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Must read from SI: Confessions of an agent

I find it hard to beleive all the real big name players he 'talked to' never took his money. do you think for one second a self absorbed cunt like me-shawn johnson didn't take cash?

Did you not read the fucking article? He called out every single name who took money, why would he lie to protect Keyshawn? Sure, it's possible Keyshawn was getting paid from another agent (like Santonio Holmes). But if he said no to the article's source, and the article's source is saying he said no, what is there not to believe? Or did you just feel like judging someone because you're an insecure shit?
 
Did you not read the fucking article? He called out every single name who took money, why would he lie to protect Keyshawn? Sure, it's possible Keyshawn was getting paid from another agent (like Santonio Holmes). But if he said no to the article's source, and the article's source is saying he said no, what is there not to believe? Or did you just feel like judging someone because you're an insecure shit?

But..but...MeShawn was an asshole when he played for the Bucs and he's sooo annoying on NFL primetime!! He had to have taken the money!! :icecream:
 
I can't wait until I have a bit more time to read this. I read through a little bit, and it looked quite intriguing.
 
reggie bush wants to know if these players who admitted to taking money will be banished from the existence of their university

personally, i dont care if this agent or any person gives ncaa players money to gain their business. It may be against ncaa law, but its not against real law. maybe if the greedy ncaa didnt hog all the cash for themselves and allowed these players to have some form of a life while in school, they wouldnt have colleges and players cheating all the time. this kind of shit doesnt start with agents, it starts with the schools
 
ESPN's Player X responded:


By now you've probably heard about the accusations of Josh Luchs, the former agent who outed a bunch of NFL players for taking money in college. Guys I know in the league aren't really making a big deal out of it. Quite honestly, it's nothing we don't already know. Guys joke about getting paid in college all the time. They'll say things like, "Once you get to the pros, you take a pay cut." When Reggie Bush had to give back his Heisman, my teammates didn't even bat an eyelash. It wasn't a big deal that he was getting paid. Everybody knew about it. Guys just assume -- especially the ones from smaller schools -- that all the high draft picks from the big schools are getting paid. And to be honest, nobody really cares.

Once you get in the NFL, it's straight business. Say we have a team meeting, and a guy stands up and tells everyone that he took 100 grand from an agent while he was in college. His teammates will say, "Great, why didn't you get 200 grand?" Nobody would think it was wrong. They'd say, "Hell yeah, I would've taken that too." Guys in the league don't look down on it at all. The more money you can make, the better.

That's why the Sports Illustrated story wasn't a huge deal in the locker room when it came out. I was surprised the agent named all those names, but I wasn't surprised by what he said. I don't know if everything he said was the truth, but it wouldn't shock me if it was. It's kind of sad the way he played up his relationship with Ryan Leaf and how they were boys, because I doubt that Leaf ever thought the guy was his friend. He was probably just using him for his money, like everyone does. What's interesting is that Luchs named guys who didn't take money too, so it wouldn't surprise me if all the guys he claims took money actually did.

Personally, I never took money. Never had the chance, to be honest. I went to a big school, so people assume I was getting cash, but I wasn't. That's because the agents, the marketing people, the runners, they know who to approach and they knew that I wasn't that type of guy. I had a couple of buddies who were high picks too, and we weren't the types you were going to offer money. Agents knew we didn't need money and we weren't going to accept it if it came. They aren't stupid. They do their homework. They know that if they offer a guy like me money, I'd be willing to turn them over to compliance. On the flip side, they know which families are having trouble paying the mortgage. And they know that once you take that initial payment, bam -- they've got you hooked.

Looking back, I was naïve when I got to college. I never got offered money, so I thought it only happened in the movies. But then I started seeing guys from my school getting in trouble. Turns out there are plenty of college players who accept money, no questions asked. My NFL teammates tell me about guys they went to college with who were accepting huge amounts of cash, some as early as sophomore year. Based on what I know, it seems like a lot of what goes down happens in the south, especially in the SEC. One guy on my team who played in the SEC told me about a couple high profile guys on his team that took money. They'd have $70,000 or $80,000 hidden under their mattress or in their closet. Stuff like that apparently happens all the time. Like Luchs said, the money doesn't come all at once. It comes in installments. Kind of like an allowance. That way, a guy has a reason to talk to you every week or every month. As a college player, you couldn't care less about talking to an agent. But if you're taking his money, you're going to answer his calls.

