Official Chicago Bears Forum Thread

[Saluki]

Shame on you and your lack of it.

LOL at getting all butthurt that you made an obviously false statement, I called you on it, and you get all pissy about it.

You need to chill, i dunno how u figure i was getting upset/pissy cuz i said 3 words, and as far as having a pro-bowl QB making him better im sure it did, but having a top 5 WR on the other side i think helps you just as much if not more, Take Kevin Walter, he put up almost 1000 yards and 8 TD's and it wasn't cuz Matt Schaub/Sage Rosenfelds are so amazing, it's cuz Andre Johnson commands the attention of the defense, just like Marshall, Moose had something like 1000 yards, not cuz Jake Delhomme is amazing, but cuz Steve Smith commands the attention of a defense. Nothing helps out a mediocre WR more than having an Elite WR on the other side of the field.

 

[FirstTimer]

You need to chill, i dunno how u figure i was getting upset/pissy cuz i said 3 words

Ok slugger. Sorry if I mistook your pissy little sarcasm as just that.

Next time you make a statement about a player make sure you are correct.

Eddie Royal a highly touted prospect LOL

and as far as having a pro-bowl QB making him better im sure it did, but having a top 5 WR on the other side i think helps you just as much if not more

And who helped make Brandon Marshall into a Top 5 WR? Who the hell cared about Brandon Marshall before Cutler started chucking him passes? Marshall was a 4th Rd WR out of Central Florida.

Take Kevin Walter, he put up almost 1000 yards and 8 TD's and it wasn't cuz Matt Schaub/Sage Rosenfelds are so amazing, it's cuz Andre Johnson commands the attention of the defense, just like Marshall, Moose had something like 1000 yards, not cuz Jake Delhomme is amazing, but cuz Steve Smith commands the attention of a defense. Nothing helps out a mediocre WR more than having an Elite WR on the other side of the field.

Gee ya think? Or I could point out that having an elite QB can make average WR's much better. I could point out whata guy like Marino did for his average WR corp in Miami, same with Elway his earlier seasons with the Broncos, etc.

I never even disagreed that having Marshall helped Royal. So I don't even know what point you are trying to make about Royal/Marshall/Cutler anymore. Having both Marshall and Cutler both helped Royal. No shit huh?

You've completely flipped your argument.

My original point was Cutler helps average WR's become better. I cited Eddie Royal.

Your proceed to tell me that Eddie Royal was a "highly touted prospect" thus saying Royal didn't really succeed because of Cutler, but because he was expected to do good anyways.

I point out the falsehood in your statement showing that Royal was not a highly touted prospect thus reaffirming my point that Cutler helped make an average prospect WR better.

You then say that it helped to have Brandon Marshall on the other side of Royal..which I didn't disagree with. Then again Marshall was a lightly regarded 4th Rd pick...so who helped make Marshall what he is?

So what's your point/argument? The Bears shouldn't take a WR in the 2nd Rd? Cutler doesn't make average WR's better as I orginally stated? Royal was or wasn't a highly touted prospect? Brandon Marshall wasn't a 4th Rd pick? The Bears should sign an elite WR? The Cutler trade was a mistake? You have no idea what you are talking about? Come on. Clafify.

 

[Saluki]

Ok slugger. Sorry if I mistook your pissy little sarcasm as just that.

Next time you make a statement about a player make sure you are correct.

Eddie Royal a highly touted prospect LOL


And who helped make Brandon Marshall into a Top 5 WR? Who the hell cared about Brandon Marshall before Cutler started chucking him passes? Marshall was a 4th Rd WR out of Central Florida.



Gee ya think? Or I could point out that having an elite QB can make average WR's much better. I could point out whata guy like Marino did for his average WR corp in Miami, same with Elway his earlier seasons with the Broncos, etc.

I never even disagreed that having Marshall helped Royal. So I don't even know what point you are trying to make about Royal/Marshall/Cutler anymore. Having both Marshall and Cutler both helped Royal. No shit huh?

