Kurt Warner: No HOF For Eli Manning

[DJ Rhude]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02...ngs-numbers-not-good-enough-for-hall-of-fame/

He made some points but he sounds a little mad too. Wonder if he's been mad all these years Eli replaced him

Also shocked these kind of comments came from a man like Kurt

 

[MrBill]

 

[mgoblue2290]

He's not mad, he's just looking at it logically. Eli really has only had 2 nice seasons. Other than that hes been above average.

 

[DJ Rhude]

He's not mad, he's just looking at it logically. Eli really has only had 2 nice seasons. Other than that hes been above average.

Any surprise that these comments came from Warner though? I wouldv'e expected someone else

You are right though, I said this before Eli's never had sexy stats....this is by far his best year....Warner used to have better years statistically in his sleep

But, Warner also forgets, he had a incredible offense around him....he didn't do it alone either....this is my only beef with his statements...no QB does it alone, he didn't either

 

[j.hen]

Well Kurt sure as hell isn't making it in then by his standards.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Any surprise that these comments came from Warner though? I wouldv'e expected someone else

You are right though, I said this before Eli's never had sexy stats....this is by far his best year....Warner used to have better years statistically in his sleep

But, Warner also forgets, he had a incredible offense around him....he didn't do it alone either....this is my only beef with his statements...no QB does it alone, he didn't either

He pretty much said that in the comments. He said no QB ever does it alone which means he's including himself in that category.

 

[ralaw]

I really don't see why Warner would be mad. I'm sure people will believe this though, because of the history. I may be mistaken, but I believe Warner and Eli are pretty cool. Regardless of who it comes from the truth is the truth. Eli will be a HOFer. If he continues to put up decent enough stats he's a lock.

 

[DJ Rhude]

Honestly, the closest QB I've seen that did it "alone" is Tom Brady.....when he was winning all those superbowls, it wasn't with HOF receivers....they were solid, but not superstars.....that's amazing to me and while Brady's one of the best to do it

When they finally got a stud at WR in Moss, look at what he did...granted he lost to us in the end, but that doesn't erase that phenomenal season he had

 

[Senser81]

Any surprise that these comments came from Warner though?

Yes. I would have expected his wife to say it.

 

[ryne candy]

I really don't see why Warner would be mad. I'm sure people will believe this though, because of the history. I may be mistaken, but I believe Warner and Eli are pretty cool. Regardless of who it comes from the truth is the truth. Eli will be a HOFer. If he continues to put up decent enough stats he's a lock.

Elway had the stats but they were ready to kick him out of Denver till he won two SB, don't remember people talking him going into the Hall (but I was young in late 80's). Afterwards, he couldn't be put fast enough into the HOF. How is this different...Eli has 2 SB, 2 SB MVP (he wasn't just on the bench for a Ring). Have standards changed? If he were to suffer a career ending injury next year, would he be out of getting into the Hall?

 

[ralaw]

Elway had the stats but they were ready to kick him out of Denver till he won two SB, don't remember people talking him going into the Hall (but I was young in late 80's). Afterwards, he couldn't be put fast enough into the HOF. How is this different...Eli has 2 SB, 2 SB MVP (he wasn't just on the bench for a Ring). Have standards changed? If he were to suffer a career ending injury next year, would he be out of getting into the Hall?

Meh, you're probably right.. given who they have put into the HOF(Aikman, Unitas, etc) if Eli retired today he probably should be in.

 

[FirstTimer]

Meh, given who they have put into the HOF(Aikman, Unitas, etc) if Eli retired today he probably should be in.

:joeybats:

Wut?

 

[ralaw]

:joeybats:

Wut?

Oops, I meant to say Joe Namath.

 

[Cornelius]

Oops, I meant to say Joe Namath.

and Montana. Bums, the both of em.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Oops, I meant to say Joe Namath.

Why would that come into question...Joe Namath is maybe the most important singular player to lace'em up, to the history of the game.

He should have his own hooker filled room (all hookers look like Suzy Kolber) in Canton with a back entrance so no one sees him walk in.

 

[ram29jackson]

Oops, I meant to say Joe Namath.

Joe accomplished fathering the defeat of the so called superior league..thats hall of fame worthy of course.

Look, I know you guys arent this dumb. Theres no way Warner would bad mouth Manning as a great qb In the NFL. Its a tongue in cheek piece or you guys just "cant read good"


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theyre both locks

 

[Tailback U]

He is right. If his career ended today he shouldnt make it. But he has at least 5 years left if he stays healthy.

Didn't Namath throw like 40 more picks than TDs?

 

[ralaw]

He is right. If his career ended today he shouldnt make it. But he has at least 5 years left if he stays healthy.

Didn't Namath throw like 40 more picks than TDs?

Yes, but Namath gets a lot of hype, because of the aura.

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If Eli retires today was his career better than Troy Aikman who is probably at the top of the list of game managers?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He is right. If his career ended today he shouldnt make it. But he has at least 5 years left if he stays healthy.

Didn't Namath throw like 40 more picks than TDs?

Again, context context context. Next you guys will be blasting Johnny Unitas for his low QB rating.

Namath was a gunslinger who routinely led the league or was among the league leaders in yards, yards per attempt, and yards per completions, etc. Eli Manning never leads the league in anything, and in fact, never finishes top 3.

In 1972, Namath threw for 2816 yards and 19 TD's. This past year, Eli threw for nearly 5000 and 29 TD's. Namath's totals led the league, Eli's totals were barely good for top 5. Namath's numbers are far more impressive.

Namath played in an era where it was not uncommon to throw more INT's than TD's. Yes, Namath had high INT totals, even for his time. But he balanced that with ridiculous yardage and TD totals (when he was healthy).

Let's look at the adjusted numbers (normalized for the playing conditions of the era). 100 is average, higher is better.

-Namath's QB Rating of 65.5 adjusts to 102 for his career (meaning he was 2% better than the average QB).

-Eli's career 82.2 rating adjusts to 99, meaning he is 1% worse than the average QB for his career. Context.

In fact, Namath beats Eli pretty much across the board (with the exception of TD%) when you use adjusted stats, and his peak numbers blow Eli away:

Namath career/career high - Eli career/career high

Y/A: 109/136 - 101/124
NY/A: 115/143 - 105/125
COM%: 102/115 - 93/107
TD%: 100/115 - 107/117
INT%: 97/117 - 96/113
Rating: 102/110 - 99/112

When you look at the year by year (links below), Eli was routinely a below average QB statistically when compared to his era, until the last three years. Namath was consistently better (and most years, MUCH better) than his peers most year. And Eli's best years do not touch Namath's best. Not even close.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NamaJo00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm

(scroll down to 'Advanced Passing' to see the numbers i'm talking about)

This is why fans with any sense of history are not all that impressed with the gaudy passing totals and TD/INT ratios being put up in today's environment.

 

[FirstTimer]

I've always viewed Namath as overrated int he context of people talking about him as one of the 5 or 10 best ever. But dude belongs in the hall.