Mark Emmert, three months ago: "We will never pay the athletes"

[Senser81]

I dont see why players should be forced to study when they dont want to.

And I don't see why professors should be forced to teach classes when they don't want to.

One time when I was a kid, I was at the grocery store and I saw that if you bought a box of cereal you would get the free toy that was inside! I spent hours negotiating with the grocery store management, because I didn't want the box of cereal, I just wanted the toy. In the end, I had to buy the box of cereal. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

 

[Senser81]

No they are not getting paid money, they are given an education which many of them dont want & wont need.

Let me guess....you were the guy I knew who out of high school took a manager job at Best Buy and then taunted me constantly when I went to college, "Because while you're at college...I'M MAKING MONEY!!"

Quit being a slacker, McFly.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

And I don't see why professors should be forced to teach classes when they don't want to.

One time when I was a kid, I was at the grocery store and I saw that if you bought a box of cereal you would get the free toy that was inside! I spent hours negotiating with the grocery store management, because I didn't want the box of cereal, I just wanted the toy. In the end, I had to buy the box of cereal. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

The professor can take his talents somewhere else.

The NCAA has stuffed players dreams of the NFL in a cereal box in which they must attend school & pass classes in order to reach. Why?

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Let me guess....you were the guy I knew who out of high school took a manager job at Best Buy and then taunted me constantly when I went to college, "Because while you're at college...I'M MAKING MONEY!!"

Quit being a slacker, McFly.

You went to college because you wanted a degree, many ncaa players dont care about a degree.

 

[Senser81]

You know its both.

LOL at this to the highest degree.

You are an NFL scout. Which prospect is more impressive?

The guy who attended Florida State, received instruction from the finest coaches in America, worked out at top-rate facilities while being overseen by strength trainers, competed against the top athletes in his sport, but was "distracted" by his obligation to attend class?

Or the guy who didn't go to college, listened to his ex-athlete dad, spent some time at the local YMCA, played some touch-football game against his friends, but thought about football 24 hours a day?

 

[ZoneBlitz]

LOL at this to the highest degree.

You are an NFL scout. Which prospect is more impressive?

The guy who attended Florida State, received instruction from the finest coaches in America, worked out at top-rate facilities while being overseen by strength trainers, competed against the top athletes in his sport, but was "distracted" by his obligation to attend class?

Or the guy who didn't go to college, listened to his ex-athlete dad, spent some time at the local YMCA, played some touch-football game against his friends, but thought about football 24 hours a day?

I never said ncaa players were "distracted" (if i was FirstTimer i would argue with you endlessly about that), i simply said minor league players focus on their sport & dont have to worry about school.

 

[Senser81]

You went to college because you wanted a degree, many ncaa players dont care about a degree.

Thats nice. And I go to work because I want to get paid...I don't really care about the job itself.

Boom! Thats reality hitting you like a 50-yard Billy Cundiff field goal, bitch!

 

[ralaw]

So, what Zone and Diivox are basically saying is that athletes (at least the elite players) should be hired by the university and not be students? I really don't see any issues with that. Given the fact that the entire system is pretty shady anyways who really cares. Those players could then earn endorsement deals as well. On the flip side some colleges pay graduate students, whille they work on acquiring grants for the schools, so students who make money for the schools are being paid.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Thats nice. And I go to work because I want to get paid...I don't really care about the job itself.

Boom! Thats reality hitting you like a 50-yard Billy Cundiff field goal, bitch!

How many of these retarded examples are you gonna throw at me?

 

[ZoneBlitz]

So, what Zone and Diivox are basically saying is that athletes (at least the elite players) should be hired by the university and not be students? I really don't see any issues with that. Given the fact that the entire system is pretty shady anyways who really cares. On the flip side some colleges pay graduate students, whille they work on acquiring grants for the schools.

Except i wouldnt even require the university to pay the players, only to allow them to get their own money & gifts on the side, which boosters & fans are willing & eager to provide.

 

[Senser81]

How many of these retarded examples are you gonna throw at me?

One more...

The NCAA has stuffed players dreams of the NFL in a cereal box in which they must attend school & pass classes in order to reach. Why?

Because the NCAA is like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. She pretends to have standards even though she's a whore, because she doesn't want to just openly admit "Hey, I'm a whore!" The NCAA doesn't want to openly admit that colleges are whoring themselves out to make money in athletics.

