Kurt Warner is playing out of his mind right now.

[Buzzman]

Kurt Warner hving a lot of 300 yard games also comes from him being oin teams that pass A LOT, Arizona throws the ball so many times as did St Lious

 

[ram29jackson]

Kurt Warner hving a lot of 300 yard games also comes from him being oin teams that pass A LOT, Arizona throws the ball so many times as did St Lious

water is wet.....

 

[bringbackjimmy]

Reason #1 I hate NFL fans. They give no credit when credit is due. Funny how Manning was the best QB in the NFL when he had two hall of fame WR's and a great running game behind him, yet Warner has the same pieces and he gets none of the praise.

Here's the point:

Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner make their receivers and offensive line pro bowl caliber. It's not a coincidence Matt Leinart wasn't able to do anything in his two games of playing against average teams. Nuk posted that stat about Fitzgerald never having a 100 yard game without Warner; Warner comes back and Fitzy balls out.

again why bring up Leinart into the mix...I am sure if you put Jamarcus, Ryan Leaf, Billy Joe Tolliver and they would still suck ass. Manning can put up numbers without Harrison.. Warner was average with the giants great with the cards/rams coinicedence?

Warner is a Hall of Fame QB and he should get MVP votes, but if he was in a Offense with a Average talent in his career we wouldn't be talking... people will groan this post, but thats ok.. I have always said that Warner deserves credit and he put himself in the best places he could succeed...

 

[Nukleopatra]

Kurt Warner hving a lot of 300 yard games also comes from him being oin teams that pass A LOT, Arizona throws the ball so many times as did St Lious

Peyton Manning leads the league in pass attempts, but he's like 600 yards, and 2 TDs ahead of Kurt Warner. Is Peyton Manning only good, because he ended up in the perfect situation, because Indy passes a lot? Or does that only count against Kurt Warner? I mean, hell, who wouldn't want to play for two of the worst organizations in NFL history (Rams/Cardinals?) I think Indy/Arizona pass a lot, because they know they can. I think those ''perfect situations'' are only perfect, because they have the perfect quarterbacks running the show.

Vinny Testaverde lead the league in pass attempts back in 2000, and we all know what a fucking stud he is. Unfortunately for the Jets, it didn't work out very well.... with the 25 interceptions and all.

It's not the pass attempts that make the quarterback, buddy.

 

[kbpsu]

again why bring up Leinart into the mix...I am sure if you put Jamarcus, Ryan Leaf, Billy Joe Tolliver and they would still suck ass. Manning can put up numbers without Harrison.. Warner was average with the giants great with the cards/rams coinicedence?

Warner is a Hall of Fame QB and he should get MVP votes, but if he was in a Offense with a Average talent in his career we wouldn't be talking... people will groan this post, but thats ok.. I have always said that Warner deserves credit and he put himself in the best places he could succeed...

Warner was brought in to be a mentor for Eli. He was not expected to play the entire year (or maybe any of the year). As a matter of fact, they were 5-4 during his starts and 1-6 during Eli's. I know that is not a great record but it should be taken into consideration. Plus, take a look at the key players on the Giants that year: Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer, Ron Dayne, Jeremy Shockey. Granted, these players are not bad players, but when you are playing in such a competitive division, they are not going to get it done. Also, Warner was only on the Giants for 1 year. The Rams/Cardinals he was on multiple years, which makes a difference.

When Warner makes his move to the NFC West (St. Louis and Arizona) against lesser competition, you can see the damage that has been done.

Basically, you cannot factor Warner's stint with the Giants into the conversation about him being a top QB.

 

[Len B]

This just in... team's with elite QB's pass a lot.

Shocking, I know.

 

[MrBill]

This just in... team's with elite QB's pass a lot.

Shocking, I know.

So if I am following your logic correctly....that would mean teams with elite RB's run a lot?

 

[bringbackjimmy]

Warner was brought in to be a mentor for Eli. He was not expected to play the entire year (or maybe any of the year). As a matter of fact, they were 5-4 during his starts and 1-6 during Eli's. I know that is not a great record but it should be taken into consideration. Plus, take a look at the key players on the Giants that year: Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer, Ron Dayne, Jeremy Shockey. Granted, these players are not bad players, but when you are playing in such a competitive division, they are not going to get it done. Also, Warner was only on the Giants for 1 year. The Rams/Cardinals he was on multiple years, which makes a difference.

When Warner makes his move to the NFC West (St. Louis and Arizona) against lesser competition, you can see the damage that has been done.

Basically, you cannot factor Warner's stint with the Giants into the conversation about him being a top QB.

I would like to see Warner play with lesser talent before i move him up on my all-time list... I give warner credit for picking his spots and I highly doubt warner goes to NY if he thinks hes going to be a 9 game starter. I don't think you can dismiss his stats with NY as i believe thats the QB Warner is. He was good with NY, but not great.

