Official New York Giants Forum Thread

[Champ]

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[Champ]

Bring him back...
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[jeffx]

I wish we had a new OC. Not a fan of Gilbride's play-calling - too complicated and too pass-happy.

 

[Champ]

I wish we had a new OC. Not a fan of Gilbride's play-calling - too complicated and too pass-happy.

I used to be like this. I hated the shotgun calls in the redzone and such. But since Gilbride has came here we have been a top 10 offense like every year.

 

[Champ]

All the Gilbride hate.....

*The Giants gained a franchise-record 6,085 yards, the first 6,000-yard season in their history.

*According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the Giants had 80 scrimmage plays of 20 or more yards (58 passes, 22 runs), tying them with the Philadelphia Eagles for the highest total in the NFL. Their 14 touchdown passes of 20-plus yards led the league.

*The Giants scored 48 touchdowns, which was tied for the third-highest total in team history. They scored 57 touchdowns in 1963, 49 in 1962 and ‘67 and 48 in 1985

*The Giants were one of only two teams with a pair of backs who rushed for more than 800 yards apiece in Ahmad Bradshaw (1,235 yards) and Brandon Jacobs (823). The only other team to have two 800-yard rushers was Kansas City, with Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones.

*The Giants' 331 first downs were the third-highest total in franchise history (356 in 1985 and 338 in 2008).

*The team's 339 pass completions – all by Eli Manning – were the second-most in Giants history, behind only the 350 completions in 1999.

*The Giants' 62.9 completion percentage was a team record, besting the 62.4 percentage set in 2009

*The Giants' 3,885 net passing yards were the third-highest total in team history, trailing only the 4,019 yards in 2009 and 3,951 yards in 2002.

 

[Champ]

Offense

Points scored: 7th (tied)
Yardage: 5th
Yards/Play: 4th
1st downs: 7th
Passing Yardage: 10th
Passing TD: 4th (tied)
Net Yards/Passing Attempt: 4th
Rushing Yardage: 6th
Rushing TD: 6th
Rushing YPA: 6th
Turnovers: 1st

Defense

Points allowed: 17th
Yardage conceded: 7th
Yards/Play conceded: 11th
First downs conceded: 2nd
Passing Yardage conceded: 10th
Passing TDs conceded: 19th
Net Yards/Passing Attempt: 7th
Rushing Yardage conceded: 8th
Rushing TDs conceded: 14th
Rushing Yards/Attempt conceded: 15th
Turnovers forced: 1st

 

[Champ]

Updated the Gilbride hate post.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

fuck stats. i could give two shits. i wouldnt care if they broke every record ever, they were fucking bums and missed the playoffs.

 

[Champ]

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[jms493]

Football is dead dude.....R.I.P. NFL

 

[Champ]

Big Blue Interactive | Just how good a draft pick was Mario @ 95? (Long post)

In the 2008 draft 15 WRs were taken before (or just after) MM. MM was a washout his 1st year, partly due to injuries and partly due to his failure to pick up the Giants' passing system year one. He was generally rated as a 2nd round talent who fell because of a marijuana issue, lying about it, and his unexpectedly poor 40 yard dash at the combine - which he later redeemed by running a 4.38 best at his pro day.

Mario's career stats (almost entirely compiled during his 2nd & 3rd seasons): rec 121 yards 1792 TDs 14

Setting arbitrary minimum standards of 80 rec 1000 yards 5 TDs for comparison's sake, 5 other WRs 'compare' with MM's production. They are (with their draft round and actual slots noted) & compared to Mario:

................. round # rec yards TDs
Manningham 3 (95) 121 - 1792 - 14
DeSean Jackson 2 (49) 171 - 3124 - 17
Donnie Avery 2 (33) 100 - 1263 - 8
Eddie Royal 2 (42) 187 - 1952 - 8
Earl Bennett 3 (70) 100 - 1278 - 5
Jordy Nelson 2 (36) 100 - 1268 - 6

Pending the weight one awards TD production, Mario and DeSean are in a class by themselves. Also pending the weighting of YPC MM and DSJ stand well above the rest too.

Bear in mind these are the 6 most productive WRs taken well before MM. It's not a list of whom JR might have selected instead of MM.

Among the 9/15 not listed here, 8 have less than 60 career receptions, 7 of these have less than 50 career receptions, and 5 of these have less than 30 career receptions. One guy with 40 career receptions is already on his 3rd NFL team - Devin Thomas...

How many at BBI thought Mario was a bust after his rookie season? How many still complained about him after year 2, and how many still don't think Mario was a great pick at 95, or are more than willing to let him walk once his contract expires? Or would be willing to trade him for a mid 2nd round draft pick?

