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Warner2BruceTD

2011 Poster Of The Year
Welp, if Sting doesn't get in from now on, you can blame me directly if I don't vote for him...

 
h*******r@juno.com
Sep 6 (4 days ago)

to me
(OMITTED)

It's time for the 2013 Hall of Fame elections.

This ballot is being sent out to major wrestling stars, past and present, major management figures in the industry, writers and historians.

If you are getting this, you are being asked your opinion on who should be inducted into this year's Hall of Fame class. The criteria for the Hall of Fame is a combination of drawing power, being a great in-ring performer or excelling in ones field in pro wrestling, as well as having historical significance in a positive manner. A candidate should either have something to offer in all three categories, or be someone so outstanding in one or two of those categories that they deserve inclusion.

The names listed below are those under consideration for this year. To be eligible, a performer must have reached their 35th birthday and completed ten years since their debut as a full-time performer, or be someone who has been a full-time pro wrestler for at least 15 years.

Longevity should be a prime consideration rather than a hot two or three year run, unless someone is so significant as a trend-setter or a historical figure in the business, or valuable to the industry, that they need to be included. However, just longevity without being either a long-term main eventer, a top draw and/or a top caliber in-ring performer should be seen as relatively meaningless.

The election is broken down into a number of categories. You should check each category for wrestlers that you feel you are familiar enough with based on geography that you've either traveled or are familiar with, and based on the time you have followed pro wrestling. You do not have to vote for a wrestler in every category you've checked.

The ballot is also broken down to wrestlers and those who are not pro wrestlers but have been valuable parts of the industry.

The maximum number of wrestlers that you can vote for all the categories is ten. You can pick as few as zero if you don't believe anyone on this list deserves inclusion.

For wrestling executives, managers, announcers and other outside the ring performers, you can vote for them and they are not counted against the ten. You can vote for as many as five of them.

All responses are confidential. There is nothing to worry about politically about any involvement in this process. Your selections will not be revealed unless you choose to do so yourself.

Anyone who receives mention on 60% of the ballots from the geographical region and time frame (broken down as Continental United States & Canada; Mexico; Japan; Europe; and Hawaii/Australia/New Zealand/Puerto Rico) will be added to the Hall of Fame in the class of 2013.

If you are unfamiliar with any of the candidates due to geography of having never seen them, that is fine. Ballots are sent to many people from all over the world and from different wrestling cultures so that everyone has as fair a shot at possible.

The breakdown for modern and historical performers is 30 years ago, or 1983. So if the last year the person was a headliner, or was a key figure in the industry, was prior to 1983, they would be in the historical class.

All performers who receive mention on 10% to 59.9% of the ballots from their geographical region or era will remain on the ballot for consideration next year. All those who receive less than 10% of the vote will be dropped from next year's ballot. They can return in two years based on if there is significant feedback from voters who say they will vote for them. This is mostly for wrestlers who are still active who may improve their career legacy, but can be for retired wrestlers if voters believe they should be put on or returned to the ballot.

Please return this ballot by October 5th. You can e-mail the ballot back to (EMAIL) or fax it to ***-***-**** or mail (please do so by September 28th) to Wrestling Observer, (ADDRESS).

Please check by every category you are familiar with

I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES
Gene & Ole Anderson
The Assassins (Joe Hamilton & Tom Renesto)
Red Bastien
June Byers
Pepper Gomez
Rip Hawk
Dick Hutton
Ciclon Negro
Dutch Savage
Kinji Shibuya
Wilbur Snyder
John Tolos
Enrique Torres
Count Billy Varga
Von Brauners & Saul Weingeroff
Tim "Mr. Wrestling" Woods

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Bob Armstrong
Batista
Edge
Owen Hart
Curt Hennig
Ivan Koloff
Brock Lesnar
Fabulous Moolah
Pedro Morales
Dick Murdoch
Ken Patera
Rock & Roll Express (Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson)
Sgt. Slaughter
Jimmy Snuka
Sting
A.J. Styles
Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES
George Gordienko
Gran Hamada
Volk Han
Masahiko Kimura
Yuji Nagata
Seiji Sakaguchi
Kensuke Sasaki
Mike & Ben Sharpe
Kiyoshi Tamura
Hiroshi Tanahashi

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES
Atlantis
Cien Caras
Hector Garza
Karloff Lagarde
Blue Panther
L.A. Park
Huracan Ramirez
Vampiro
Villano III
Dr. Wagner Jr.
Dr. Wagner Sr.

