Eli Manning...

[Liquidrob]

A Money Manning thread can't be derailed, keep trying though

 

[EmpireWF]

Again, LOL at that statement. Eli has played nine seasons. Between "4000 yards" and "30 TDs", there are 18 possible outcomes from Eli's career to date. Of those 18 outcomes, only four would satisfy either criteria. He's thrown for 30 once, and 4000 three times. But hey, let's go ahead and extrapolate those numbers for the next five years, since players always maintain their peak level performance five years beyond their career season.

LOL @ you LOLing a hypothetical. :dtrain:

It's not like I'm suggesting Mark Sanchez will throw for 5,000 yards.

Eli has averaged over 4300 yards and 29 TD the past three years.

 

[NAHSTE]

LOL @ you LOLing a hypothetical. :dtrain:

It's not like I'm suggesting Mark Sanchez will throw for 5,000 yards.

Eli has averaged over 4300 yards and 29 TD the past three years.

So clearly he's good for five more seasons at that clip! Got it.

 

[Champ]

Eli's stats in the 6 game run


1790 yards/298 per game 13 TD's and 2 INT's. Just incredible in 6 elimination games.

 

[Liquidrob]

Again, no one is arguing the will, but rather the should. This thread is maddening.

I think the point is, are you changing the HOF criteria for Eli Manning though? Based on who is in and what Eli has done what he is projected to do will he get in?

Larry is saying, based on the HOF and who is in, Eli will be a HOF, not really if he should based on W2BTD logic or any other stats that is thrown out, but on who is in the actually HOF right now

 

[NAHSTE]

I bet Larry thinks Jack Morris is a surefire HOFer too.

:troll:

 

[MrBill]

So clearly he's good for five more seasons at that clip! Got it.

I'm pretty sure that is the type of math that everyone used to proclaim that Manning passing all of Favre's records as being a virtual certainty. Why the double standard?

 

[Liquidrob]

I'm pretty sure that is the type of math that everyone used to proclaim that Manning passing all of Favre's records as being a virtual certainty. Why the double standard?

I know your tricks Mr Bill, lets keep this about Eli and even Brady...

 

[Epidemik]

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm pretty sure that is the type of math that everyone used to proclaim that Manning passing all of Favre's records as being a virtual certainty. Why the double standard?

Averaging out a decade+ worth of production as the best QB in the NFL =/= to taking 3 years worth of production as not even one of the Top 5

 

[NAHSTE]

I'm pretty sure that is the type of math that everyone used to proclaim that Manning passing all of Favre's records as being a virtual certainty. Why the double standard?

Wow, I'm impressed. Just when I think we've successfully navigated a thread about NFL quarterbacks without Mr Bill shoehorning a perceived slight against Brett Favre into it, he manages to prove everybody wrong.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think the point is, are you changing the HOF criteria for Eli Manning though? Based on who is in and what Eli has done what he is projected to do will he get in?

Larry is saying, based on the HOF and who is in, Eli will be a HOF, not really if he should based on W2BTD logic or any other stats that is thrown out, but on who is in the actually HOF right now

I think HOF criteria should be fluid for all players. Every career is different. Stats, achievements, all of that needs to be placed into context.

Why should we be locked into this train of thought of, "well, that's SB number two, he has to be in, that's that"? Shouldn't we be more sophisticated in our thought process than that, instead of repeating media narratives based on standards somebody came up with 30 years ago?

Somewhere along the way, thanks in part to slow motion, dramatic NFL Films footage and the enormity of what the game has become, we have turned the performances of QB's in this game into mythology. When the team wins, of course. Had Brady stuck it in the end zone on the final drive, suddenly Eli isn't as clutch anymore. Huh?

 

[NAHSTE]

Why should we be locked into this train of thought of, "well, that's SB number two, he has to be in, that's that"?

LOL and it's the "stat geeks" who have removed the subtleties and nuance from sports. Right.

The "stat geeks" are the ones who are ignoring context, not the mouth breathers who parrot studio banter as if its canon. Right.