If BBI tends to over-rate the Giants' talent, MM certainly isn't part of that trend.

 

[strahanfan92]

Plaxico Burress returning to the Giants after getting out of prison makes no sense at all

Plaxico return to Giants makes no sense at all

Plaxico Burress, according to his agent, is "in great
spirits," he's "mentally and physically strong" and
he's ready to return to the NFL. Several teams are, of
course, said to be interested, and as everyone
knows, Giants GM Jerry Reese hasn't publicly ruled
out bringing him back.

Never mind that Buress is still in prison, or that he'll
be 34 in August, or that he hasn't been on an NFL
field in 2 1/2 years. Never mind that when the Daily
News' Wayne Coffey caught up with him at the
Oneida Correctional Facility in September, Burress
said he was 16 pounds lighter and looked like he'd
lost a lot more than that.

That perspective seems to be irrelevant when it
comes to Burress, a tantalizingly tall, talented
receiver and hero of Super Bowl XLII. Every time his
agent speaks or Reese says he never rules any
possibility out, excitement builds about the
potential for Burress-Giants II.

Maybe someday it will actually happen. There are
just some very good reasons why it shouldn't:

- If Burress is in, who's out?

He may be 6-5 with oodles of talent and a nice
resume, and he may believe, as he told The News in
September, that "I'm going to come back and play at
a high level."

But his last NFL game was on Nov. 23, 2008, so he'll
probably be a bit rusty. Do the Giants really want a
rusty, 34-year-old on the field over 24-year-old
Hakeem Nicks or 22-year-old Mario Manningham,
who combined for 139 catches, 1,996 yards and 20
touchdowns last year? Then what happens if 25-
year-old Steve Smith, the Giants' best receiver,
makes it back from his knee injury?

Wouldn't Burress, likely far from Pro Bowl form, just
be in their way?

- It's not the bullet, it's the baggage

Why would Tom Coughlin sign on for Plaxico II? It's
not like Plaxico I was a joy ride for the rules-happy
coach. Forget that Burress shot himself at a
Manhattan nightclub (a hard incident to forget). By
then, he had already drawn more than $100,000 in
fines, and was suspended once for conduct
detrimental to the team.

Coughlin is all about "Team". Burress was often anti-
team. Players, including some who say for the
record they'd welcome him back, remember him
rarely showing up for meetings on time or at all.
They didn't like the way he flouted team rules.

Sure, coaches can put up with a lot when a player
has talent. But why do it for a 34-year-old coming
off a three-year absence?

- He'd be warm, but not hot, in Miami

Someone familiar with Burress' thinking believes he
prefers to avoid New York, to play in a warmer
climate, and that his preference is to live near his
offseason home in Miami. The person also says
Burress knows he'd be better off far from the
clutches of the New York media that remember every
sordid detail of his Giants career. His past, were he
to play elsewhere, is a short story. In New York, it
would become a season-long theme.

 

[EmpireWF]

If he isn't asking for a bunch of money and they have the cap room and Eli wants him back, bring his ass back.

If he comes back and has nothing left, then cut the guy. If he has something left, awesome.

 

[EmpireWF]

Coughlin also did not want to elaborate on comments made about him in January by safeties Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips.

Coughlin did say he talked to both players. The two safeties appeared on a Miami radio show last month, where Rolle said Coughlin could loosen up a bit, and Phillips said he still was trying to figure out who Coughlin is outside of his coaching style.

Coughlin did joke that Rolle probably would not have liked the stricter Coughlin from the years prior to the Giants' Super Bowl season in 2007. Coughlin made a concerted effort to show a more human side that year, and the team flourished that season.

"He should have seen me a few years ago," Coughlin cracked. "That's my response."

Coughlin was in a good mood and gave updates on a few of his injured players.

He said defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka, who missed all but four games with a neck injury, is progressing well but has not cleared the final hurdle toward playing again. Coughlin said Kiwanuka did avoid surgery, a positive sign.

"Seems to be doing pretty well," Coughlin said of Kiwanuka, whose contract will expire. "I don't think the final hurdle has been overcome but the arrow is in the right direction. It's been positive."

He also said guard Rich Seubert is recovering well from surgery on a dislocated kneecap, ligament and tendon damage. Coughlin said that center is a position that may need to be addressed in the draft because both Shaun O'Hara (foot) and Adam Koets (knee) are coming off surgeries. The Giants draft 19th overall and there should be plenty of offensive linemen -- mostly offensive tackles -- available.

Coughlin also does not anticipate his contract negotiations to become an issue. Team president John Mara said Thursday that he has had some casual conversations with Coughlin's agent about a potential extension. Coughlin is entering the final year of his deal and Mara said an extension likely will be completed sooner rather than later.

