Looking like Notre Dame will have to join a conference

[Bear Pand]

They've earned the right to compete against other conference champs in a playoff, like I said if the gap in class is as big as people like to make it out to be, it really shouldn't be an issue. Let them prove it on the field instead of just assuming that x would beat y cause of the conference they're from.

It's not assuming anything, it's looking at their body of work. Who they beat and lost to during the regular season. I'm not saying they shouldn't get in cause they'd lose. Just cause they did nothing to earn it.

The resume for these bad conference champs usually goes like this:

-Get smacked up in their OOC if they play team with a pulse.
-Pick up cheap win vs FCS opponent.
-Run through conference of scrubs.
-Finish season with 0 quality wins.

Clap for them.

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

It's not assuming anything, it's looking at their body of work. Who they beat and lost to during the regular season. I'm not saying they shouldn't get in cause they'd lose. Just cause they did nothing to earn it.

The resume for these bad conference champs usually goes like this:

-Get smacked up in their OOC if they play team with a pulse.
-Pick up cheap win vs FCS opponent.
-Run through conference of scrubs.
-Finish season with 0 quality wins.

Clap for them.

Yea cause you would never see the likes of Georgia Southern, Indiana State or Northwestern state on a BCS teams schedule and Vandy, Duke and Indiana are such high caliber conference opponents :smh:

 

[Sportsbuck]

Meh, they've been making an exception for ND for years, I don't really see what would stop them from slipping in an exception just like they have now for the BCS.

Anyways, if ND joins a conference, it will likely be the ACC... TIFWIW.

 

[BrntO4Life]

Really?

Top four conference champions:

2011 - LSU, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Wisconsin
2010 - Auburn, Oregon, TCU, Wisconsin
2009 - Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU
2008 - Oklahoma, Florida, USC, Utah

That's just the last four years and there were mid-majors in three of the four.

Again, a good playoff systems keeps the regular season as important, but allows for things to be settled on the field at the end of the season for the teams that earned a shot. Winning a conference doesn't necessarily mean you earned a shot at the title.

And what about the six years before that? And how many times is TCU, realistically, going to be the champion in their new conference? Zero sounds very likely. That erases 2 of your 3 points right there.

This is a pointless argument. You want a tiered FBS. I want to open it up. All conference champions deserve a shot. Saying otherwise means you desire a caste-system in college football. Keeping the status quo but putting it under new wrapping, basically.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think they should just name a champion at the end of every season. No tournament, no BCS, no bowls. Just arbitrarily name a champion. Nothing would be more exciting than finding out who the best team is via ESPN crawl on Monday morning. Who needs more games? I mean, this is SERIOUS BUSINESS, it's not like this is supposed to be entertainment, or anything. Just let those computers do their computations and figure out who to give the trophy to. Shit, let's take this a step further and just have Phil Steele or Rivals or some other geek tell us who the best team is after spring practice, and forego the entire season. We, as fans, do not want our champion determined on the field. Hell no! Fuck these wacky WAC teams, even if they go unbeaten. Who did those pussies play, anyway? They don't deserve shit, because, well, they just don't. Because let's face it, they would never ever ever win. Sports never has upsets. Ever. Experts and pundits are never wrong. Ever. Boise and Utah and TCU winning all those BCS games never happened.

It will never cease to amaze me how a segment of CFB fans are so resistant to seeing the sport join every other sport on the planet and give every team that participates a chance to win, and are so resistant to a decent sized playoff that would generate far more interest and excitement than what we have now. Clinging to myths like the excitement of a regular season which is probably the least exciting regular season in all of sports not called the NBA. No sir, for some reason we have to protect these sacred regular season games that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to 90% of the teams by the first week of October.

THE CARTEL is dying, people are tired of it, the castle is crumbling. The world evolves, sports evolve, people want to be entertained, ratings for bowl games are sliding, none of the games matter besides the BCS Championship and people are catching on. People are catching on that teams that don't even win their division should not get auto bids to championship games. People are tired of being force fed a system that makes things less fun for everybody involved. It's over. There will be a playoff, and one day it will have 8 teams or more. Accept it. Embrace it. The sport will be much, much, better for it.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOS ANGELES - Leaders of the Pac-12 Conference agreed in principle Saturday to try to end college football's Bowl Championship Series, proposing its replacement with a playoff system that would allow only conference winners to play for college football's national title.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...0/20120310bcs-playoff-system-pac-12-plan.html

Which is the only conference that will allow ND to have its own network? The Big12.

If ND joins a conference it will be the ACC.

tough shit

Win your division.