 

[Epidemik]

If Trent Dilfer won another superbowl, would you put him in the HOF?

 

[EmpireWF]

So clearly he's good for five more seasons at that clip! Got it.

I haven't seen any reasons in recent years to think otherwise. :verlander:

 

[Liquidrob]

I think HOF criteria should be fluid for all players. Every career is different. Stats, achievements, all of that needs to be placed into context.

Why should we be locked into this train of thought of, "well, that's SB number two, he has top be in, that's that"? Shouldn't we be more sophisticated in our thought process than that, instead of repeating media narratives based on standards somebody came up with 30 years ago?

Somewhere along the way, thanks in part to slow motion, dramatic NFL Films footage and the enormity of what the game has become, we have turned the performances of QB's in this game into mythology. When the team wins, of course. Had Brady stuck it in the end zone on the final drive, suddenly Eli isn't as clutch anymore. Huh?

Eli has had 2 amazing runs in the playoffs to win 2 Super Bowls, it's not like he was a long for the ride on great defensive teams

He is Money in the 4th quater and has made it his game to 'win' coming from behind, I am not a 'rings' guy either and Dan Marino is better than almost any QB ever IMO, but when a guy wins 2 Super Bowls and has the run he had in both playoffs, road wins, underdog against an 18-0 team, come from behind and throws that were amazing, etc... he has a strong case to make it when his career is OVER, not right now, but when it is over

Eli is a different case than the classic HOF guy, he has had his ups and downs, but he has put on great games in big games, made great runs, etc...he is not Vinny T, Bledsoe, and the like some guys keep throwing out there either

Is Eli a John Elway? hell no, but he has his place with what he has done so far and he still has some good years left

 

[Tailback U]

I agree with you, Warner. I think most do. I think a lot of us are just saying he is going to get there and this 2nd super bowl certainly helps his chances and it should.

Eli took down what mosh considered the best team in the NfL and SB champs on the road, the best defense in the league on the road, and Bill Belichick and Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. He has had 2 amazing post seasons now and he is only 31. Im not going to say he is a hall of gamer yet, but I expect him to get there.

Sidenote, I thought it was interesting to watch the Pats let the Giants get that TD but I can't say I disagree with the move.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there was 1:09 left on the clock
and the Pats had 2 timeouts left when they got the ball back?

 

[MrBill]

Wow, I'm impressed. Just when I think we've successfully navigated a thread about NFL quarterbacks without Mr Bill shoehorning a perceived slight against Brett Favre into it, he manages to prove everybody wrong.

It's also accurate. You can't use an extrapolation of current production for one Manning and not the other :smug:

 

[shag773]

It really is, I can't believe the failure to comprehend this.


The idea that, well, Eli has two SB's now, he should be in because of that, is what brings this full circle.

Why do we have to think this way? Can't we dig deeper, examine the entire picture, and put things into context?

I'm not sure if anybody here is thinking this, but you just know there are writers and pundits and fans and observers and experts and bloggers who are putting him in Canton today, yet wouldn't be had Brady led a TD drive at the end of the game. And that makes no sense to me and never will.

I get what you're saying.

Really, I do.

I don't want to dig deeper. I don't have the time. Even if I had the time, I wouldn't waste it analyzing plays he made, didn't make, should of made, could of made, or would of made.

I see a guy who won two super bowls, leading game winning drives in each game, and being named MVP in both games. Last time I checked, the list of players with 2 or more SB MVPs or did not include Bledsoe or Testaverde.

Call me lazy. Call me a bad fan. Whatever. He's going in the HOF, and I don't have a problem with it.

 

[Liquidrob]

I agree with you, Warner. I think most do. I think a lot of us are just saying he is going to get there and this 2nd super bowl certainly helps his chances and it should.

I thought it was interesting to watch the Pats let the Giants get that TD but I can't say I disagree with the move.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there was 1:09 left on the clock
and the Pats had 2 timeouts left when they got the ball back?

They had 1 time out left I believe