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES
Jim Breaks
Big Daddy
Giant Haystacks
Horst Hoffman
Billy Joyce
Kendo Nagasaki
Jackie Pallo
Rollerball Mark Rocco
Johnny Saint

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/PUERTO RICO CANDIDATES
Spyros Arion
Johnny Barend
Carlos Colon
Domenic DeNucci
Killer Karl Kox
Mark Lewin
Mario Milano

NON-WRESTLERS
Bill Apter
Dave Brown
Jim Crockett Jr.
Jim Crockett Sr.
Gary Hart
Jimmy Hart
Howard Finkel
Jerry Jarrett
Takashi Matsunaga
Gorilla Monsoon
Gene Okerluind
Don Owen
Jesse Ventura
Stanley Weston


I assume i'm being counted in the 'writer' category (wasn't specified). It's clearly the only one that fits, as i don't see how i'd be considered a 'historian'.

I have to admit that I was taken back when I saw this. I have corresponded with Dave Meltzer for years, but I am beyond grateful that in the short time VoW has existed that i'm being included on the short list of HOF voters. I will take this seriously and do mountains of research.

I am going to vote in the U.S./Canada, Japan, & Non-Wrestler categories.

I'll keep my running thoughts in this thread, and you guys can yell at me and call me stupid for my choices & snubs.
 
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Here are the categories I am voting on, and the names in RED are being eliminated from consideration right now. These are people who I absolutely feel 100% certain don't belong. If somebody is 99% (and there are plenty on this list that fit that bill) i'm not writing them off but it will take significant evidence in whatever research I do to sway me. But for now, you can cross off anybody in red, and I can not be swayed:

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Bob Armstrong
Batista
Edge
Owen Hart
Curt Hennig
Ivan Koloff
Brock Lesnar
Fabulous Moolah
Pedro Morales
Dick Murdoch
Ken Patera
Rock & Roll Express (Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson)
Sgt. Slaughter
Jimmy Snuka
Sting
A.J. Styles
Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES
George Gordienko
Gran Hamada
Volk Han
Masahiko Kimura
Yuji Nagata
Seiji Sakaguchi
Kensuke Sasaki
Mike & Ben Sharpe
Kiyoshi Tamura
Hiroshi Tanahashi

NON-WRESTLERS
Bill Apter
Dave Brown
Jim Crockett Jr.
Jim Crockett Sr.
Gary Hart
Jimmy Hart
Howard Finkel
Jerry Jarrett
Takashi Matsunaga
Gorilla Monsoon
Gene Okerluind
Don Owen
Jesse Ventura
Stanley Weston
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There are three names I am absolutely voting for 100%. In no order:

Rock & Roll Express - You could argue that they didn't invent the North American "babyface in peril" style of tag team match, but they perfected it, and their influence on tag team wrestling in enormous. Nearly every tag team match you see was spawned from the RnRE playbook. They also spawned dozens of imitation teams. They were legit main eventers in multiple territories. They were outstanding workers for their time, and really, any time. So they definitively tick two of the three boxes and drew well enough to almost tick the third. But the workrate is top level, and the positive influence is off the charts, so they get my vote rather easily.

Kensuke Sasaki - Workrate is a no brainer. Main evented multiple sold out Tokyo Dome shows and was a main eventer at the end of the last great New Japan period previous to this one. Elite level trainer with his Kensuke Office/Diamond Ring promotion/dojo. Let's get this out of the way. He killed a man (a trainee). That's his only drawback. By all accounts it was an accident caused by hard Japanese style training. Nobody thinks he murdered him. But you could argue it's an argument against positive influence. I just chalk it up to being an accident. Only man to hold the top world title in New Japan, All Japan, & NOAH, which probably sounds silly to bring up in this context, but that stuff still matters in Japan as the top titles are not passed around like cheap hookers like they are in the U.S. Being the champ in Japan still means you are the top guy and are expected to carry business.

