Mark Emmert, three months ago: "We will never pay the athletes"

[ZoneBlitz]

The schools would be in favor of the "rule" if it was ever created. Would it "need" to be? Maybe not.

Obviously not, which proves my point. End of discussion.

You're talking about such sweeping changes that there would be all sorts of new "rules" regulations/policies.

Inever said "OMGZ establish a rule". I just said let the kids pay for school then. After that you went all typical ZB nutjob on me and assumed a bunch of shit.

LOL @ backtracking, you obviously meant that a rule should be in place, and continued to defend it.

You were better in hiding.

Your posts alone make me wanna take another 3 year break.

 

[FirstTimer]

Obviously not, which proves my point. End of discussion.

"Maybe" doesn't prove your point. Because it "might" be needed.

So as usual, you've proved nothing.

LOL @ backtracking,

:lolwut:

I never once said "create a rule". In fact I ignored your initial question of if I was in favor of one.

Nice try.

you obviously meant that a rule should be in place

Nope.

Your posts alone make me wanna take another 3 year break.

Happy to help shit head.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

"Maybe" doesn't prove your point. Because it "might" be needed.

So as usual, you've proved nothing.

So again I ask you, why *might* you need a rule to stop colleges from doing something they "dont" wanna do?

Zero logic.

 

[FirstTimer]

So again I ask you, why *might* you need a rule to stop colleges from doing something they "dont" wanna do?

I never said the rule would be "needed". In fact I implied that the exact fucking opposite could be true.

Me: Would it "need" to be? Maybe not.


Nice work.

:clap:

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Why do we need rules for half the shit the NCAA has rules for?

I never said the rule would be "needed" anyways. In fact I implied that the exact fucking opposite could be true.

Me: Would it "need" to be? Maybe not.


Nice work.

:clap:

You're the one who suggested this rule, and then backed off to only say it might be needed, and you still cant even answer why.

You bore me with your tactics to defend your lack of logic, Im done here.

 

[FirstTimer]

You're the one who suggested this rule

I never suggested any rule.

I suggested letting the kids pay for their own schooling.

That doesn't have to be a rule.

I already said that...TWICE.

Awesome.

and then backed off to only say it might be needed

I never "backed off" anything. You asked me why it(a rule) would be needed and I basically said it "might not be".

God you're fucking stupid.

and you still cant even answer why.

Why would I care? Who even said I'd be in favor of the rule existing if I openly acknowldge it "may not" be needed?

The only thing I've been in favor for is letting the kids pay for school if your Mad Max CFB world existed.

By what means or rules, I don't know(as evidenced by the fact that I don't know if any rule would even be needed), nor do I care.

You bore me with your tactics to defend your lack of logic, Im done here.

So you're leaving for another 3 years?

Thank God.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

So you're leaving for another 3 years?

Thank God.

No im just done with this discussion and probably any other discussion that involves you, there is only so much stupidity & assholeness that i can take.

 

[FirstTimer]

Im done here.

No im just done with this discussion and probably any other discussion that involves you, there is only so much stupidity & assholeness that i can take.

:rolling:

:rofl:

Classic "I'm done"..................well excpet I'll keep posting.

Nice to see things still have changed with ZB.

Still a tard, who can't read.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

:rolling:

:rofl:

Classic "I'm done"..................well excpet I'll keep posting.

Nice to see things still have changed with ZB.

Still a tard, who can't read.

Honestly i dont see the need for name calling, i can understand messing around & having a good debate & even arguing because i was an expert at all that, but you're taking it too far and im not interested in going down that route. Maybe i have changed over these years but i dont see the point for all this, i just wanted to discuss the issue at hand.

 

[FirstTimer]

Honestly i dont see the need for name calling

:learnvsn:

:rolling:

:rofl:

Classic "I'm done"..................well except I'll keep posting.

Nice to see things still have changed with ZB.

Want to discuss the issue?

Learn to read.