You've completely flipped your argument.

My original point was Cutler helps average WR's become better. I cited Eddie Royal.

Your proceed to tell me that Eddie Royal was a "highly touted prospect" thus saying Royal didn't really succeed because of Cutler, but because he was expected to do good anyways.

I point out the falsehood in your statement showing that Royal was not a highly touted prospect thus reaffirming my point that Cutler helped make an average prospect WR better.

You then say that it helped to have Brandon Marshall on the other side of Royal..which I didn't disagree with. Then again Marshall was a lightly regarded 4th Rd pick...so who helped make Marshall what he is?

So what's your point/argument? The Bears shouldn't take a WR in the 2nd Rd? Cutler doesn't make average WR's better as I orginally stated? Royal was or wasn't a highly touted prospect? Brandon Marshall wasn't a 4th Rd pick? The Bears should sign an elite WR? The Cutler trade was a mistake? You have no idea what you are talking about? Come on. Clafify.

Your going way off base, if you could fucking read my argument from the beginning is that the Bears should go and get a proven WR in FA rather than depending on a rookie to come in and shoulder a majority of the load, which he would have to do because Hester is NOT a #1 WR no matter what the Bears say, Just cuz u have a little NFL shield under your name doesn't make u the authority on shit, just means u posted in every single thread.

And BTW i Promise you that Marshall still posts 1000+ yards and 8-9 TD regardless of who his QB is this season, u can quote me and bet on that. Just cuz you have an Elite QB doesn't mean it's going to make the WR better, and just because you don't have an Elite QB doesn't mean an Elite WR won't produce ala Andre and Calvin Johnson

 

[FirstTimer]

Your going way off base, if you could fucking read my argument from the beginning is that the Bears should go and get a proven WR in FA rather than depending on a rookie to come in and shoulder a majority of the load, which he would have to do because Hester is NOT a #1 WR no matter what the Bears say,

Well it matters what the Bears say sadly enough because he will be starting this year and for some reason the whole organization is behind him. This isn't some hypothetical world. Between Hester and Bennett and a rookie WR the rookie would no thave to "shoulder all the load".

What proven veteren NFL WR? Holt who has a gimpy knee? Harrison who has a gimpy knee and wants big money? Name the guy we should go out and get. I'd love to hear it.

Just cuz u have a little NFL shield under your name doesn't make u the authority on shit, just means u posted in every single thread.

Never claimed to be "the authority" just a more knowledgable poster than you. Don't get all pissy with me and redirect your frustration just because you get called out on your bullshit assertions and ideas.

And BTW i Promise you that Marshall still posts 1000+ yards and 8-9 TD

WHOA! Big bet that Marshall will average 62.5 ypg and .5 TDpg this year. Jeez. How is he not top 5 all time yet?

Just cuz you have an Elite QB doesn't mean it's going to make the WR better,

No shit? Really? I never said It was assured. I said "it can't hurt" to have an elite QB throwing to you to help make you better, or at least seem that way. Your simplistic bullshit is gettign tiring.

and just because you don't have an Elite QB doesn't mean an Elite WR won't produce ala Andre and Calvin Johnson

No duh really? Those guys are freaks. Then again I never mentioned the Bears having an elite WR so the entire context of the argument was that Cutler can help make average/medicore WR's better..ala what he did with Eddie Royal.

I guess I should use smaller statements when talking to you and try and simplify things for you.

Will Jay Cutler being QB help the Bears WR's become better? We can start there and build.

 

[FirstTimer]

You guys are both Bears' fans and want a solid WR.

Correct. Hopefully we can find a prospect like the "highly touted" Eddie Royal.

 

[FirstTimer]

Interesting thought I just had.

I was really wanting Boldin this offseason from the Cardinals. Had they made the trade for Boldin as early as I wanted them to we would not have been able to get Cutler obviously as the asking price is the same as it was for Cutler. A 1st and a 3rd in this years draft.

