PacMan...you dirty brah?

[davie]

if you are a true fighter in your heart you don't care about any of that bullshit, you get in the ring and fight because that's who you are and that's what you do.

fighter or boxer?

I agree with Shogun, why can't Pacquiao just take the test and take away Floyd's 'excuse'?

 

[davie]

He let Martinez inside on him, the reach can be negated by savvy boxers. Martinez has a 76" reach, Williams lost to Quintana who has a 72" inch reach. It's not impossible.

Williams' corner really hurts him in terms of gameplanning. Luckily he's enough of a physical freak to have come through the Martinez fight and avenged his Quintana loss emphatically.

 

[JrRawlins]

He let Martinez inside on him, the reach can be negated by savvy boxers. Martinez has a 76" reach, Williams lost to Quintana who has a 72" inch reach. It's not impossible.

First i never said it was impossible, i said Floyd wouldnt fight him, and if he did Floyd would get punished.......

anyways
Both of the fighters you mentioned here have two things Floyd hasnt shown in his 40 fights....

#1 they are both southpaws just like Williams....
#2 they both had the heart to step inside of Paul Williams's reach advantage and take punishment to give punishment.......

Williams just like to fight.... point blank..... there isnt much strategy involved...... if there was he wouldnt let anyone inside his reach despite his ridiculous physical ability and his abiltity to fight insdie he would just keep every one at bay...... Floyd wants no parts of Paul, thats why you wont even hear about it mentioned from his camp..... i think he goes after Cotto..

 

[Tailback U]

fighter or boxer?

I agree with Shogun, why can't Pacquiao just take the test and take away Floyd's 'excuse'?

1) pacquaio doesn't need to do anything for PBF. he doesn't have to go out of his way to please PBF.

2) nobody should be giving PBF the power to request this kind of bullshit. no boxer/fighter has the right to do this and this should be frowned upon.

3) PBF is playing mind games. he is trying to fuck with pacquaio and pac knows it and he isn't going to play this little game. when PBF wants to man up and fight pac will fight, but until then pac isn't going to waste his time on floyd's antics.

sure, pac could just go along with it but he is insulted by floyd demanding the drug test.

i agree that some blame is on pac, too, but floyd is the one that started this bs and his demand is ridiculous and insulting. the ball is in floyd's court because pac is not going to budge on this, he is not going to give floyd the power to make demands over him no matter what so floyd needs to man up and take the fight.

 

[Mogriffjr]

no fighter in the history of any fight has been able to call out an opponent and demand drug testing like floyd has. that shit doesn't happen. that's what the commission is for.

it'd be like the arizona cardinals left tackle demanding jared allen take olympic style drug testing 48 hours before their game. it is just as ridiculous.

floyd is a fighter. he needs to shut the fuck up and fight.

both these guys are set to make around 40mill from the fight. i'd fight anyone in the fucking world for 40 million dollars. you could roid him up on every fucking chemical on the planet and i'd fight him any time, anywhere, for 40 mill. floyd is a professional boxer and he won't fight another professional boxer for 40 million - he is a fucking pussy.

and don't give me any excuses about "he doesn't need the money," or "his undefeated record is on the line," cuz when it comes down to it he is one man fighting another man for a shit ton of money and that's the end of it. if you are a true fighter in your heart you don't care about any of that bullshit, you get in the ring and fight because that's who you are and that's what you do.

I don't think it's an excuse...there's a lot involved...this literally cements whoever wins as the best p4p in the world right now. Then they become one of the top fighters ever from this....a lot of egos are being shown here...both sides being stubborn...no one wants to get cheated with so much on the line.

 

[Steel Mamba]

40mil on the line, your legacy as a fighter, either guy has every right to make sure that everything is fair and legit. No other fighter has demanded this, but no other fight in this age of enhancement drugs was close to this magnitude. As a fan why would you be against seeing the sport cleaned up? Someone needs to set this precedent.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Last time I checked, challengers don't tell the champs what the terms are.

 

[EmpireWF]

It all comes down to the fact that Pacquiao would not agree to drug testing.

Obviously the only logical conclusion is he's scared and hiding something. Otherwise, he wouldn't leave $100 million on the table and boxing fans with their thumbs up their asses.

 

[davie]

1) pacquaio doesn't need to do anything for PBF. he doesn't have to go out of his way to please PBF.

2) nobody should be giving PBF the power to request this kind of bullshit. no boxer/fighter has the right to do this and this should be frowned upon.

3) PBF is playing mind games. he is trying to fuck with pacquaio and pac knows it and he isn't going to play this little game. when PBF wants to man up and fight pac will fight, but until then pac isn't going to waste his time on floyd's antics.

sure, pac could just go along with it but he is insulted by floyd demanding the drug test.

i agree that some blame is on pac, too, but floyd is the one that started this bs and his demand is ridiculous and insulting. the ball is in floyd's court because pac is not going to budge on this, he is not going to give floyd the power to make demands over him no matter what so floyd needs to man up and take the fight.

I don't care if Pacquiao is insulted. He just needs to take one needle and Floyd has nothing to fall back on in terms of excuses. You've been on roids before, you know a needle isn't that bad.

PBF's undefeated record and absolute dismantling of Marquez (a fighter Pacquiao deserved to lose against) gives him the power to request these tests.

 

[davie]

Last time I checked, challengers don't tell the champs what the terms are.

deserving P4P number 1 might have a say though

 

[Tailback U]

I don't care if Pacquiao is insulted. He just needs to take one needle and Floyd has nothing to fall back on in terms of excuses. You've been on roids before, you know a needle isn't that bad.

Unfortunately, I have never been on steroids, so I don't know how bad they are, but I do know that nobody enjoys getting a needle injected into them.