 

[Senser81]

Poor zoneblitz. Reminds me of when Bjorn Borg tried to comeback to tennis while still using a wooden racket.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Poor zoneblitz. Reminds me of when Bjorn Borg tried to comeback to tennis while still using a wooden racket.

Im not interested in bickering & being the old heel-turn zoneblitz anymore, that was just a gimmick because i liked messing around. I actually wanted to discuss this thread topic because im interested in it. I asked FirstTimer a question twice and both times he refused to answer & continued with the insulting/bickering. No thanks.

 

[Diivox]

Poor Kirk Cousins.

Oh hey, Kirk. Your "job" is football. It's paying for school. Excuse if I don't weep for you not having $100k in debt when I write my bills at the end of the month and my wife and I are paying back her loans while you are counting pennies at the gas station, while only a few months from getting a contract with the NFL.

Apples and Oranges. You and I are not in the same universe as a collegiate/professional athlete. our situation is completely different and does not apply to sports. Period. When you and are in school, we are LEARNING how to make money. When a dude straps on a football helmet, he IS making money, lots and lots of it. They are glorified interns, except a typical intern doesnt earn his employers 900 million dollars a year (nor does the average intern put his body on the line like football players do, and nor does he risk being totally unable to work in his field everytime he goes to work)

Now, I think the simple solution is to offer football only scholarships. if dudes really dont want the education, why shove it down their throat? if a guy is only there to play football, dont give him a scholarship, just let him play football and let him make his own money. I never really understood why the NCAA forces guys to sit through, say, an archaeology class, when he's there to learn how to be a professional athlete. It would be like making someone who is studying to be a doctor go field punts.

On the other hand, if someone wished to be a true student athlete and actually valued their education, then ok, give him the scholarship and make him play by the rules, but I see nothing wrong in "Majoring in football" so to speak.

 

[leaffan]

Apples and Oranges. You and I are not in the same universe as a collegiate/professional athlete. our situation is completely different and does not apply to sports. Period. When you and are in school, we are LEARNING how to make money. When a dude straps on a football helmet, he IS making money, lots and lots of it. They are glorified interns, except a typical intern doesnt earn his employers 900 million dollars a year (nor does the average intern put his body on the line like football players do, and nor does he risk being totally unable to work in his field everytime he goes to work)

Now, I think the simple solution is to offer football only scholarships. if dudes really dont want the education, why shove it down their throat? if a guy is only there to play football, dont give him a scholarship, just let him play football and let him make his own money. I never really understood why the NCAA forces guys to sit through, say, an archaeology class, when he's there to learn how to be a professional athlete. It would be like making someone who is studying to be a doctor go field punts.

On the other hand, if someone wished to be a true student athlete and actually valued their education, then ok, give him the scholarship and make him play by the rules, but I see nothing wrong in "Majoring in football" so to speak.

Comparing an intern to a football player the way you did is beyond bad.

Football "teams" make money. One individual player does not make everything. (unless they're peyton manning apparantly)

Football players out of any of them need to have an education to fall back on simply because the sport brings them in and then spits them out and the way most of these players have no ability to save money at least they have an education to fall back on when they are out.

I'd honestly would love to know what % of football players when done with their careers move onto some other form of "normal" work as we know it. Not everyone can become a tv analyst or coach can they?

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Comparing an intern to a football player the way you did is beyond bad.

Football "teams" make money. One individual player does not make everything. (unless they're peyton manning apparantly)

Football players out of any of them need to have an education to fall back on simply because the sport brings them in and then spits them out and the way most of these players have no ability to save money at least they have an education to fall back on when they are out.

I'd honestly would love to know what % of football players when done with their careers move onto some other form of "normal" work as we know it. Not everyone can become a tv analyst or coach can they?

Probably the same % of baseball players in the minor leagues that never make it to the big leagues, but at least they got paid for playing baseball right out of high school.

If baseball players have the right to skip education & just play (in the minor leagues), so should football players (in the NCAA which is the NFL's minor league).

