Buccaneers. Tampa Bay had the league's lowest payroll and had the youngest roster in the league and, if you really look at that roster, it wasn't all that good. Yes, some bright spots (running back LeGarrette Blount and receiver Mike Williams) emerged, but part of the reason they emerged was because they were playing with Freeman.

The Bucs had so many injuries on the offensive line that, by the end of the season, they were starting Ted Larsen, Jeremy Zuttah and Derek Hardman at the three interior positions. If you're not a close relative and had heard of any of those three before they were starting, it might be time to develop some other hobbies.

With all the changes around him, Freeman was the one constant. Other than his six interceptions, his stats didn't compare favorably to the numbers Brees and Ryan put up.

But let's do a little exercise here. Picture the Saints without Brees for a season. Put Chase Daniel in with all those weapons and Sean Payton calling the plays and the Saints still win a fair amount of games. Picture the Falcons with Chris Redman in for Ryan. It's the same thing. The Saints and the Falcons would at least be competitive without Brees and Ryan.

Now, picture the 2010 Buccaneers without Freeman. I say they would have been 0-16. If you disagree, go out to training camp this summer and watch a few plays with backups Josh Johnson and Rudy Carpenter under center. :dealwithit:

That's why Freeman did more for his team than any NFC South player in 2010.

"The thing is people forget that he was only 22 this season,'' Dominik said. "He took big steps this year and that helped our whole team take some big steps. He's only going to get better in the future, and that's only going to help everyone around him get better in the future.''

Remember, all I'm saying is Freeman was more valuable to his team this year than anyone else. If what Dominik said about the progression of Freeman and the Bucs comes true in the future, then I might be back here with an update. I might end up writing that Freeman is a better quarterback than Brees and Ryan.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/17959/nfc-south-mvp-josh-freeman

Um, you did.





Now STFU, faggot homer faggot.

Cant take a joke much? Stay mad faggot.

 

[Atlas]

Look, I hate BB as much as anyone, but if I had to choose b/t Freeman and Sanchez as my Franchise QB, I'd choose Freeman every time... You stat whore keep mentioning, well, stats, but you fail to bring into account that Sanchez has a MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH better supporting cast to work with, as the Jets are better at almost every position (IMO, they are better at every position, except QB)... Freeman and the Bucs had the youngest team in the NFL, and really did overachieve given what they and he had to work with... More so, Sanchez accrued the majority of his stats after the Steelers called off the dogs and went into prevent mode... Color me unimpressed...

 

[kmanharris]

Contradiction? Are you really that stupid? Lets just bold what we want to and use it out of context. Is it not clear that a team like the Colts win because of Manning and not in spite of? Not saying Freeman is Manning but it is the same situation. The Bucs went as far as Freeman took them. Can you really sit here and say the same shit about Sanchez? Had we went into the season with an average ass QB like him my head coach is looking for a job right now. Freeman is a franchise QB while Sanchez will only be as good as the weapons around him.

You can post all the stats you want until you are blue in the face. You obviously havent watched him play. If I talk shit about a Cowboys player its because Ive seen about 13 or 14 of your games this season. If I talk shit about Sanchez its because I see him every other week not because I can go on NFL.com and act as if I know WTF I am talking about because I can pull up some stats. Ask anyone who is a fan of the opposite team how Freeman looked in those games.

His game dont lie and his pedestrian ass stats dont lie. How anyone can call a 10 win season BECAUSE of a 2nd year QB along with the numbers he put up average is beyond me. This dude who's ass you kissing, with all these weapons around him managed to be the 27th best QB in the league according to his QB rating. Freeman was 6th. What the fuck are you really talking about?

What from his one AVERAGE season has made him a franchise QB?

You said in your previous post that stats don't lie. So I post stats and now its, "you can post all the stats you want but you obviously haven't watched him play." So what one is it? Do stats not lie or do you just base how good a QB is on how you feel about him?

Then after telling me that I can post all the stats you want and how they don't really matter because I haven't watched him play you go onto say in the NEXT PARAGRAPH that Sanchez's pedestrian stats don't lie. Can your dumbass make up your mind or will you just keep flip flopping in every other paragraph?

And then you go on further to use QB FUCKING RATING as the only meaningful statistic? Really? Just admit that you would take Freeman because he is already on your team and you have a man crush on him. Freeman was nowhere near special last season but don't look at the stats (or should I now? I forgot which argument we are using).

 

[NAHSTE]

Hilarious.