NFL is in Lock-Out Mode

[ralaw]

The players make tons of money too, no doubt about that. Its not their fault for the lockout though....that rests squarely on ownership.

Put it in perspective and ask yourself this......

You and your boss agree to a deal in which you are both happily making a bunch of money.

Three years later, your boss comes to you and says I want you to take a 20% pay cut and work 2 hours longer each day while doing a job that may leave you crippled.

Would you say yes for the greater good of the company?

Its my understanding that the CBA expired this year, so its time for a new agreement. This is the way it works in professional sports. They sign deals, but no one expects that deal to last a lifetime. As times change, economies change, revenue changes and with that contracts change.

 

[bucky]

The players make tons of money too, no doubt about that. Its not their fault for the lockout though....that rests squarely on ownership.

The players surely do take there share of fault in the current lockout. They agreed to the option out clause that was in the previous CBA.

Put it in perspective and ask yourself this......
You and your boss agree to a deal in which you are both happily making a bunch of money.
Three years later, your boss comes to you and says I want you to take a 20% pay cut and work 2 hours longer each day while doing a job that may leave you crippled.
Would you say yes for the greater good of the company?

Depends on how much I'm still making and what the risk is. That or I go FIND ANOTHER, safer, JOB.

I mean my boss/owner does own the company, not me.

People in the Military, Police, Fire, risk much more for much less.

You know, just to put things in perspective.

 

[ralaw]

Thats the issue. This went to the courts for litigation. Have you ever had to go to court for anything? This will operate at a snails pace, especially when each side has injuctions and appeals already set in place for what the other does. This will not be solved before the season begins unless they return to the table to negotiate. If it stays in the courts, it may be a year or longer before everything gets resolved.

Its only March, but the first injuction hearing isnt set until around the draft. Once a decision is reached, appeals follow. That is only for whether or not the lockout is legal. Appeals will be another month. So, after 2 months, we will know if the lockout is legal. Then comes the antitrust lawsuits. Another month before they are heard. Then the appeals.

After several months, no negotiations will have been held and all the courts will decide is leverage. They will still need to hammer out a deal.

Its going to get ugly........

I would be willing to bet a deal is done before the season......I understand how the courts work, but this is different. It will certainly get ugly, but the people involved are too greedy to lose money over this.

 

[killgod]

The players surely do take there share of fault in the current lockout. They agreed to the option out clause that was in the previous CBA.



Depends on how much I'm still making and what the risk is. That or I go FIND ANOTHER, safer, JOB.

I mean my boss/owner does own the company, not me.

People in the Military, Police, Fire, risk much more for much less.

You know, just to put things in perspective.

Want some perspective?

How much money do these owners make off of football without these specific players?


To answer....$LOL

You refer to these guys as regular employees that can be easily replaced. Which just isn't true. You can't replace a league of fuckin players in any reasonable amount of time.

 

[ralaw]

The CBA didnt expire. The owners voted on an opt out clause to make it expire. The CBA had 4 years left on it but the owners felt they werent making enough millions.

Either way the CBA expired, because one side had issues with it due to change. Eventually, there was going to be an issue. As I said this is the way this stuff works.

 

[bucky]

Dude, your in Wisconsin. Surely you are aware of the labor strife with the teachers union?

Sure I'm aware of it. If the Wisconsin Public Unions weren't so unreasonable, I may side with them. But like most Unions, they have gotten corrupt, powerful and unreasonable. We have a 3.6 billion dollar deficit, and the Unions didn't want to make concessions. In Wisconsin, teachers, firefighters, policemen don't have the right to choose whether they want to join a Union or pay Union dues. The Union, through taxpayer dollars, corruptly getting there public officials voted in, have union dues taken out BY THE STATE.

I'm VERY aware of what's going on in Wisconsin. Let employees have the choice of whether to join the union or not. I don't disagree with public employees helping pay for a portion of retirement and health care just like the public sector has to.

What does Wisconsin Union protesting have to do with the NFL?

 

[bucky]

Want some perspective?

I have perspective.

How much money do these owners make off of football without these specific players?
To answer....$LOL

The league may take a rating hit for a year to two, but young fans will always find new sports heroes. Unless there are other leagues to go to, the draft will happen next year, and those college athletes will be in the NFL. And many current players will come back.

If another league starts up, for the players to go to, that's even more football. With competition, maybe ticket prices will drop. With another league in place, I don't see salaries being able to stay where they are at. Maybe I would be able to go to/afford some NFL games.

You refer to these guys as regular employees that can be easily replaced. Which just isn't true. You can't replace a league of fuckin players in any reasonable amount of time.

Oh, they can be replaced. What do you consider a reasonable amount of time? They can be replaced. I'm a GB Packer fan no matter what names are on the back of the jerseys. They can be replaced.

I would much rather have the two sides work out a deal that is beneficial for both/all.

 

[bucky]

It has everything to do with this subject. You have two parties agreeing to something one year and shortly there after one party doesnt like their original decision and forces the other to tear it up, throw it away, and push their own proposals and agenda on the other.

Somewhat fair description of Wisconsin, but not the NFL. I have a fundamental and philosophical problem with a Govt agency being able to amend a currently existing CBA. Not at all what happened in the NFL. There was an opt out clause. If the players didn't want an opt out clause, they should not have agreed to it. NFL CBA situation not at all like Wisconsin teachers.

There are budget short falls and deficits in every state. We as people have lost perspective. Why the short falls? We as people dont have enough money. The corperations have the money and they get the tax breaks. Without the masses having enough, money doesnt get spent, and not enough tax money hits the pool.

And some states are on the verge of bankruptcy. Wisconsin is getting close and doesn't want to be one of them. About time politicians started to become fiscally responsible. And you are right, we the people have lost perspective. Money doesn't grow on trees, and we can't keep borrowing. Wisconsin politicians are finally getting it. You are also missing that w/o jobs there is no money spent and no tax income. I know Wisconsin has lost jobs to other states and other countries BECAUSE of union demands. Less jobs, more unemployment, less tax income, but more tax expenses. What we need are JOBS.

NFL has all the money. The players want their far share. The NFL wants more money. The players dont want to give more back. Its a job, a tough but very enjoyable job, but a job none the less. Average player gets 3 years in the league. They put their bodies at risk for now and the future.

I would want as much money as I could make from a multi billion dollar organization with the risks involved as well.

The players are already getting a fair share. There getting a TON of money.