"It's been said that it'll get done, and it'll get done," Coughlin said. "For John to say that -- it'll get done."

Tom Coughlin: Possible Plaxico Burress return not on radar - ESPN New York

 

[Champ]

Giants GM Jerry Reese issued a statement Saturday, announcing that free agent DE Mathias Kiwanuka (neck) has received medical clearance to continue his career.
Clarifying earlier comments that suggested Kiwanuka's neck injury was career threatening, Reese also said Kiwi is "fully committed to returning to football." Kiwanuka is a five-year NFL veteran, so the Giants could attempt to keep him with a restricted free agent tender. He's not going to get a long-term extension considering his injury and the Giants' line depth.

 

[Champ]

Giants GM Jerry Reese issued a statement Saturday, announcing that free agent DE Mathias Kiwanuka (neck) has received medical clearance to continue his career.
Clarifying earlier comments that suggested Kiwanuka's neck injury was career threatening, Reese also said Kiwi is "fully committed to returning to football." Kiwanuka is a five-year NFL veteran, so the Giants could attempt to keep him with a restricted free agent tender. He's not going to get a long-term extension considering his injury and the Giants' line depth.

 

[Champ]

Giants GM Jerry Reese doesn't foresee LT Shawn Andrews' chronic back problems going away anytime soon.
"The rest of his career, I think that is just a problem he’s going to have to manage," said Reese. Andrews is physically unreliable, which is why the G-Men can't afford to pay his $3.5 million offseason roster bonus. Look for Andrews to be released, and potentially re-signed for less money at a later date.

 

[Champ]

The Newark Star-Ledger suggests that Giants C Shaun O'Hara (Achilles, foot) could be an offseason salary casualty.
O'Hara turns 34 in June and is due $3.45 million after undergoing two surgeries to fix problems with both of his feet and missing all but six games last season. At the very least, the Giants should ask O'Hara to take a pay cut. They continue to have major question marks all along the front five.

 

[jeffx]

fuck stats. i could give two shits. i wouldnt care if they broke every record ever, they were fucking bums and missed the playoffs.

Co-sign. Bottom line, they choked the season away against Philly. All those stats don't mean shit.

 

[strahanfan92]

Domenik Hixon's knee feels great right now, he says.

"I'm heading to work out right now, in fact," the Giants' wide receiver said by phone minutes ago.

Yes, Hixon remains a Giants receiver. After posting on his Facebook page last night he had agreed to terms with the team, Hixon confirmed he signed a one-year contract with the team at about noon today.

Financial terms of the contract are not immediately available.

My conversation with Hixon was very brief - he had to continue his rehab from a torn anterior cruciate ligament suffered last June, after all - but he made it clear he's happy to be signed with the Giants for at least one more season.

"I feel real comfortable, I feel strong," Hixon said in the Giants' press release. "I was joking with one of my buddies. We were running together and I told him, ‘I feel like I
gained a step.'

"I'm preparing myself as well as I can and getting all the rust off now so when I get back out there I'll be ready for the season and be at full speed. I'm back doing everything full speed. I'm trying to simulate the season I missed with different things."
* * * *

Also re-signing with the team today was WR/RB/KR Darius Reynaud, who didn't do much to offset the loss of Hixon in the return game last season. Reynaud was acquired in a trade with the Vikings that also netted QB Sage Rosenfels.

Reynaud averaged only 5.7 yards per punt return and just 18.4 yards per kick return last season.

1:21 p.m. UPDATE People are freaking out about the Reynaud signing on Twitter, with one guy telling me Reynaud was "worse" than C.C. Brown. For those freaking out, everybody chill. Reynaud likely received a minimal signing bonus and a deal with little guaranteed. This contract doesn't mean he'll be on the final roster come Sept...er, Oct...um...whenever.)
* * * *

The Giants also confirmed their restricted free agent tenders:

--DE Mathias Kiwanuka (first round), WR Steve Smith (second round) and OL Kevin Boothe (sixth round) received original-round tenders, which means the Giants would get a pick corresponding to that round if those players signed with another team. (As I noted yesterday, I believe Kiwanuka would net a first-round pick, not a second as I had originally mentioned.)

--The Giants did not say at which level RB Ahmad Bradshaw, TE Kevin Boss, DT Barry Cofield and DE Dave Tollefson were tendered, but we told you they were given second-round tenders.

--OL Jamon Meredith and TE/FB Bear Pascoe were given exclusive-rights tenders. As exclusive-rights free agents, they weren't going anywhere as long as the Giants extended an offer, which they did.

--And finally, one more time: all of this restricted free agent stuff most likely won't mean a thing in the long run, so take it all with a grain of salt.

Hixon signs 1 year deal