Fixed.

I think they should just name a champion at the end of every season. No tournament, no BCS, no bowls. Just arbitrarily name a champion. Nothing would be more exciting than finding out who the best team is via ESPN crawl on Monday morning. Who needs more games? I mean, this is SERIOUS BUSINESS, it's not like this is supposed to be entertainment, or anything. Just let those computers do their computations and figure out who to give the trophy to. Shit, let's take this a step further and just have Phil Steele or Rivals or some other geek tell us who the best team is after spring practice, and forego the entire season. We, as fans, do not want our champion determined on the field. Hell no! Fuck these wacky WAC teams, even if they go unbeaten. Who did those pussies play, anyway? They don't deserve shit, because, well, they just don't. Because let's face it, they would never ever ever win. Sports never has upsets. Ever. Experts and pundits are never wrong. Ever. Boise and Utah and TCU winning all those BCS games never happened.

It will never cease to amaze me how a segment of CFB fans are so resistant to seeing the sport join every other sport on the planet and give every team that participates a chance to win, and are so resistant to a decent sized playoff that would generate far more interest and excitement than what we have now. Clinging to myths like the excitement of a regular season which is probably the least exciting regular season in all of sports not called the NBA. No sir, for some reason we have to protect these sacred regular season games that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to 90% of the teams by the first week of October.

THE CARTEL is dying, people are tired of it, the castle is crumbling. The world evolves, sports evolve, people want to be entertained, ratings for bowl games are sliding, none of the games matter besides the BCS Championship and people are catching on. People are catching on that teams that don't even win their division should not get auto bids to championship games. People are tired of being force fed a system that makes things less fun for everybody involved. It's over. There will be a playoff, and one day it will have 8 teams or more. Accept it. Embrace it. The sport will be much, much, better for it.

This.

:lol: at a 32 team tournament.


I for one would watch the Sun Belt take on the SEC. Especially if it was in a tournament and meant something.

 

[Rayman]

I think they should just name a champion at the end of every season. No tournament, no BCS, no bowls. Just arbitrarily name a champion. Nothing would be more exciting than finding out who the best team is via ESPN crawl on Monday morning. Who needs more games? I mean, this is SERIOUS BUSINESS, it's not like this is supposed to be entertainment, or anything. Just let those computers do their computations and figure out who to give the trophy to. Shit, let's take this a step further and just have Phil Steele or Rivals or some other geek tell us who the best team is after spring practice, and forego the entire season. We, as fans, do not want our champion determined on the field. Hell no! Fuck these wacky WAC teams, even if they go unbeaten. Who did those pussies play, anyway? They don't deserve shit, because, well, they just don't. Because let's face it, they would never ever ever win. Sports never has upsets. Ever. Experts and pundits are never wrong. Ever. Boise and Utah and TCU winning all those BCS games never happened.

It will never cease to amaze me how a segment of CFB fans are so resistant to seeing the sport join every other sport on the planet and give every team that participates a chance to win, and are so resistant to a decent sized playoff that would generate far more interest and excitement than what we have now. Clinging to myths like the excitement of a regular season which is probably the least exciting regular season in all of sports not called the NBA. No sir, for some reason we have to protect these sacred regular season games that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to 90% of the teams by the first week of October.

THE CARTEL is dying, people are tired of it, the castle is crumbling. The world evolves, sports evolve, people want to be entertained, ratings for bowl games are sliding, none of the games matter besides the BCS Championship and people are catching on. People are catching on that teams that don't even win their division should not get auto bids to championship games. People are tired of being force fed a system that makes things less fun for everybody involved. It's over. There will be a playoff, and one day it will have 8 teams or more. Accept it. Embrace it. The sport will be much, much, better for it.

Also, just throwing it out there but IMO, 32 is way too high a number. Go with 16, that way all your conference champs get in and you satisfy the mouthbreathers who say their SEC team that just missed winning the SEC title is better than that "scrub team from the WAC".

 

[FirstTimer]

Also, just throwing it out there but IMO, 32 is way too high a number. Go with 16, that way all your conference champs get in and you satisfy the mouthbreathers(Pand) who say their SEC team that just missed winning the SEC title is better than that "scrub team from the WAC".

Fixed.

 

[TuxedoYoda]

I strongly disagree with everything you've said. If FCS can do it, so can FBS. If CBB can do it, so can the FBS.

Give me 32 teams. Take all the conference winners, plus a number of at-large teams chosen by a committee and let's fucking rock for 5 weeks of FBS Football. Cut the regular season down to 10 games if you have to. We need this kind of tourney.