Two things:

1) I have no problem with colleges making athletes University employees and being done with it. Cut the charade.

2) That said, a player would have to be in serious legal trouble to actually be kicked out of school. Its very rare that a college football player with NFL talent ever "flunks out" of school. So all this conjecture on your part is just that...conjecture.

 

[Houston]

So, what Zone and Diivox are basically saying is that athletes (at least the elite players) should be hired by the university and not be students? I really don't see any issues with that.

You make a lot more sense then they do, that's part of the issue.

Diivox is suggesting that it's possible to get a education free scholarship. I almost got a headache trying to make sense of it.

 

[ralaw]

You make a lot more sense then they do, that's part of the issue.

Diivox is suggesting that it's possible to get a education free scholarship. I almost got a headache trying to make sense of it.

Yeah, as Senser said, "cut the charade" treat them like employees and call it a day. They don't need a scholarship if they're hired by the school.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

One more...



Because the NCAA is like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. She pretends to have standards even though she's a whore, because she doesn't want to just openly admit "Hey, I'm a whore!" The NCAA doesn't want to openly admit that colleges are whoring themselves out to make money in athletics.

Two things:

1) I have no problem with colleges making athletes University employees and being done with it. Cut the charade.

2) That said, a player would have to be in serious legal trouble to actually be kicked out of school. Its very rare that a college football player with NFL talent ever "flunks out" of school. So all this conjecture on your part is just that...conjecture.

I agree with all that.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Yeah, as Senser said, "cut the charade" treat them like employees and call it a day. They don't need a scholarship if they're hired by the school.

Exactly, thats an easier way of saying what Diivox originally said which i agreed with and was defending.

 

[Senser81]

I agree with all that.

 

[Senser81]

Exactly, thats an easier way of saying what Diivox originally said which i agreed with and was defending.

Not really. Aside from other "sidebar" arguments, such as player focus issues and the large amounts of money made by minor league hockey players, both you and Vlade Diivox advocated that the players aren't paid by the school, but are free to make their own arrangements for getting paid by boosters and companies. That is an absolutely terrible idea. Who would have control over the players? What would stop a player from jumping from school to school on a weekly basis, just going to the highest bidder?

 

[FirstTimer]

Who would have control over the players? What would stop a player from jumping from school to school on a weekly basis, just going to the highest bidder?

Rules?

:megatroll:

 

[Diivox]

You make a lot more sense then they do, that's part of the issue.

Diivox is suggesting that it's possible to get a education free scholarship. I almost got a headache trying to make sense of it.

Scholarship probably wasnt the best word to use there. All I'm saying is, if a player says "fuck it, i just want to focus on my sports" he should be able to get paid and not have to go to class. There doesnt need to be an academic whitewash to star players, because everyone knows they arent there for a degree, they are there prepping for the NFL, and the NCAA gave them the "scholarship" as some kind of retarded justification for the obscene amounts of money they make. "End the charade".

Not really. Aside from other "sidebar" arguments, such as player focus issues and the large amounts of money made by minor league hockey players, both you and Vlade Diivox advocated that the players aren't paid by the school, but are free to make their own arrangements for getting paid by boosters and companies. That is an absolutely terrible idea. Who would have control over the players? What would stop a player from jumping from school to school on a weekly basis, just going to the highest bidder?

+1 for the Vlade reference

Do you really think this isnt happening now? Obviously players cant transfer from school to school willy nilly like that, but you really beleive that star players arent ALREADY going to the highest bidder? be it actual cash under the table, be it the cozy accomodations, be it the schools reputation for producing NFL players, favors to the family from boosters, "loaned" motor vehicles... Theres dirt underneath the fingernails of practically every major football factory/fat tv contract school in the nation.

Regardless of what you think about my suggestion, I think we can all agree that the system is a hypocritical sham and needs to be changed. I'd be interested to see what your suggestion to solve the problem is, since you're kind of just lambasting us for our ideas without really providing your own other than "im fine with them getting paid" which is essentially what we are saying, it just seems to me you are playing forum troll attacking our specifics, which is fine, thats what you do best, but just like the NCAA, we should call it what it is.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Which one of us is the dog and which is the person?