Overeem approves of more drug testing

[RosettaStoned]

Average time to leave the body for what they test is said to be 7-10 days.

That's what the NSAC says. I want to know what YOU think.

 

[Primetime]

That's what the NSAC says. I want to know what YOU think.

Depends on the drug I guess. Some out there last in your system up to a year and a half, while some can be gone in a day. I don't know what kind of roids these guys hypothetically use so it's difficult to make an assumption.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Depends on the drug I guess. Some out there last in your system up to a year and a half, while some can be gone in a day. I don't know what kind of roids these guys hypothetically use so it's difficult to make an assumption.

If your answer is "I don't know" than why would you make the statement "7-10 days is plenty of time to get it out of your system."


I'm just going to guess, and say you, and most people posting in this thread don't know much about steriods, so trying to condemn a guy for shit you don't know about is kinda dumb.

 

[Primetime]

If your answer is "I don't know" than why would you make the statement "7-10 days is plenty of time to get it out of your system."


I'm just going to guess, and say you, and most people posting in this thread don't know much about steriods, so trying to condemn a guy for shit you don't know about is kinda dumb.

I said the shit they test for is said to be 7-10 days. Try again.

 

[RosettaStoned]

I said the shit they test for is said to be 7-10 days. Try again.

What shit is that??, and again that's what the nsac says. What they say isn't always reality.

 

[Primetime]

Are you trying to make a point here....?

 

[RosettaStoned]

Are you trying to make a point here....?

Yes, that you don't know what you're talking about, while trying to condemn an athlete.

 

[Primetime]

The only point that needs to be made is that this is extremely fishy and sketchy. Innocent or not, the guy, nor his group of people, were heard from for 9 days. Those 9 days alone could potentially be enough time to escape a positive reading. End of story.

 

[Primetime]

Yes, that you don't know what you're talking about, while trying to condemn an athlete.

Please.....inform us master. I can look at the same detection charts you can.....stop trying to act smart, you're not good at it.


Never condemned anyone either....simply stated it was fishy. Never said he took any drugs.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Please.....inform us master. I can look at the same detection charts you can.....stop trying to act smart, you're not good at it.


Never condemned anyone either....simply stated it was fishy. Never said he took any drugs.

Lmao @ looking at charts. I've been around a number of athletes using a number of things, and being tested.

 

[Primetime]

Lmao @ looking at charts. I've been around a number of athletes using a number of things, and being tested.

Congratulations. Apply for the NSAC presidency job. You've earned it.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Congratulations. Apply for the NSAC presidency job. You've earned it.

I think I will.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm just going to guess, and say you, and most people posting in this thread don't know much about steriods, so trying to condemn a guy for shit you don't know about is kinda dumb.

Actually i'm condemning him for taking a mandatory random drug screening roughly 30 days after being asked to do so.

And i'm condemning the NSAC for the clown show sham that they operate.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Actually i'm condemning him for taking a mandatory random drug screening roughly 30 days after being asked to do so.

And i'm condemning the NSAC for the clown show sham that they operate.

Right, but he took a more thorough test on the 23rd which was clean. He was also out of the country with his sick mother. And he actually took the screen they wanted on the 7th of December not 30 days later.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Right, but he took a more thorough test on the 23rd which was clean. He was also out of the country with his sick mother. And he actually took the screen they wanted on the 7th of December not 30 days later.

He took the urine test on Dec 7 with his personal doctor, and not at one of the approved facilities. The NSAC rejected this test, and he didn't take a proper approved urine screening until Dec. 14, which ended up being like 3 days shy of a month.

I also think the NSAC did themselves and Overeem a disservice but not asking Overeem to provide proof of when he purchased the plane ticket. That could have ended all doubt as far as the accusations of bolting to Holland to avoid or delay the test, under the pretense of visiting his mother. But even if he's off the hook for that, he still showed a casual disregard for the process and the need for urgency of a random screening.

My main gripe is due to his lack of communication and urgency, whether intentional or not, he skirted the test for almost 30 days, completely negating the idea of a random test. And to be honest, personally I don't really give a fuck if he's using or not (because I think the majority of these high level fighters use anyway), but the bigger picture here is the NSAC granting a license for obvious business and personal reasons. That type of inconsistency blows the credibility of the testing out of the water, so why even test to begin with? It's a dog & pony show. There is no way you can license Overeem here with and retain any shred of credibility based on the events, and there is no shot an undercard fighter or non Zuffa fighter would have been approved under these shady circumstances (in fact, no other fighter who missed the deadline has ever been approved by the NSAC).