You are thinking about this like a fan. Think about it like a University President or an AD. You are asking every school to give up 2 games and a ton of money made from those games - not going to happen.

 

[BrntO4Life]

You are thinking about this like a fan. Think about it like a University President or an AD. You are asking every school to give up 2 games and a ton of money made from those games - not going to happen.

So think about it like a selfish crony? No can do.

 

[Senser81]

68 team tournament. 4 play-in games. Games on Thursday/Saturday & Friday/Sunday.

 

[Senser81]

CBB is one of the only sports where a team could lose EVERY regular season game and still make a conference tournament and then the championship tournament. Yep, their regular season matters.

LOL at "still make a conference tournament and then the championship tournament". You seem to gloss over that the hypothetical winless team would still have to win every game in their conference tournament just to make the championship tournament. Then that same hypothetical winless team would have to win every game in the championship tournament. If that is your reason for naysaying a CFB playoff, then God help you.

And be that as it may, at least the hypothetical winless team will have earned their title by taking on all comers and winning their final 11-12 games in a row. Compare that to Alabama, who didn't even win their own division, and in fact were able to avoid their conference championship game, which even more ridiculously worked out to their advantage. How is Alabama being gifted a spot in the national championship game make the CFB regular season more "meaningful" than the CBB regular season??

The logic is completely wrong. In CBB, the teams use the regular season to gain one of the 64/68 spots in the championship tournament. Thats why the regular season is meaningful. In CFB, teams use the regular season to avoid losses and hope that they gain a spot in the championship game. The CFB regular season is almost completely devoid of meaning.

 

[Sven Draconian]

LMAO at the idea that the CFB season is more "meaningful" than any other regular season.

Those Boise State games sure have been meaningful.
Colorado and Colorado State, just full of meaning.
Toledo/BGSU, so much at stake. So meaningful.
UCLA vs USC to end the season. Captivating with so much on the line.

And who can forget that epic LSU/Bama battle in November, that cleared the way for an LSU national championship.

:gtfo:

For any team outside of the Big 10, SEC, Pac 10 or is Oklahoma/Texas the regular season is completely meaningless. You have about 10-15 teams playing for a championship every season, and 10 of those are eliminated by mid-October. Then you have 5 teams left jockying for the ability to whine about the system.

There were 23 meaningful college football games last season. 12 for LSU and 11 for 'Bama (obviously, actually playing each other was meaningless).

My personal preference is a 16 team playoff (like FCS/II/III). Put the conference champs in (12 I think?) and a few at-larges to round it out. Play the games at a teams home stadium. Now teams are playing for home field advantage in the regular season, so all those games matter (*Gasp*). Neutral site championship (play it at the Rose Bowl).

You can still trot out 25 bowl games (which have the exact same meaning they have now). That way I have something to watch Wednesday afternoons in December.

 

[FirstTimer]

LMAO at the idea that the CFB season is more "meaningful" than any other regular season.

Those Boise State games sure have been meaningful.
Colorado and Colorado State, just full of meaning.
Toledo/BGSU, so much at stake. So meaningful.
UCLA vs USC to end the season. Captivating with so much on the line.

And who can forget that epic LSU/Bama battle in November, that cleared the way for an LSU national championship.

:gtfo:

For any team outside of the Big 10, SEC, Pac 10 or is Oklahoma/Texas the regular season is completely meaningless. You have about 10-15 teams playing for a championship every season, and 10 of those are eliminated by mid-October. Then you have 5 teams left jockying for the ability to whine about the system.

There were 23 meaningful college football games last season. 12 for LSU and 11 for 'Bama (obviously, actually playing each other was meaningless).

My personal preference is a 16 team playoff (like FCS/II/III). Put the conference champs in (12 I think?) and a few at-larges to round it out. Play the games at a teams home stadium. Now teams are playing for home field advantage in the regular season, so all those games matter (*Gasp*). Neutral site championship (play it at the Rose Bowl).

You can still trot out 25 bowl games (which have the exact same meaning they have now). That way I have something to watch Wednesday afternoons in December.

:wub:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

To sum up this supposed sanctity of the CFB regular season, we had the latest "game of the century" this past season between LSU & Alabama, and the game proved to be 1000% meaningless.

In fact, as senser pointed out, all it did was allow Bama to skip the SEC Title game, and thus avoid a chance to "lose last" and miss the BCS Title game. LSU got totally screwed by beating Bama, because they had to play the extra game and risk losing last!

There is absolutely nothing right with anything CFB does. Nothing. It's all wrong. All of it.