Look what I found in my email today...

[Warner2BruceTD]

These fools ever watch Harold Miner play?

Based on what they think of Tanahashi, i'd say yes.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I feel like I was reading a thread filled with crazy people.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I feel like I was reading a thread filled with crazy people.

fwiw I am getting PM's from people over there cheering me on like the last remaining vestige of common sense & reason. The problem, is like them, I can only take so much ultra smarm from the likes of John Williams & Jonathan Snowden, and soon i'll be the one sending rah rah PM's to the noob who dares to challenge these wackos.

 

[FedEx227]

Their "look at how many Sumo Hall shows they have now compared to before" argument is really, really, REALLY stupid.

It's akin to saying, well WWE runs half the dates they did in the Hogan-era so Cena isn't a big deal. Or simply, "They were on MTV in 1983 and NBC in 1985 and now they are on SyFy, Ion and USA, Cena sucks"

It's just completely disregarding the shift in pro wrestling in general from an entertainment establishment to a niche. It also complete disregards where Japan and NJPW specifically were BEFORE Tanahashi. The very fact that they are saying how the "masses" like Tanahashi is to me, a part of his resume. I don't think it's completely by accident that he happens to be their top star as they explode onto the scene. Sure, a lot of it has to do with technology but Dragon Gate is on iPPV too and nobody gives a shit.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Their "look at how many Sumo Hall shows they have now compared to before" argument is really, really, REALLY stupid.

It's akin to saying, well WWE runs half the dates they did in the Hogan-era so Cena isn't a big deal. Or simply, "They were on MTV in 1983 and NBC in 1985 and now they are on SyFy, Ion and USA, Cena sucks"

It's just completely disregarding the shift in pro wrestling in general from an entertainment establishment to a niche. It also complete disregards where Japan and NJPW specifically were BEFORE Tanahashi. The very fact that they are saying how the "masses" like Tanahashi is to me, a part of his resume. I don't think it's completely by accident that he happens to be their top star as they explode onto the scene. Sure, a lot of it has to do with technology but Dragon Gate is on iPPV too and nobody gives a shit.

A++.

The hoops being jumped through to discredit him as a draw are amazing. No, he's not Inkoi or Kobashi or Muta. I dont think he's an elite HOF level draw. But I like how they selectively ignore that New Japan was in the same gutter that the rest of Japan is still in before his rise.

That's John Williams though, an old school Japan guy who used to go to all of the shows with Meltzer in the 90's, and lost interest when those stars faded. So he's stubborn about anything that didn't happen in "his" Japan., because he saw Misawa live, and you, mere plebe, did not. He's a gigantic cock.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Welp, you cant blame me for Sting, but you can blame me for Carlos Colon. Fuck.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Who is in?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Who is in?

Takashi Matsunaga - 74%
Dr Wagner Sr - 69%
Kensuke Sasaki - 68%
Hiroshi Tanahashi - 65%
Atlantis - 62%

Colon missed by one vote. More on this on the show. Sting went from 38% to 33%, the same 30-something range as always. Lesnar 47%. Dick Murdoch still in the 40's.

Rock & Roll Express got 55%. Sucks. I don't understand this. The Assassins and Gene & Ole Anderson were over 50% as well, but below RnRE.

Rip Hawk, Dutch Savage, Count Billy Varga, Bob Armstrong, Batista, A.J. Styles fell off the ballot. Styles was said to get historically low numbers. "Not even his mother voted for him".

Junkyard Dog, Minoru Suzuki, Akira Taue, Jun Akiyama, C.M. Punk added next year. Wow. Some new, some are back for a second try based on lobbying. All have string cases.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Punk should be an easy in next year.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

We did it. We did it.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

There is very few calls in wrestling as good as random gook followed by HIIIIIIGH FLYYYYY FLOOOOOW.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Votes needed for induction into the Hall of Fame: U.S. and Canada modern (212); U.S. and Canada historical (129); Japan (62), Mexico (56), Pacific Islands, Australia, New Zealand, Puerto Rico (86); Europe (74).

