Madden CPU's draft logic

[Bear Pand]

Interesting thread on OS.
http://www.operationsports.com/foru.../506420-cpu-cheating-draft-logic-exposed.html

Guy is claiming the computer drafts like this:

-Sorts all players by OVR then goes down the list.
-If the player at the top of the list has a higher OVR than that team's current starter (at the same position) it drafts them.
-Otherwise it just moves on to the next player.

Says it's the reason that same punter keeps getting drafted so early: he is 85 OVR and a lot of teams don't have a starting punter rated that high.

Seems reasonable can't test if it's true though since I don't have the game.

 

[EmpireWF]

Dang it.

This may cause me to forego using NCAA draft classes and just go with CPU generated ones in my chise (or...I'll use the draft classes but see if I can controll all teams for the draft).

 

[FirstTimer]

That's what I do, control 32 teams and only Draft for the teams.

Make a list of 5 player that fit a need for them. And use a random generator to pick the player.

Hook me up?

 

[G-men]

Hook me up?

http://www.random.org/lists/

 

[G-men]

What G-Men posted.


Example on what I do.

Say the Redskins have the 1st pick in the 2012 draft in the franchise. And they need a fit for QB, LT and wildcard of a DE. I would throw these 5 names in the generator:

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Matt Kalil
Jonathan Martin
Quinton Coples

And whoever name comes up 1st is what the draft pick will be.

I even do this for my own team so I don't get the number 1 person that I had on my own board.

This is a great idea. I'm definitely doing this in my personal franchise for the first 2 or 3 rounds so no teams do anything stupid.

 

[St. Francisco]

I'm really torn right now...using imported draft classes adds a boatload of realism, but they are once again cookie cutter. Every single player in the first round is 80+ OVR with A potential, and it just goes down the line after that. There are no late round gems, EVER. You might as well trade away your 4th-7th round picks.

Using Madden generated classes allows you to have first round busts and late round gems, but you can't really look at their history. One thought I had was using Madden generated classes, then editing the names to reflect real players...but that's a lot of work. I dunno.

 

[G-men]

I'm really torn right now...using imported draft classes adds a boatload of realism, but they are once again cookie cutter. Every single player in the first round is 80+ OVR with A potential, and it just goes down the line after that. There are no late round gems, EVER. You might as well trade away your 4th-7th round picks.

Using Madden generated classes allows you to have first round busts and late round gems, but you can't really look at their history. One thought I had was using Madden generated classes, then editing the names to reflect real players...but that's a lot of work. I dunno.

That's always been the problem for me. Late round picks have been useless in Madden for years.

 

[ryne candy]

I'm really torn right now...using imported draft classes adds a boatload of realism, but they are once again cookie cutter. Every single player in the first round is 80+ OVR with A potential, and it just goes down the line after that. There are no late round gems, EVER. You might as well trade away your 4th-7th round picks.

Using Madden generated classes allows you to have first round busts and late round gems, but you can't really look at their history. One thought I had was using Madden generated classes, then editing the names to reflect real players...but that's a lot of work. I dunno.

I was thinking of doing this (if possible). What can you actually change? Is it names only or can you change looks (ie skin color)? As long as Luck is a dark hair white guy, that is good enough for me.

 

[Bear Pand]

What G-Men posted.


Example on what I do.

Say the Redskins have the 1st pick in the 2012 draft in the franchise. And they need a fit for QB, LT and wildcard of a DE. I would throw these 5 names in the generator:

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Matt Kalil
Jonathan Martin
Quinton Coples

And whoever name comes up 1st is what the draft pick will be.

I even do this for my own team so I don't get the number 1 person that I had on my own board.

I was planning on doing this for Free Agents.

Write down each team I'd think the player would go to. Maybe weight some teams more heavily than others) and let a RNG choose.

No idea how 32 teams + skipping the FA bidding would worth though.

I'm really torn right now...using imported draft classes adds a boatload of realism, but they are once again cookie cutter. Every single player in the first round is 80+ OVR with A potential, and it just goes down the line after that. There are no late round gems, EVER. You might as well trade away your 4th-7th round picks.

Plus they foolishly kept the draft class sizes the same while expanding the Madden roster sizes. So the UDFAs you end up signing after the draft aren't even from the imported class. Makes no sense.

 

[DJ Rhude]

What's cool about franchise this year is you can switch the number of teams you can control each off-season......I'll probably play it by ear by starting off just controlling one team and if I see the the cpu is making stupid decisions I'll jump in at off-season and try to rectify it

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Fuckin adembroski. Do better, shun. Same shit, different year.

How hard is it to code the CPU to not even look at kickers and punters until the third-fourth round, regardless of overall, same with fullbacks and shit of that nature.