Now. Just for shits... Would the team have been better off with:

Orton2Boldin FTW and no picks in the 1st and 3rd round this year?

or

Cutler2???? FTW and no picks in the 1st and 3rd this year and 1st next season?

 

[FirstTimer]

Dont go down that road.

Personally, I'd rather have a proven QB with unproven WRs, than the other way around.

Just an interesting hypothetical to kill time between now and the draft.

 

[Saluki]

http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1412&play_clip=Y

Wanted to just post it, but HTML is turned off in this forum for some reason or other

 

[FirstTimer]

No idea what the Bears are doing in the draft on first glance....Will wait until I can step back and evaluate tomorrow to give my complete thoughts...

First impressions=not pleased.

 

[Saluki]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/26/bears-fail-in-bid-to-get-wr-boldin/

Bears tried to trade for Boldin. Cards declined but it's nice to see they are actively pursing a WR.

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo tried to trade his second-round draft pick to the Cardinals for Pro Bowl WR Anquan Boldin on Saturday, the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

The Cardinals initially were looking for a first- and a third-round pick for Boldin, but they were believed to have softened their stance. But it appears the 49th overall selection wasn’t enough to entice Arizona to deal Boldin. The Bears didn’t have a 2010 first-round pick to dangle, either, because of the Jay Cutler trade.

Angelo indicated there was no deal forthcoming for Boldin, according to the Sun-Times:

“I would assume [trade talks are dead],” Angelo said. “If it was going to happen, it would happen [Saturday]. How motivated they were or weren’t — they came out [asking for] a one and a three and there were things that I read, so I really don’t know what their thinking was.

“We’re always going to do our due diligence.”

The Sun-Times reports the Bears were looking for Brian Robiskie at No. 49, then traded out of the round after the Browns took the Ohio State wide receiver at No. 36.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah I figured they were looking for Robiskie but in the days leading up to the draft I really didn't expect him to be there but I was hopeful.

After Robiskie and Barden(he would have been a reach in the 2nd I suppose) went I figured the Bears wouldn't be able to find a WR with their pick.

 

[FirstTimer]

3rd Rd

Jarron Gilbert, DE San Jose St- Can't say I'm wild about the pick. Guy seems like an athletic freak but I would have preferred a WR at this point even after the trade down but honestly at this point every WR I wanted the Bears to choose was off the board. Sounds like this guy could fill an Israel Idonije type role for us playing some DE and DT. Real versatile. A guy that Smith and Miranelli love.

Grade: B

Juaquin Iglesias, WR Oklahoma- Well, the Bears took a WR but I'm not sold on him. Could still be hungover from the entire Mark Bradley deal with him being from Oklahoma as well but Iglesias was not a covnerted DB at Oklahoma and has no injury problems so treating this as a seperate case it's a solid pick. He seems like he will be a great slot guy for us and eventually could challenege Bennett for the #2 role later in camp. Question is will he see the field this year as Bennett didn't and was taken in the 3rd Rd last year?

Grade: B

4th Rd

Henry Melton, DE Texas- A converted fullback to the DE position the benefit of Miranelli will pay off here helping develop Melton into a good DE. Melton transitioned to DE very well for Texas and with the Bears depth on the D-Line won't be thrown into the fire and will have time to develop even more

Grade: B

DJ Moore, CB Vanderbilt- Undersized as all hell but a perfect fit for the Cover 2. Great ball skills and always seems to be in the right place at the right time. A guy who hopefully is in the Nate Vasher mold and can make an impact early on. Could challenge Corey Graham for playing time right away.

Grade: B

5th Rd

Johnny Knox, WR Abaline-Christian- Didn't like the pick at all. Sure the guy is a burner but where does he fit in? Is he a slot guy? Do you use him on returns with Manning? There are a lot more questions here than answers and at this point in the draft if we were going to take a WR I would have rather seen Quan Cosby from Texas.

