Kurt Warner: No HOF For Eli Manning

[NAHSTE]

We had 70 4th quarter comebacks this year, the highest in NFL history. However it was only surpassed by 2..the NFL had 68 in 2008, 2002, and in 1999, but there was only 31 teams that year.

Plus Eli and Tebow weren't in the league then. That alone accounts for the discrepancy.

 

[Deviant]

LOL at this. Yeah let's take this one season and just assume Eli will do it forever rather than taking into account whathe's done his entire career until this point including leading the league in picks in 2010.

Homer post here.

Awesome.

Wow. You're so wrong here. If you think Eli throwing for 4,500+ every year is a homer post, you're delusional. Thanks to the new rules, it's going to be standard for a Top 5 QB to throw for 4,500 easily. Special teams, on average, has gone down about 600 yards and has pretty much been gift wrapped to the offense. Drew Brees just smoked Marino's record throwing for pretty much 5,500. Tom Brady passed Marino's mark with 5,200+.

4,000 is pretty much going to be the standard mark for quarterbacks. Cam Newton threw for 4,000 and it was only his rookie season. Eli just thre for 5,000. Barring injury, if you seriously think Eli (who is getting more and more responsible for the offense's production every year) can't do around 4,500 each year, you're just stupid. I didn't say the guy's going to throw 40+ TDs and 10 or less INTs each season. What's so homer about saying Eli's going to throw for 4,500+ and under 20 INTs each season? Really, I want to know.

Also, LOL at you calling me a homer. You call me a homer regardless of who I'm talking about. In a previous thread, you accused me for being a homer when I defended Aaron Rodgers when the Packers didn't execute in the Divisional. Everyone knew I was talking about how the Giants were screwed on officiating calls and you said:

Please don't tell me you are implying the Packers were screwed over by the officials................

Even when everyone told you I implied the Giants being screwed, you said:

We will see.

Trust me, I never overestimate the intelligence of a Packers fan.

Your shtick is old.

 

[Deviant]

In case you missed the NFL season nary a week passed without 2-3 ridiculous last minute scores 4th comebacks. Its routine. Check any week to week posting here.

See below.

We had 70 4th quarter comebacks this year, the highest in NFL history. However it was only surpassed by 2..the NFL had 68 in 2008, 2002, and in 1999, but there was only 31 teams that year.

This. It's not just been this year. It doesn't belong to a certain generation.

In '92, Marino had six 4QC, Steve Young has three, Elway had three and it was the year where Frank Reich led the greatest comeback of all time in the playoffs against the Oilers. Seemed pretty routine then. What's the difference now? How we glorify it?

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

See below.



This. It's not just been this year. It doesn't belong to a certain generation.

In '92, Marino had six 4QC, Steve Young has three, Elway had three and it was the year where Frank Reich led the greatest comeback of all time in the playoffs against the Oilers. Seemed pretty routine then. What's the difference now? How we glorify it?

If you dont know the difference between sitting on a deficit and leading your team back in the 4th Q and getting into a wild west shootout where each team scores twice in the last 5 mins dunno what to tell you.

Anyone over 25 should be watching the league long enough to know why these "comebacks" are ludicrous. Hence check the threads on here. W2B summed up my ramblings by saying QBs are playing the clock not the defense.
Very NBA like finishes , its not parity its the rules.

 

[FirstTimer]

Wow. You're so wrong here. If you think Eli throwing for 4,500+ every year is a homer post, you're delusional.

Irony is ironic.

hanks to the new rules, it's going to be standard for a Top 5 QB to throw for 4,500 easily.

So Eli's "accomplishment" won't mean much?

What's so homer about saying Eli's going to throw for 4,500+ and under 20 INTs each season? Really, I want to know.

I already explained it to you.

Why are you asking again?

 

[Deviant]

So Eli's "accomplishment" won't mean much?

It will. It will say that's he performs as one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. How does that not mean anything?

I already explained it to you.

Why are you asking again?

No. You didn't explain anything. You assumed that I took one year into account and made it out to be his career. I did not. I explained my point. So, I'm asking for an explanation because the one you gave is wrong.

 

[Deviant]

If you dont know the difference between sitting on a deficit and leading your team back in the 4th Q and getting into a wild west shootout where each team scores twice in the last 5 mins dunno what to tell you.

Anyone over 25 should be watching the league long enough to know why these "comebacks" are ludicrous. Hence check the threads on here. W2B summed up my ramblings by saying QBs are playing the clock not the defense.
Very NBA like finishes , its not parity its the rules.

I agree with the mindset. I disagree that all 4QC are like that. Sorry. The Giants were down by 10+ in three of their comebacks this season and legitimately came back in all of their games in which they were down in the 4th Quarter. Give me an example of a comeback that happened the way you're talking about from this season and I can show you one that was legitimate.

 

[shag773]

But guys like Deacon , Night Train Lane , and Krause standout because they werent getting by on rules they were playing well above there peers and were either mentally or physically more gifted then the rest.

Didn't Deacon Jones employ the headslap, and wasn't Night Train Lane known for the neck tie tackle? I think they did get by on the laxed rules of the era.

 

[FirstTimer]

It will. It will say that's he performs as one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. How does that not mean anything?

