Overeem approves of more drug testing

[Kuzzy Powers]

THE REEM works on his own terms. Get on his level or go home.

 

[SHOGUN]

#TEAMREEM

 

[EmpireWF]

He had reason to miss the initial test, he then took a blood test as quickly as he could. Case closed, leave it be.

It took him about 3 weeks before he took the proper test.

Nothing to see here?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

It took him about 3 weeks before he took the proper test.

Nothing to see here?

Actually, it took him four weeks to take the proper test with the proper doctors.

And what about the 9 days it took for him to respond? Forget physically taking the test, he wasn't even in communication with anyone.

I guess cell phones don't work in Holland, either.

 

[Steel Mamba]

It took him about 3 weeks before he took the proper test.

Nothing to see here?

Nope. 1 - given his reasoning 2 - he took the blood test within due time.

 

[Liquidrob]

funny how much people care about PED's in only MMA/Boxing and freaking Baseball, they get all crazy and than go jerk off to there favorite freak football players and talk about what amazing athletes they are

whats also funny is you think anyone with a half a brain will get popped this close to a fight (Barnett excluded), message to the NSAC, Overeem makes the rules, not you

anyway, when you combine genetics, horse meat and good old dutch work ethic you get THE REEM

 

[Primetime]

Nope. 1 - given his reasoning 2 - he took the blood test within due time.

Within due time? It was 2 weeks later. Plenty of time to get it out of your system according to the org.

 

[EmpireWF]

Nope. 1 - given his reasoning 2 - he took the blood test within due time.

No he did not take the right test in due time. He was suppose to take a urine test (which tests for things the blood test couldnt detect).

Still, I'm more apt to believe his new management (which supposedly has never repped an athlete) was clueless than Overeem purposefully waiting, then getting the wrong test done.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He didnt even take the blood test in due time, he was extremely late for that. And its a test nobody asked for.

The bigger picture here is the commission basically passing him through at the behest of Zuffa. And also the fact that all of the tests he takes now are meaningless, and we will never know if he was clean. He basically took a random test at his convenience which defeats the purpose of a random test.

 

[Liquidrob]

Don't know why this thread took such a negative turn, overeem wants more testing and is not against blood testing which other guys run from

Overeem leading the charge, congrats to him

 

[Primetime]

PR movement much?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The word noble doesnt even begin the describe The REEM's stance here.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Just out of my own personal curiosity, what do you folks think the urine tests are for, and what do you think the blood tests are for?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

It is my understanding that according to NSAC standards that the blood test can indicate elevated testosterone levels and certain steroid use, while the urine test is for a broader panel of steroids.

This is a partial statement from the NSAC:

While the blood test would not detect many of the steroids we were looking for, it did include testing for his levels of testosterone in the body, and they were at an average level. Keith Kizer immediately informed (Overeem) that he took the wrong test and needed to take a urine test with a full steroid panel.

 

[RosettaStoned]

It is my understanding that according to NSAC standards that the blood test can indicate elevated testosterone levels and certain steroid use, while the urine test is for a broader panel of steroids.

This is a partial statement from the NSAC:

What kind of steriods are they looking for that doesn't elevate testosterone? I'm confused.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

What kind of steriods are they looking for that doesn't elevate testosterone? I'm confused.

I have no idea.

 

[Primetime]

Could be looking for other products in association with steroids maybe? Just grasping at straws here.

 

[RosettaStoned]

I have no idea.

I'll help. Blood testing is far more thorough. I do not believe, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.. that there is a PED that will pass a blood test but be picked up on a UA. Here is a good break down by Travis Tygart with the USADA regarding the tests.

FanHouse: Can you break down the differences between the effectiveness of drug-detection between urinalysis and blood-testing?

Travis Tygart: There's a host of significant and potent performance enhancing drugs that only blood will detect. Those include human growth hormone [HGH]; HBOC -- and that is synthetic hemoglobin; transfusions; certain forms of EPO, such as Mircera, which is essentially a designer EPO.

So those are a few of the specific drugs. There is also a different technique, which is known as parameter testing, which is done by the blood, or biological passport testing. Essentially, what it does is that it does not detect a specific drug like HGH.

But it looks at a host of parameters or biological markers that are natural to everyone's body. And over time -- if you look at those for an individual -- over time, you can see variability or fluctuations in those naturally occurring markers that we all have.

And if you see fluctuations to a certain degree, you can conclusively determine that those fluctuations were caused by nothing other than drug use, and certain categories of drug use. Not necessarily a specific drug, but categories of drug use.

I think that it's fair to say that there are several, very potent, performance enhancing drugs that only blood can detect, and there is an entirely different method of detecting broader categories of drug use through parameter testing that is done with the blood.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/01/09/usada-chief-travis-tygart-on-blood-testing-steroids-boxing/

 

[RosettaStoned]

Within due time? It was 2 weeks later. Plenty of time to get it out of your system.

You think two weeks is enough time to get AAS of your system?

 

[Primetime]

You think two weeks is enough time to get AAS of your system?

Average time to leave the body for what they test is said to be 7-10 days.