How hard is it, just to have guys come in at one overall, and that's it? They try to make it "random" and its to a detriment. I import a draft class because I want the realism that I am bringing in, not what the game wants. If I wanted what the game wanted, I'd use a game generated class...which, might actually be better to use at this stage.

They just never fix CPU draft AI and they never fix how to import classes. Stuff has been going on for many years. Same issues, different year.

F.

 

[EmpireWF]

Someone at OS apparently found a fix for the problem with imported draft classes being selected purely by OVR.

I DID IT!!!

A hands-off, imported draft where kickers and punters aren't first round picks, teams with rising star QBs don't take a new one, and the whole thing took me less than ten minutes to prep.

The rules: All draft priorities default at 100. All kickers and punters moved to 0 priority. Teams with "future star" at QB get a QB priority of 0.

That's it. That's all it took!

Here was the top ten list:

QB Wheeden
QB Luck
P Butler
SS Barron
ROLB Bradham
RE Brown
QB Lindley
LT Potter
RT Lawrence.
FS Jackson

Bengals have a rising star QB, so they skipped Wheeden, Luck, and Butler to take SS Barron with the first pick. Bills lost Fitzpatrick to the Raiders, so they took QB Wheeden. Seahawks were a mess, so they took QB Luck. FS Jackson, projected to be in the top ten, fell all the way to 17.

And Punter Drew Butler, projected to go number three? NEVER DRAFTED. At all. One kicker was taken in the 7th round. That's it!

The first round draft picks:

Bengals: SS Mark Barron, Alabama
Bills: QB Brandon Wheeden, OK State (Lost Fitzpatrick to Raiders)
Seahawks: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
Raiders: ROLB Nigel Bradham, Florida State
Browns: RE Vince Browne, Northwestern
Buccs: LT Nate Botter, Boise State
Panthers: RT Addison Lawrence (Note they skipped QB Lindley. Don't need him!)
Dolphins: QB Ryan Lindley, San Diego State
Lions: QB Landry Jones, Oklahoma (Stafford is injury prone and underperforming)
Giants: LT Donald Stevenson, Oklahoma
Vikings: SS Brandon Taylor, LSU
49ers: WR Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina
Jaguars: WR Devier Posey, Ohio State
Eagles: MLB Jerry Franklins
Cowboys: SS George Iloka, Boise State
Saints: RT Mark Asper, Oregon
Chiefs: FS Damien Jackson, Ole Miss (Fell out of the top 10!)
Ravens: WR Derek Moye, Penn State
Texans: FS Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
Chargers: DT Tydreke Powell, North Carolina
Cardinals: HB Trent Richardson, Alahama
Patriots: RE Shea McClellin, Boise State
Rams: FS Kenny Tate, Maryland
Colts: CB Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma
Jets: LOLB Audie Cole, North Carolina State (projected 2nd round)
Packers: FS Robert Lester, Alabama
Broncos: HB Marc Tyler, USC
Bears: DT Marcus Forston, Miami (projected 2nd round)
Redskins: QB Dominique Davis, East Carolina
Titans: LOLB Steven Johnson, Kansas (projected 2nd round)
Steelers: FS Sam Proctor, Oklahoma
Falcons: FS Neiko Thorpe, Auburn

(projected 1st rounder HB Polk fell to around the 10th pick of the second round).

Conclusions: It works, and takes 10 minutes to implement!

 

[FirstTimer]

Awesome find Empire

 

[Rayman]

Someone at OS apparently found a fix for the problem with imported draft classes being selected purely by OVR.

I was just going to suggest doing that. I did it in previous iterations and it helped slightly at other positions.

Good stuff.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Here is the only problem I am having. Prior to starting my 'chise, I set control to all 32 teams, but, I tried to set everything to CPU except for the Dolphins, who I am controlling, and if you change the settings for one team, it changes them for all. So, my question is, how can I take control of all 32 teams, change the settings to CPU for 31 of them and keep control of the Dolphins?

 

[Hitman]

Have to go in and change the stuff for the one team, back out to the main screen, change the team, then go in and change for that team. Wash, rinse, repeat. Only time you can change who you control is in the Owner Mode section of the offseason, so you'll need to wait for the next year to go back to only having Miami.

 

[Sharkweather]

Here is the only problem I am having. Prior to starting my 'chise, I set control to all 32 teams, but, I tried to set everything to CPU except for the Dolphins, who I am controlling, and if you change the settings for one team, it changes them for all. So, my question is, how can I take control of all 32 teams, change the settings to CPU for 31 of them and keep control of the Dolphins?

At the very beginning set everything to CPU so that when you get into the actual franchise all you have to do is change the team you want to control back to USER. Much quicker.