PERFORMER VOTES PCT. 2012

TAKASHI MATSUNAGA 77 74% ----
DR. WAGNER SR. 63 69% 59.7%
KENSUKE SASAKI 71 68% 59%
HIROSHI TANAHASHI 68 65% 39%
ATLANTIS 57 62% 38%
Carlos Colon 85 59% 59%
Rock & Roll Express 194 55% 49%
The Assassins 114 53% 46%
Gene & Ole Anderson 112 52% 54%
Karloff Lagarde 29 52% 45%
Killer Karl Kox 71 50% 37%
Mark Lewin 68 48% 48%
Brock Lesnar 164 47% 24%
Dick Murdoch 162 46% 45%
L.A. Park 42 46% 53%
Jackie Pallo 57 46% 46%
Cien Caras 41 45% 42%
Jim Crockett Sr. 95 44% ----
Bill Apter 152 43% 52%
Volk Han 44 42% 42%
Red Bastien 89 41% 48%
Blue Panther 38 41% 30%
Villano III 38 41% 49%
Jesse Ventura 138 39% 59%
Stanley Weston 82 39% ----
Mike & Ben Sharpe 41 39% 45%
Kendo Nagasaki 48 39% 10%
Rollerball Mark Rocco 48 39% 43%
Jerry Jarrett 134 38% 41%
Big Daddy 47 38% 23%
Edge 129 37% 37%
Domenic DeNucci 53 37% 42%
Gene Okerlund 123 35% ----
Dr. Wagner Jr. 32 35% 34%
Gary Hart 120 34% 44%
Jimmy Hart 119 34% ----
Enrique Torres 72 34% 58%
Seiji Sakaguchi 35 34% 33%
Sting 116 33% 38%
Fabulous Moolah 114 32% 32%
Tim “Mr. Wrestling” Woods 68 32% 32%
Hector Garza 29 32% ----
Johnny Saint 39 32% 40%
Curt Hennig 106 30% 22%
Howard Finkel 105 30% ----
Gran Hamada 31 30% 29%
Don Owen 103 29% 31%
Johnny “Wrestling II” Walker 101 29% 16%
Gorilla Monsoon 95 27% 37%
Jim Crockett Jr. 92 26% 25%
John Tolos 56 26% 26%
Yuji Nagata 27 26% ----
George Gordienko 26 25% 39%
Sgt. Slaughter 86 24% 24%
Wilbur Snyder 51 24% 25%
Pedro Morales 76 22% 20%
Billy Joyce 27 22% 11%
Spyros Arion 32 22% 19%
Owen Hart 74 21% 15%
Horst Hoffman 26 21% 12%
Jimmy Snuka 69 20% 26%
June Byers 43 20% 25%
Von Brauners/Weingeroff 41 19% 12%
Huracan Ramirez 17 19% 40%
Pepper Gomez 35 16% 24%
Masahiko Kimura 17 16% 28%
Vampiro 15 16% 22%
Jim Breaks 20 16% 15%
Johnny Barend 23 16% 25%
Ken Patera 53 15% ----
Kinji Shibuya 32 15% 26%
Mario Milano 20 14% 28%
Dave Brown 41 12% ----
Giant Haystacks 15 12% ----
Dick Hutton 23 11% 19%
Ciclon Negro 22 10% ----

Less than 10% of the votes from the region and dropped from next year’s balloting: Rip Hawk, Dutch Savage, Count Billy Varga, Bob Armstrong, Batista, A.J. Styles

ADDED TO THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR: Junkyard Dog, Minoru Suzuki, Akira Taue, Jun Akiyama, C.M. Punk

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Shitty formatting, I know. Tried my best.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

mookie made this, which is much better than that ugly badly formatted shit I copied form the Observer:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]