Hiroshi Tanahashi - Probably the best active wrestler overall (you could argue Daniel Bryan and I won't fight you) & undoubtedly the best "big match" wrestler alive today. A legit all time great, and it's not worthy of debate. A legit draw that took his promotion from near death levels to the #2 promotion in the world. He may not get in this year, but he's a virtual lock to get in at some point, on workrate alone.
 
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Brock Lesnar should get your vote.

Biggest draw in MMA history.
Legitimate Pro Wrestling draw...perhaps the de facto #2 draw in the 'States in an era without singular draws. Also a + worker.

I also can't help but think Don Owen needs to get in at some point.
 
Brock Lesnar should get your vote.

Biggest draw in MMA history.
Legitimate Pro Wrestling draw...perhaps the de facto #2 draw in the 'States in an era without singular draws. Also a + worker.

I also can't help but think Don Owen needs to get in at some point.

You're not supposed to consider MMA resumes.

Still a strong candidate. I saw a good Lesnar vs Sting write up somewhere. I will find it later and post it.

I think the only reasonable argument against Lesnar is longevity.
 
You're not supposed to consider MMA resumes.

Still a strong candidate. I saw a good Lesnar vs Sting write up somewhere. I will find it later and post it.

I think the only reasonable argument against Lesnar is longevity.

It compounds how good of a draw he was. Not considering it is kind of silly. Kind of like your "Mick Foley writes books" arguments...it compounds how much of a PPV draw this guy is, and across mediums, shows people want to spend money to see this guy...and they do.

Lesnar > Sting as far as HoF'r and both are Hall of Famers.
 
I do always laugh when he complains about email issues and STILL uses JUNO. Maybe it's time to move into 2002, bruh. Get that hotmail setup.
 
Look at the year I gave (2002). Nobody does. Just saying it would be an incredible leap to go from Juno to gmail. I thought Dave could transition into Hotmail/Outlook and then gmail when he finally feels ready.
 
Curious to see why you have an immediate no to Edge. I'm sure I might have skimmed it here at some point, and I have my ideas on why you would say no as well.

As for Lesnar, I agree with Larry. Obviously, the intent is that you don't judge his MMA performance here, but that has certainly affected his drawing power now with WWE. It's akin to ignoring that Deion Sanders had a baseball career.
 
I like Edge just fine, but he doesnt really tick any of the boxes at an elite level. I don't consider him an elite worker. He was not an elite draw. He popped a nice RAW rating after the MITB cash in, but lots of guys popped a rating once or twice, so that's not HOF material. He was top heel at times and had good programs with Cena but does anybody really think of Edge as a long term, true, money drawing top guy? I know I don't.

Edge had a nice peak as was a star. Not a hall of famer, unless you want to open the door for dozens of other decent guys who had the occasional top run. And as I said, his work alone isn't good enough to carry him. That's why I say immediate no to him, but leave a crack open for Henning & Owen Hart, who were top workers.
 
Lesnar is clearly a big draw and an enormous star. Great overall performer. The only question is longevity. Lots of comparable short term stars throughout history who are not in. I'll elaborate when I have more time. I'm on the fence. Doesn't matter because he's getting in at some point unless he never wrestles again, and might get in this year anyway. A strong candidate for sure.
 
more guys should watch Rollerball Mark Rocco

The European voting is a mess. I've seen all those guys work but I'm not going to pretend to be well versed enough on the business or culture end to vote on it. Rocco is great,so is Johnny Saint if you like the style.
 
The European voting is a mess. I've seen all those guys work but I'm not going to pretend to be well versed enough on the business or culture end to vote on it. Rocco is great,so is Johnny Saint if you like the style.

Rocco was the real deal, Saint was a special attraction, Big Daddy and Haystacks were the big money guys ... if you can sit though that
 
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