Crazy thing is, I know of agents who have paid guys that are seventh-rounders or even undrafted free agents just to get to somebody else. They don't give these guys crazy money -- maybe they'll give them a $3,000 or $4,000 watch or a couple thousand dollars in cash. But they go after them because the seventh-rounder has a buddy on his college team who's a surefire first-rounder the following year. So they'll pay the seventh-rounder just to try to land that first-round pick the next year.

Whether you're a big fish or a little fish, it's assumed that if you take money from someone, you're signing with them when you get drafted. That's why Reggie Bush got screwed. He took money, and then ended up going with someone else. Whether it's an agent or a marketing firm, if you don't go with them, they get pissed. That's why I'd be reluctant to take money, because you know you're a slave to them for the first four or five years of your career. It's like the mafia. Usually guys are smart enough that they'll sign with the guy they got money from -- at least for a year or two -- to keep them off their back. It's like paying them off for what they got in college. Once they pay them off, then they can go elsewhere.

As for Luchs, guys around the league see him as a villain, as someone who's just trying to be famous or get paid. Why else would he tell this story? He claims it's about his kids and making sure he leaves them a good legacy, but he didn't have a legacy before this story. I guarantee you that the only guys who ever heard of him before this are the guys he was paying.


The only thing that raised my eyebrows was the $70-80,000 estimate. That's a ton of cash for a college kid.
 
Because nobody has come out publicly about it until now. Nobody is shocked, it's just interesting. Why is that so hard for you to understand?


no ones come out publicly untill now?

this is one of those things that schools/players get in trouble for all the time. Its been public knowledge.
 
70-80,000 bucks is a stretch, but at the same time, i really dont give a shit if a player takes money. i watched every game Reggie Bush played his Heisman season, and he deserves the award because he was like a man playing among boys. he was far and away the best player on the field and absolutely dominant. I dont give a shit if he showed up to practice in a bentley. Furthermore, these dudes are putting their lives on the line everytime they step onto a NCAA field, lining the pockets with millions for the university, and its mandatory to do it for 3 years before you get into the pros. why the hell should we force these dudes to attend classes for an education that they dont care about and wont use anyway? in every other way except for their wages, they are professional athletes while playing college football, so it doesnt really matter to me if they are compensated for their abilities.
 
read this a couple days ago. Incredibly insane. Like many others said this is incredibly intriguing because no one has ever come out and said shit like this. This guy is the definition of scum. I really don't care if a player took money because fuck me all of us would. Also, lol @ the Leaf story...dude is a fucking clown.
 
The NCAA players crying about it need to STFU.

Free housing , free education , free food , free books etc.

Without the scholarship most of them would be flipping burgers and and far worse off.
Your momma should get a job if she needs to pay the rent.

I dont blame NCAA players one lick for taking the money. But the whole we 'need' the money routine is just stupid.
 
The NCAA players crying about it need to STFU.

Free housing , free education , free food , free books etc.

Without the scholarship most of them would be flipping burgers and and far worse off.
Your momma should get a job if she needs to pay the rent.

I dont blame NCAA players one lick for taking the money. But the whole we 'need' the money routine is just stupid.

Typical ignorant stance on this. When was the last time you looked at the daily schedule for a college athlete these days? Even the guys playing FBS or DII are in meetings and/or the weight room for 8 hours out of the day. Plus 4 hours of class, then 2 hours of practice. Oh and you have to eat breakfast and dinner with the team too, so that's 45 minutes a meal ...

Add it all up, you're working a 9-5 job plus being a full-time college student, plus being a full-time body builder. Why the fuck wouldn't you want some compensation for that?

And the free education goes out the window once the "academic advisers" that every school employs get done with you. They steer almost every athlete to BS programs like Kinesiology or Education Studies and give them all the same bullshit coursework. Essentially, the athletes are roped off from the rest of the curriculum.

The education part is a sham, and so is the amateur part. We may as well bring one in line with the other and pay the athletes the same thing any other student worker gets paid. I made 6.83 an hour just to sit in a basement and dick around in with some editing equipment in between classes. I got press credentials to all sports events and press conferences and I got to eat lots of free food. Ended up with decent beer money every week once you factored in all the free food, plus the gas I saved with working in the same building as my classes.

If students like me can do all that leaching for $7 an hour, I would think the guys putting in 80-hour weeks for the good of the entire state are entitled to some walk around money as well.

