NBA Random Thoughts

[Primetime]

BTW guys, if you want to talk about Kobe's killer instinct....sure he takes a lot of shots in the "clutch", but the guy shoots like 23% on those "clutch" shots.

 

[Loco]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/9951...sitting-on-the-mavs-bench-drinking-beers.html

 

[ralaw]

BTW guys, if you want to talk about Kobe's killer instinct....sure he takes a lot of shots in the "clutch", but the guy shoots like 23% on those "clutch" shots.

Most players "clutch" shot percentages are pretty low. I've always had a hard time accepting the concept of what it means to be considered "clutch". I honestly don't see the difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter or in the final seconds of the 4th. I believe Carmelo Anthony has a higher shooting percentage in what is considered a "clutch" moment then MJ and Kobe, but I'd still rather have Kobe and MJ take the shot as they are more creative scorers.

IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.

 

[dell71]

Most players "clutch" shot percentages are pretty low. I've always had a hard time accepting the concept of what it means to be considered "clutch". I honestly don't see the difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter or in the final seconds of the 4th. I believe Carmelo Anthony has a higher shooting percentage in what is considered a "clutch" moment then MJ and Kobe, but I'd still rather have Kobe and MJ take the shot as they are more creative scorers.

IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.

I have to disagree with this. There is a huge difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter and the last shot of the game. In the 1st, you know there are going to be 100 more shots hoisted up. Whether you make it or launch it into the 3rd row no one is going to point back to that shot as the reason your team won or lost. For the last shot, everyone is looking at you to decide the outcome right then and there. Not everyone wants that pressure or can succeed under that pressure. Some rise to the moment, others shrink from it. There is definitely such a thing as a clutch player. Clutch stats are what stat geeks created to try to quantify it.

 

[Bomberooski]

I love NBA League Pass Broadband

 

[Primetime]

Most players "clutch" shot percentages are pretty low. I've always had a hard time accepting the concept of what it means to be considered "clutch". I honestly don't see the difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter or in the final seconds of the 4th. I believe Carmelo Anthony has a higher shooting percentage in what is considered a "clutch" moment then MJ and Kobe, but I'd still rather have Kobe and MJ take the shot as they are more creative scorers.

IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.

Exactly why I put clutch in ""

 

[nwfisch]

:jonesy: at the Wizards trying to rebound.

 

[FirstTimer]

Lucas III channeling Tebow

 

[nwfisch]

Lucas III channeling Tebow

Lucas III was good for all 4 quarters :alone::highh:edro:
:wvubcs:

 

[FedEx227]

IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.

It's actually something they can't stand because it's so sample size based and inmeasurable. It's really anti stat geek in every way, shape or form.

In fact your idea of what clutch is is more in tune with what stat geeks think, while others seem to attribute clutch to something they hear a lot. David Ortiz is really clutch because he had a good player series. All be damned if his stats in big playoff games reflect his stats in all normal games are about the same but dammit remember in 2004... he's clutch.

LeBron has some bad fourth quarters and he instantly becomes un-clutch from the major media despite the fact overwhelming evidence shows he's just as good of a player in those situations.

There's also fluctuating clutch the major media tends to use as well. LeBron dominated the ECF, absolutely dominated the Bulls and was the reason they beat the Bulls. Then in the Finals he had a few bad games, do you think those were treated equally? Of course not. He instantly became un-clutch and couldn't get it done in the big game, despite getting it done in a ton of big games the entire year.

 

[Mogriffjr]

lol why Lucas jacking up so many shots...

 

[Bomberooski]

That was not a fun game to watch. First home loss for the Blazers.

 

[Rudi]

This Heat/Lob City game be hella good. brons FT shooting :lol:

 

[Bomberooski]

my stupid internet just froze on that replay! Was the ball on the way down there?

 

[Primetime]

Ball was on the way down. Shitty that it happened, but it did. What a great game. Heat FT shooting killed them.

 

[zack54attack]

John Lucas III for MVP.

 

[KnightNoles]

Clips!

Watched most of the first half and halftime then proceeded to sleep through the third and woke up with 4:00 left in the fourth to catch the rest

 

[ralaw]

I have to disagree with this. There is a huge difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter and the last shot of the game. In the 1st, you know there are going to be 100 more shots hoisted up. Whether you make it or launch it into the 3rd row no one is going to point back to that shot as the reason your team won or lost. For the last shot, everyone is looking at you to decide the outcome right then and there. Not everyone wants that pressure or can succeed under that pressure. Some rise to the moment, others shrink from it. There is definitely such a thing as a clutch player. Clutch stats are what stat geeks created to try to quantify it.

So, given Kobe's low shooting percentages in the "clutch" would you say he isn't clutch? Doubtful. I do agree with you in that the concept of being clutch gets to some guys, which causes them to not perform as they normally have, but its sad, because IMO being clutch is really only a fabrication.

It's actually something they can't stand because it's so sample size based and inmeasurable. It's really anti stat geek in every way, shape or form.

In fact your idea of what clutch is is more in tune with what stat geeks think, while others seem to attribute clutch to something they hear a lot. David Ortiz is really clutch because he had a good player series. All be damned if his stats in big playoff games reflect his stats in all normal games are about the same but dammit remember in 2004... he's clutch.

LeBron has some bad fourth quarters and he instantly becomes un-clutch from the major media despite the fact overwhelming evidence shows he's just as good of a player in those situations.

There's also fluctuating clutch the major media tends to use as well. LeBron dominated the ECF, absolutely dominated the Bulls and was the reason they beat the Bulls. Then in the Finals he had a few bad games, do you think those were treated equally? Of course not. He instantly became un-clutch and couldn't get it done in the big game, despite getting it done in a ton of big games the entire year.

Yeah, its amazing how a guy can go from being clutch to unclutch within a week.

 

[ralaw]

John Lucas was doing his best Derrick Rose impersonation last night. When I saw Rose wasn't playing I thought for a second the Wizards had a chance for good road win, but the game started and I quickly remembered it was the Wizards. Flip Saunders probably won't make it through the season.

You know its bad when the Mavericks are telling you you're old. The Celtics are old and play like it. I see an early playoff exit. However, if they can manage to keep the game close with their experience and savy they could win any game.

There were some horrible calls in the end of that Heat/Clippers game.

Andrew Bynum should be an All-Star this year.

 

[FedEx227]

lol why Lucas jacking up so many shots...

They didn't want to change the offense too much for one game so they basically just ran the exact same offense with John Lucas replacing Derrick Rose. Obviously, it was a pretty big mess but luckily the Wizards are an atrocious team, so it worked out.

HEEEEEEEEEEERES JOOOOOOOOOHNNNNNNY!