 

[ram29jackson]

I would like to see Warner play with lesser talent before i move him up on my all-time list... ))))




Dude ,with all due respect( this is all just sports talk for fun)

that is the lamest most illogical , perception is reality, I think therefore I am , pointless statement i've seen tonight ; )



seriously? come on, none of the so called greats would ever be greats if they didnt have 10 other offensive players plus 11 other defensive players and a decent gameplan to help make them look good.

example- it is considered common knowledge by those who played with him and those who watched him that Archie Manning was a damn good/great, quality QB for as long as he played. But the fact is he was never in a situation that helped him thrive. You are competing with and against other individuals. You cant be great all the time. But good/damn good players in better situations-teams- are the only ones with the opportunity to look better than they may be or than the others around them.

Kurt Warner is Damn good and has been such for the majority of his NFL career.

 

[Liquidrob]

Warner is the man, thats why I like Drew Brees, he is like Warner but with talent

I dont think Kurt is going to have a good game next week, the way Brenda was moving Sunday night Kurt might be worn out by Sunday

 

[Nukleopatra]

I know some motherfucker did not just bring up Archie Manning in this thread.

 

[SHOGUN]

I know some motherfucker did not just bring up Archie Manning in this thread.

 

[ram29jackson]

I know some motherfucker did not just bring up Archie Manning in this thread.

If you dont like it and obviously cant understand it , tough crap. Its a valid historical truth. And its amazing I got banned for 2 days when I dont get into this form of immature name calling.

oh, by the way, hey ,sites back on! How you guys doing ? Merry Christmas! You too Nukleo ! :drunk:

 

[Archer]

If you dont like it and obviously cant understand it , tough crap. Its a valid historical truth. And its amazing I got banned for 2 days when I dont get into this form of immature name calling.

oh, by the way, hey ,sites back on! How you guys doing ? Merry Christmas! You too Nukleo ! :drunk:

The site was down for 2days

We are having to change hosts

 

[Nukleopatra]

Yeah. I don't understand why Archie Manning's name was even brought up in a Kurt Warner thread.

Archie Manning was a talentless hack, who wasn't good enough to help a below average franchise succeed. Kurt Warner IS talented, and HAS helped TWO of the worst franchises in NFL history succeed.

Looking at Archie's win/loss record, his completion %, and his TDs/INTs, it's no wonder that team wasn't any good.... and it's no wonder why he continues to live through his children.

They actually have talent.

 

[ram29jackson]

Yeah. I don't understand why Archie Manning's name was even brought up in a Kurt Warner thread.

Archie Manning was a talentless hack, who wasn't good enough to help a below average franchise succeed. Kurt Warner IS talented, and HAS helped TWO of the worst franchises in NFL history succeed.

Looking at Archie's win/loss record, his completion %, and his TDs/INTs, it's no wonder that team wasn't any good.... and it's no wonder why he continues to live through his children.

They actually have talent.

you mean you really dont have the critical thinking skills to understand the point I so plainly made ? Warner didnt turn the teams he was on into winners. He is a quality QB on teams that made an effort to be good teams on the whole. he didnt carry the Rams or Cards. No QB carries any team.

Archie Manning was just as good as any QB of his day but never was on a team that made an effort to be better. Just looking at his stats tells you nothing. Again, it is / was known league wide that he was considered a damn good QB. To say otherwise means you dont trully know your sports history.
You must be younger than I would think...?

 

[Nukleopatra]

Archie Manning was just as good as any QB of his day...?

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This is a Kurt Warner thread, you fucking moron. If you want a thread where Archie Manning is the main topic, go make one. I'm actually curious how many people will post. And yes, Kurt Warner carried BOTH teams.

 

[ram29jackson]

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This is a Kurt Warner thread, you fucking moron. If you want a thread where Archie Manning is the main topic, go make one. I'm actually curious how many people will post. And yes, Kurt Warner carried BOTH teams.

this proves you must be young. LOL QBs can not, will not and never have carried teams. it is too intricate a team sport.

I didnt say it was an Archie M thread but you obviously cant grasp the example.

also,Calling me names as a stranger on the internet makes you the fool. Than again, logic and the sports world dont seem to mesh well for you.

 

[Nukleopatra]

this proves you must be young. LOL QBs can not, will not and never have carried teams..

That's true in most cases, I agree.

But not in the case of Kurt Warner. He carried both teams.

And in response to your next post - Yes, Kurt Warner carried both teams.

 

[ram29jackson]

That's true in most cases, I agree.

But not in the case of Kurt Warner. He carried both teams.

And in response to your next post - Yes, Kurt Warner carried both teams.

: )

dude, there is waaaay too many factors. He isnt even a mobile guy.

Look, i'm a Kurt Warner apologist as much as the next warner fan.
He was made to look just as good thanks to his quality receivers. Without decent receivers he cant carry anybody.