Eli Manning...

[Warner2BruceTD]

LOL and it's the "stat geeks" who have removed the subtleties and nuance from sports. Right.

The "stat geeks" the ones who are ignoring context, not the mouth breathers who parrot studio banter as if its canon. Right.

And the irony here, is I didn't bring stats into this. It was the Eli fan club that dragged his numbers into it.

I'm squarely on the Eli HOF fence (but leaning no at this point), despite the fact his stats are not HOF worthy (and make no mistake, he does not have HOF numbers). If he's getting in, it's because of peripherals, not numbers, and i'm ok with that. A stat geek would never put him in, because he doesn't cut it on a statistical standard.

His performance last night shouldn't tilt the scale. Unfortunately, for some, it will.

 

[FirstTimer]

Come from behind wins is one of the most overrated stats in football, especially in dealing with QB to QB comparison.

 

[shag773]

Come from behind wins is one of the most overrated stats in football, especially in dealing with QB to QB comparison.

Agreed. However, game winning TD drives in the last 2 minutes of the SB is not. It's actually underrated, especially in Eli's case....

 

[FirstTimer]

Agreed. However, game winning TD drives in the last 2 minutes of the SB is not. It's actually underrated, especially in Eli's case....

No need for the comeback if Eli plays better the rest of the game.

:longo:

 

[Champ]

Eli did this in a year where the critics were doubting him from day one. He lost his go to guy in Steve Smith and his other safety basket in Kevin Boss.

 

[Liquidrob]

And the irony here, is I didn't bring stats into this. It was the Eli fan club that dragged his numbers into it.

I'm squarely on the Eli HOF fence (but leaning no at this point), despite the fact his stats are not HOF worthy (and make no mistake, he does not have HOF numbers). If he's getting in, it's because of peripherals, not numbers, and i'm ok with that. A stat geek would never put him in, because he doesn't cut it on a statistical standard.

His performance last night shouldn't tilt the scale. Unfortunately, for some, it will.

Why shouldnt it tilt the scale? You come off like you just want to talk about his stats but than say it's not just about stats the next time or whatever

The facts are he played a great game and had another great playoff run, lead the team on a great drive and made an awesome throw, of course it tilts in his favor, Super Bowls are not everything (to some they are) but they always add to it, especially when you play like Eli did and out playing Brady in the process

I would lean towards him getting in at this point

 

[shag773]

No need for the comeback if Eli plays better the rest of the game.

:longo:

:facepalm:

 

[MrBill]

I would lean towards him getting in at this point

I think any reasonable person would lean towards him getting in if he maintains his average level of production for another 5 seasons. He doesn't even have to win another title. He should almost get in for holding the record on the number of road wins in the playoffs alone but the two Super Bowl wins and MVP trophies cement that provided he puts up some more stats.

 

[FirstTimer]

Why shouldnt it tilt the scale? You come off like you just want to talk about his stats but than say it's not just about stats the next time or whatever

The facts are he played a great game and had another great playoff run, lead the team on a great drive and made an awesome throw, of course it tilts in his favor, Super Bowls are not everything (to some they are) but they always add to it, especially when you play like Eli did and out playing Brady in the process

I would lean towards him getting in at this point

Arguable at best.

 

[mgoblue2290]

By the time all of the QBs finish their careers that played in this era with Eli, his average production level will not look all that special. A ton of guys playing right now are going to end up top 15 and guys after them will also break in. When deciding if a guy is HOF worthy you have to view it in the context in which they played. Eli, right now, is not a HOFer based on that. Sure if you compare to him guys who played in the 70's he looks wonderful, but so do a bunch of other guys.

That said, the Giants fans in this thread have it right. Who gives a fuck about the HOF, Eli has helped bring them 2 Super Bowl wins and that is what matters. Anyone who has played sports competitively, even if its just a pick up game, knows that the win is more important than individual performance.

 

[NAHSTE]

Eli did this in a year where the critics were doubting him from day one. He lost his go to guy in Steve Smith and his other safety basket in Kevin Boss.

WTF is a "safety basket"?

 

[Champ]

WTF is a "safety basket"?

Never heard of that phrase?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

2-time (or more) Super Bowl MVPs...

Bart Starr
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana (3)
Tom Brady
Eli Manning

The man is in, fellas.

 

[NAHSTE]

WTF is a "safety basket"?

No. I've heard of a security blanket (no diivox) and safety net, but never a safety basket. Take the phrase literally - if Eli Manning fell, would a basket break his fall?

How big a basket we talking?

 

[Sharkweather]

Never heard of that phrase?

Blanket.

:bazookajones:

 

[mgoblue2290]

2-time (or more) Super Bowl MVPs...

Bart Starr
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana (3)
Tom Brady
Eli Manning

The man is in, fellas.

To me it seems like Eli only won because no one else really stood out from the crowd. I thought it about who else on the Giants could have won it but no one came to mind. JPP was dominant early but sort of faded, Nicks had nice numbers but didn't seem too dominant. So them giving it to Eli makes sense.

 

[Champ]

No. I've heard of a security blanket (no diivox) and safety net, but never a safety basket. Take the phrase literally - if Eli Manning fell, would a basket break his fall?

How big a basket we talking?

You are absolutely correct. I guess I brain farted.

 

[Champ]

To me it seems like Eli only won because no one else really stood out from the crowd. I thought it about who else on the Giants could have won it but no one came to mind. JPP was dominant early but sort of faded, Nicks had nice numbers but didn't seem too dominant. So them giving it to Eli makes sense.

Well I was thinking it was going to either go to Tuck or Eli. Tuck was kinda owed one for the last super bowl.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

You are absolutely correct. I guess I brain farted.

You are no shy pooper, Chubs.

 

[Houston]

At this point, the only questions is how soon does he get in?