If you don't want the athletes taking money from agents, pay them yourself and make it legitimate. It won't cut out every rogue booster or "street agent" who wants to line some teenager's pockets, but it will at least help reduce the practice, IMO.
 
Typical ignorant stance on this. When was the last time you looked at the daily schedule for a college athlete these days? Even the guys playing FBS or DII are in meetings and/or the weight room for 8 hours out of the day. Plus 4 hours of class, then 2 hours of practice. Oh and you have to eat breakfast and dinner with the team too, so that's 45 minutes a meal ...

Add it all up, you're working a 9-5 job plus being a full-time college student, plus being a full-time body builder. Why the fuck wouldn't you want some compensation for that?

And the free education goes out the window once the "academic advisers" that every school employs get done with you. They steer almost every athlete to BS programs like Kinesiology or Education Studies and give them all the same bullshit coursework. Essentially, the athletes are roped off from the rest of the curriculum.

The education part is a sham, and so is the amateur part. We may as well bring one in line with the other and pay the athletes the same thing any other student worker gets paid. I made 6.83 an hour just to sit in a basement and dick around in with some editing equipment in between classes. I got press credentials to all sports events and press conferences and I got to eat lots of free food. Ended up with decent beer money every week once you factored in all the free food, plus the gas I saved with working in the same building as my classes.

If students like me can do all that leaching for $7 an hour, I would think the guys putting in 80-hour weeks for the good of the entire state are entitled to some walk around money as well.

If you don't want the athletes taking money from agents, pay them yourself and make it legitimate. It won't cut out every rogue booster or "street agent" who wants to line some teenager's pockets, but it will at least help reduce the practice, IMO.


None of what you said proves a thing.

None of it means there momma shouldnt be paying her bills. None of it means they should be crying poverty.

Its fuckin college most people are scraping on bits and ramen noodles during college years.

Theres a ton of other college athletes with crazy schedules getting by.

There "Steered" towards BS classes because most of them were barely getting by in HighSchool. Theyd flunk out asap if they had to take "normal" classes.

I clearly said I dont blame them for taking the money. Its there..why not.
But that BS oh woe is the college athlete crap is nothing but a BS sobstory.
 
Typical ignorant stance on this. When was the last time you looked at the daily schedule for a college athlete these days? Even the guys playing FBS or DII are in meetings and/or the weight room for 8 hours out of the day. Plus 4 hours of class, then 2 hours of practice. Oh and you have to eat breakfast and dinner with the team too, so that's 45 minutes a meal ...

Add it all up, you're working a 9-5 job plus being a full-time college student, plus being a full-time body builder. Why the fuck wouldn't you want some compensation for that?

And the free education goes out the window once the "academic advisers" that every school employs get done with you. They steer almost every athlete to BS programs like Kinesiology or Education Studies and give them all the same bullshit coursework. Essentially, the athletes are roped off from the rest of the curriculum.

The education part is a sham, and so is the amateur part. We may as well bring one in line with the other and pay the athletes the same thing any other student worker gets paid. I made 6.83 an hour just to sit in a basement and dick around in with some editing equipment in between classes. I got press credentials to all sports events and press conferences and I got to eat lots of free food. Ended up with decent beer money every week once you factored in all the free food, plus the gas I saved with working in the same building as my classes.

If students like me can do all that leaching for $7 an hour, I would think the guys putting in 80-hour weeks for the good of the entire state are entitled to some walk around money as well.

If you don't want the athletes taking money from agents, pay them yourself and make it legitimate. It won't cut out every rogue booster or "street agent" who wants to line some teenager's pockets, but it will at least help reduce the practice, IMO.

What you say makes sense, but I think the reality is far different. When these NCAA players get money, they aren't spending it on food and laundry detergent. They are buying new cars, diamond earrings, etc. I think that is where your argument breaks down.
 
Not to mention, there are a lot of people that work part time or even full time while in college just so they can pay off their tuition or student loans.

Most of these athletes, especially football players, get more than enough to live comfortably. Any extra money is just going to go to tattoos and jewelry, fuck that. They've already been accepted and given a full scholarship (most likely over a student who had much better grades) and they're practically campus superstars.

Most of these guys are already narcissistic egomaniacs, last thing that should be done is to pay them for being schoolyard superstars.

As for them taking money from agents and what not, I really don't give a shit. Doesn't bother me. But the school shouldn't be paying them for playing a sport. Like I said, they get enough money and enough shit paid for to live comfortably.
 
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