It shouldnt be the NCAA's job to cram education & abstinence from money down players throats. NCAA is nothing more than a glorified minor league with forced education & no money.

 

[Diivox]

Football players out of any of them need to have an education to fall back on simply because the sport brings them in and then spits them out and the way most of these players have no ability to save money at least they have an education to fall back on when they are out.

I'd honestly would love to know what % of football players when done with their careers move onto some other form of "normal" work as we know it. Not everyone can become a tv analyst or coach can they?

Not your decision to make. If an athlete doesn't give a fuck about his education and wants to focus strictly on being an athlete, that his choice. Sure, the 3rd stringers, the walk ons, they need the education, they are truly "amateurs" but a guy like Cam Newton was never going to stay for his degree. You think Trent Richardson gives a fuck about his post football career? Andrew Luck? these guys ARE professional athletes and should be paid accordingly.

let's not pretend academics has anything to do with sports. academics are a whitewash to justify the obscene amounts of money the NCAA makes. the NFL supports it just because its a basically free farm system where everyone gets paid except for the people that make the money.

 

[shag773]

Not your decision to make. If an athlete doesn't give a fuck about his education and wants to focus strictly on being an athlete, that his choice. Sure, the 3rd stringers, the walk ons, they need the education, they are truly "amateurs" but a guy like Cam Newton was never going to stay for his degree. You think Trent Richardson gives a fuck about his post football career? Andrew Luck? these guys ARE professional athletes and should be paid accordingly.

let's not pretend academics has anything to do with sports. academics are a whitewash to justify the obscene amounts of money the NCAA makes. the NFL supports it just because its a basically free farm system where everyone gets paid except for the people that make the money.

I think the point that everyone is missing is because of Title IX it would make it impossible to pay male football and basketball players without offering the same stipend to a backup field hockey player, which is not economically viable.

I love college football and basketball, but the NCAA are a bunch of hypocrites. They pontificate about how student athletes need to follow the rules, but they vigorously recruit players who have no business stepping into a college classroom.

If they want to be serious about cleaning up the game then I would suggest bringing in student athletes that would actually be accepted to your school under normal circumstances and want to follow the rules.

But I'm not sure how ESPN, CBS, FOX, and all their corporate sponsers would react to that. So until then the NCAA will continue to keep forcing square pegs into round holes.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

If they want to be serious about cleaning up the game then I would suggest bringing in student athletes that would actually be accepted to your school under normal circumstances and want to follow the rules.

That would destroy college & pro football, most of the best players wouldnt qualify.

 

[FirstTimer]

Apples and Oranges. You and I are not in the same universe as a collegiate/professional athlete. our situation is completely different and does not apply to sports. Period. When you and are in school, we are LEARNING how to make money. When a dude straps on a football helmet, he IS making money, lots and lots of it. They are glorified interns, except a typical intern doesnt earn his employers 900 million dollars a year (nor does the average intern put his body on the line like football players do, and nor does he risk being totally unable to work in his field everytime he goes to work)

LOL at "apples to oranges" then going on to compare college football players to glorified interns.


Also, guess what he's getting a free damn education so yeah he's making "alot" of money. Kirk Cousins could be on MSU for 4 or 5 years. Strap up a helmet every Saturday and "make" 25K a year and at the end of four years have a degree from a Big10 institution with NO DEBT.

Poor poor college football stars.



You think the college game isn't teaching the kid how to make money? Hint* These players learn and develop into NFL level players.

 

[FirstTimer]

Im not interested in bickering & being the old heel-turn zoneblitz anymore, that was just a gimmick because i liked messing around. I actually wanted to discuss this thread topic because im interested in it. I asked FirstTimer a question twice and both times he refused to answer & continued with the insulting/bickering. No thanks.

Quit being a fucking baby. I ignored your question, then answered it later on. I even had to point out the fact that I answered it because you were too :rage: over something I never even said to notice.

Learn to read or STFU.