My opinion, for whatever that's worth, is that Overeem intentionally skirted the urine test for as long as he reasonably could. I think he lacks credibility due to the large gaps of time between steps in the process. And the NSAC comes off even worse for allowing it. One of the smartest things Zuffa ever did was hire Marc Ratner.

 

[RosettaStoned]

He took the urine test on Dec 7 with his personal doctor, and not at one of the approved facilities. The NSAC rejected this test, and he didn't take a proper approved urine screening until Dec. 14, which ended up being like 3 days shy of a month.

I also think the NSAC did themselves and Overeem a disservice but not asking Overeem to provide proof of when he purchased the plane ticket. That could have ended all doubt as far as the accusations of bolting to Holland to avoid or delay the test, under the pretense of visiting his mother. But even if he's off the hook for that, he still showed a casual disregard for the process and the need for urgency of a random screening.

My main gripe is due to his lack of communication and urgency, whether intentional or not, he skirted the test for almost 30 days, completely negating the idea of a random test. And to be honest, personally I don't really give a fuck if he's using or not (because I think the majority of these high level fighters use anyway), but the bigger picture here is the NSAC granting a license for obvious business and personal reasons. That type of inconsistency blows the credibility of the testing out of the water, so why even test to begin with? It's a dog & pony show. There is no way you can license Overeem here with and retain any shred of credibility based on the events, and there is no shot an undercard fighter or non Zuffa fighter would have been approved under these shady circumstances (in fact, no other fighter who missed the deadline has ever been approved by the NSAC).

My opinion, for whatever that's worth, is that Overeem intentionally skirted the urine test for as long as he reasonably could. I think he lacks credibility due to the large gaps of time between steps in the process. And the NSAC comes off even worse for allowing it. One of the smartest things Zuffa ever did was hire Marc Ratner.

When you say things like "no other who missed the deadline has been approved" is silly. They just started random testing. This is something Overeem has never had to do. Also again, his mother obviously has cancer and he packed up and moved his camp which he says is pre planned. He got a test done, which is more thorough than the basic urine panel required by the NSAC, and it came back clean. That was the 21st which is pretty damn fast. He then went and got a UA after he was told it had to be a UA. I'm not really sure what exactly you want the guy to do...

New procedure he's never dealt with
Got a more thorough test done, came back clean
Got a UA but wasn't good enough
Had to fly to another country to get a UA that was
Dealing with sick mother


All for a guy who has never failed a test to begin with.

 

[RosettaStoned]

To be honest, the whole thing seems pretty political. I'm really not sure why the blood test wasn't accepted anyway. It's like the NSAC is trying to find something.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Everyone is trying to find something lol.. but The REEM dont play around, he keeping it 100% horse meat and coming up cleaner a freshly douched vagina.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

New procedure he's never dealt with - Pissing in a cup should not qualify as a "new procedure". Nothing confusing about that.

Got a more thorough test done, came back clean - But Overeem has no say as to what test he takes. The NSAC asked for urine, not blood. It's not up to the fighter to decide what to turn in. For this particular test, they were looking for things that turn up in urine, not blood.

Got a UA but wasn't good enough - Yeah, because he turned in a sample to his personal doctor, not an unbiased approved lab. You guys seriously don't see the issue with this?

Had to fly to another country to get a UA that was - And he could have just done this originally, within the first few days, instead of choosing to take a test nobody asked for, and then wasting more time taking the proper test with the improper channels. Is Overeem bad at following simple instructions, or just really stupid? I choose option 3, which is stalling for obvious reason.

Dealing with sick mother - Sad, but honestly it's irrelevant. Regardless of his mothers condition, the timelines look really bad, and he clearly lacked urgency. I don't understand how you guys are missing the basic point that whether he was intentionally stalling or not, he missed a random test deadline by nearly a month. It's actually pretty mid blowing how people are finding ways to defend him.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Fact is there's no steroid that they can test for in urine that won't show up in a blood test. If urine was a better method of testing they would use it for Olympic events instead of blood, and boxers like Floyd wouldn't be campaigning for blood test. So at this point your argument boils down to someone being pissed off that Overeem one-upped the NSAC by giving them a more substantial test. A test that more convincingly proves that hes clean.