Grade: C-

Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State- Love this pick. With all the problems finding another LB to line up with Urlacher and Briggs I think thi spick solves the problem. Hillenmeyers best days are behind him and Nick Roach was less than impressive last year. I think the Bears got a real steal here and I expect Freeman to be starting at LB by the mid way point next season.

Grade: B+

6th Rd

Al Afalava, S Oregon St- Surprised it took this long to take a safety but I like the pick. Reminds me of Mike Brown in some ways. Mainly with his hitting. Not as good ball skills as Mike Brown but another guy late in the draft that I would expect to push for playign time this year, especially with the Bears lack of a real solid safety corps.

Grade: B

7th Rd

Lance Louis, TE San Diego State-Last year I was confused about the Kellen Davis Jr pick with us having Olsen and Clark on the roster so this year I'm even more confused by THIS pick with the aforementioned three still on the roster. It's a 7th Rd pick so I won't get too caught up in it but still a head scratcher none the less.

Grade: D

Derek Kinder, WR Pittsburgh- Love this pick. Again a 7th Rd pick so I won't get too excited because last year I was pumped when we got Marcus Monk last year in the 7th and felt that he could have been a good player for us. What does he do? Drop a pass over the middle in a preseason game and is cut. Hopefully Kinder fares betters this year and I will try to keep my excitement down but if given a chance and his knee recovers from tearing it up in 2007 he could be a surprise guy who makes the roster and gets some playing time. The Bears don't really have any established WR's so even this 7th Rounder has a shot if he can get on the field and make some plays and catch the coaches eyes. Kinder could be that bigger bodied threat and guy who can "go get it" that the team needs.

Grade: B

Overall Grade: B

 

[MRN]

Looks like Eric Peterman, that Rideau guy, and maybe another guy will be fighting it out for the last spot on the roster as a WR. Hoping for Peterman.

 

[1ke]

Hey what did they do with Marcus Monk from last year. Will he be in camp? Or anything.

Do you guys think they should/could entertain talking to Mike Brown to come back in some sort of reserve role.

 

[Saluki]

Monk's not on the roster... I don't know if he'll be with the practice squad or what, I don't remember what happened to him.

I don't think they bring back Brown. There's a lot of people that would like them to, but I don't see them going back on a decision. Why not Rex as a backup for that matter? Serious.

I'm pretty sure Monk is on the practice squad. Bears could def bring back brown for a pretty cheap price, but they like Hanie and have another QB on their depth chart already so i highly doubt they'd bring back Rex.

 

[FirstTimer]

Hey what did they do with Marcus Monk from last year. Will he be in camp? Or anything.

Do you guys think they should/could entertain talking to Mike Brown to come back in some sort of reserve role.

I'm pretty sure Monk is on the practice squad. Bears could def bring back brown for a pretty cheap price, but they like Hanie and have another QB on their depth chart already so i highly doubt they'd bring back Rex.

It wouldn't surprise me if they bring back Brown but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Monk was cut last season during the preseason and the Giants picked him up then cut him.

He then went back to Arkansas to play basketball, played for a few months then was dismissed from the team.

He's currently out of football. Not on the Bears practice squad.

 

[FirstTimer]

START MARCUS FREEEMAN!

 

[FirstTimer]

Except I think we'd rather it had been Urlacher.

Meh the Urlacher hate gets old. Sure he's not as good as he was in 2005 but the guy is still a Top 5 MLB and can play the Cover 2 like few MLB's can.

Freeman, Urlacher, Briggs as a linebacking corps sound spretty good by the halfway point of the season.

Honestly if our DL doesn't get better it doesn't matter who the hell we have at LB.

 

[FirstTimer]

Oh I know, I know. I was joking... but if Freeman was going to replace Briggs or Urlacher, I'd rather it be Urlacher.

And yes, if Freeman can start this season - Urlacher, Briggs, Freeman will be very interesting.

If Nick fucking Roach can start last year Freeman should be a Pro-Bowler this year.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Wtf is Lance Briggs doing shaving himself with a straight blade? Good god.