Because the numbers are inflated.

The numbers will be more empty/hollow.

You can't in one post point to how easy it will be for Eli to get 4500 yards because of the new rules...when in a pervious post you are pumping up those numbers as though they should be impressive.

Nice logic fail.

:yao: at Eli being a Top 5 QB.

Homer alert!

No. You didn't explain anything.

Actually I did.

Please try again.

I did not

You did.

Because there is no way that you could take multiple years into account and conclude that Eli would throw for 4500+ yards on a yearly basis because he's only ever done it once.

Also, in 2010 he lead the league in INT's with 20+(His second time doing so). So You were clearly only looking at this past season.


Your point was awful.

Plese try harder next time.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Deviant, you're being ridiculously dumb.

 

[jms493]

i love how all these ELI threads eventually get closed.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

- In any era of football you can take players A, B, and C at positions X, Y, and Z and make cases that there is some sort of inflation or deflation in value based on a base line that does not exist. Rules of the game change, the players evolve, rules change again, players evolve. If its in the game, its in the game, and its all in the game, yo.

- Just quickly...you can :yao: at Eli being a top whatever QB all you want, but I've said he's a Top 7 QB for a long time...if you disagree...whatever, but I've been pretty consistent in that for years...I'm also consistent in thinking that all 7 of the leagues Top QBs are Hall of Fame worthy.

 

[Senser81]

- Just quickly...you can :yao: at Eli being a top whatever QB all you want, but I've said he's a Top 7 QB for a long time...if you disagree...whatever, but I've been pretty consistent in that for years...I'm also consistent in thinking that all 7 of the leagues Top QBs are Hall of Fame worthy.

Even so, I still think there is a big gap between #7 Eli and the top QBs. This was the first real "elite" season in Eli's career. I think he needs to have a few more elite seasons to be HOF worthy. I would guess that a few years back people had Tony Romo in their top 7 QB lists.

 

[jms493]

What if Eli has 4 more so-so seasons..nothing special but wins another super bowl?

 

[shag773]

What if Eli has 4 more so-so seasons..nothing special but wins another super bowl?

He'll be in the hall of fame but there will be a 25 page thread arguing that he shouldn't be..

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Even so, I still think there is a big gap between #7 Eli and the top QBs. This was the first real "elite" season in Eli's career. I think he needs to have a few more elite seasons to be HOF worthy. I would guess that a few years back people had Tony Romo in their top 7 QB lists.

Only the mildly retarded would say such a thing.

And, your Steeler bias aside...I find is difficult for you to justify any true discernible difference between Big Ben and Eli.

 

[Senser81]

Only the mildly retarded would say such a thing.

And, your Steeler bias aside...I find is difficult for you to justify any true discernible difference between Big Ben and Eli.

Roethlisberger and Manning are different types of players. Roethlisberger is a play-maker, Manning hadn't been until this year (and even then, it was overhyped). In his 8 seasons, Roethlisberger has had 6 years with a rating over 90, and 2 years with ratings over 100 (and two others with ratings near 100). In his 8 seasons, Manning has had 2 years of ratings in the low 90's, and the other 6 seasons had his rating in the 70's and 80's. The only major stat category that Manning has ever led is "Interceptions thrown", which he's led twice.

This past season was the first season in which Manning could be called "better" than Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger has been superior to Manning in 7 of their 8 seasons, yet you find it difficult to justify and "true discernible difference" between the two.

Must be my "Steeler bias" getting the best of me.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Roethlisberger and Manning are different types of players. Roethlisberger is a play-maker, Manning hadn't been until this year (and even then, it was overhyped). In his 8 seasons, Roethlisberger has had 6 years with a rating over 90, and 2 years with ratings over 100 (and two others with ratings near 100). In his 8 seasons, Manning has had 2 years of ratings in the low 90's, and the other 6 seasons had his rating in the 70's and 80's. The only major stat category that Manning has ever led is "Interceptions thrown", which he's led twice.

This past season was the first season in which Manning could be called "better" than Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger has been superior to Manning in 7 of their 8 seasons, yet you find it difficult to justify and "true discernible difference" between the two.

Must be my "Steeler bias" getting the best of me.

Career game winning drives...Roethlisberger - 26, Eli Manning - 25. Career "comebacks"...Roethlisberger 20, Eli Manning - 21.

At least Manning has led the league in something...Roethlisberger's statistical output is as equally nondescript over his career as Manning...while he's thrown 29 more picks, he's thrown 20 more touchdowns as well, more yards.

Both two time Pro Bowlers.

Your argument comes down to Roethlisberger being a better decision maker and more efficient with the football making him decidedly better than a more productive statistical quarterback. Meanwhile, Roethlisberger loses at home in the playoffs to fuckin David Garrard and Jack Del Rio.

Have fun with your shit logic.

:bazookajones:

 

[jms493]

Meanwhile, Roethlisberger loses at home in the playoffs to fuckin David Garrard and Jack Del Rio.

Have fun with your shit logic.

:bazookajones:

dont forget Tim Tebow as well...:duda:

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

dont forget Tim Tebow as well...:duda:

AND TIME FUCKIN TEBOW!