PBF's undefeated record and absolute dismantling of Marquez (a fighter Pacquiao deserved to lose against) gives him the power to request these tests.

Marquez got old fast, Marquez had trouble with Diaz for pete's sake, anybody that thought he had a chance against Mayweather is a fool.

Like I said, it's obvious that pac is not going to budge on this. even if he is 100% clean, which i don't think he is, he wouldn't agree to this ever because of where he is from and who he is. he's simply not going to let mayweather disrespect him and have any kind of power over him whatsoever. he is more than a boxer in his country, he is one of its most powerful men, he's not going to let mayweather control him in any manner.

i'm not saying i agree with it and i'm not saying he is 100% clean but the bottom line is that mayweather needs to be the bigger man and fight because these are the circumstances.

if mayweather loses then everyone will remember pac refused to take this drug test and there will always be questions surrounding the best p4p ever and this fight will go down in history because the suspisions surrounding pacqauio may never die.

that's all there is to it at this point or the fight will never happen.

 

[Tailback U]

40mil on the line, your legacy as a fighter, either guy has every right to make sure that everything is fair and legit. No other fighter has demanded this, but no other fight in this age of enhancement drugs was close to this magnitude. As a fan why would you be against seeing the sport cleaned up? Someone needs to set this precedent.

please, the sport gets standard testing that all the other sports get. if we started olympic drug testing every athlete in every major sport all of our athletes would come up dirty.

don't be so naive, more likely than not, an athlete is taking or has taken a performance enhancement. whether it's hgh, testosterone, ephedra, EPO, or creatine - all these guys are on something and let them be - they are fucking fighters not librarians.

if i had it my way, i would pump all these motherfuckers full of so much GH and test they'd be walking around with hard-ons licking their chops at every women that walks by. i want to watch them fight - that's it - i don't give a shit about what they're on or what they do.

 

[Liquidrob]

This was Golden Boys stance previously

USA Today 2009:


Just last year, Golden Boy Promotions was against blood testing when one of its fighters, Shane Mosley, was asked to submit to it for a fight in Las Vegas.
Mosley, who admitted to taking designer steroids in 2003 inadvertently before a fight with Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya, consented to any form of drug testing before facing Zab Judah but the promoter objected.

Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told AP at the time that he'd consent to whatever testing that was required by Nevada State Athletic Commission and nothing more. The NSAC tests urine before and after fights but not blood at random like the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

A proposed March 13 superfight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather has fallen through over Olympic-style drug testing. Mayweather wanted the Filipino to accept random blood testing by USADA. Pacquiao agreed to three tests, including two before their bout.

"Whatever tests they want them to take, Shane will submit to that. We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires," Schaefer said. "The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

 

[davie]

Unfortunately, I have never been on steroids, so I don't know how bad they are, but I do know that nobody enjoys getting a needle injected into them.

Marquez got old fast, Marquez had trouble with Diaz for pete's sake, anybody that thought he had a chance against Mayweather is a fool.

Like I said, it's obvious that pac is not going to budge on this. even if he is 100% clean, which i don't think he is, he wouldn't agree to this ever because of where he is from and who he is. he's simply not going to let mayweather disrespect him and have any kind of power over him whatsoever. he is more than a boxer in his country, he is one of its most powerful men, he's not going to let mayweather control him in any manner.

1 - heroin addicts? blood donors?

2 - Did you watch the Marquez - Diaz fight? Technical counterpunching dominance from JMM.

3 - If Marquez got old why didn't Pacquiao fight him and actually beat him? Nah, he'd rather fight someone with shit defence while he's on performance enhancing drugs.

 

[Tailback U]

This was Golden Boys stance previously

Exactly, so now PBF is going to demand every guy he faces to take Olympic testing to disguise his vagina.

And if he doesn't demand other guys to Olympic testing that means he truly fears Pacquiao.

This is a no-win for PBF.

 

[davie]

Exactly, so now PBF is going to demand every guy he faces to take Olympic testing to disguise his vagina.

And if he doesn't demand other guys to Olympic testing that means he truly fears Pacquiao.

This is a no-win for PBF.

Except that, if they fight, PBF will win.

 

[Tailback U]

Except that, if they fight, PBF will win.

Yeah, that's why he's scared.

Clottey's not demanding anything of Pac.

Cotto wasn't scared of Pac.

Clottey and Cotto were man enough to step into the ring with Pac under the same conditions - Floyd is not. Bottom line.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Unfortunately, I have never been on steroids, so I don't know how bad they are, but I do know that nobody enjoys getting a needle injected into them.

Marquez got old fast, Marquez had trouble with Diaz for pete's sake, anybody that thought he had a chance against Mayweather is a fool.

Like I said, it's obvious that pac is not going to budge on this. even if he is 100% clean, which i don't think he is, he wouldn't agree to this ever because of where he is from and who he is. he's simply not going to let mayweather disrespect him and have any kind of power over him whatsoever. he is more than a boxer in his country, he is one of its most powerful men, he's not going to let mayweather control him in any manner.

i'm not saying i agree with it and i'm not saying he is 100% clean but the bottom line is that mayweather needs to be the bigger man and fight because these are the circumstances.

if mayweather loses then everyone will remember pac refused to take this drug test and there will always be questions surrounding the best p4p ever and this fight will go down in history because the suspisions surrounding pacqauio may never die.

that's all there is to it at this point or the fight will never happen.

Why does it fall on Mayweather to be a bigger man? No one cares how big he is in his own country, the fight is in America so that's irrelevant.

 

[EmpireWF]

From a Dave Meltzer update at F4WOnline

-ESPN boxing analyst Teddy Atlas said that a source he trusts saw e-mails from the Manny Pacquiao camp to the Floyd Mayweather camp
as part of negotiations, asking what the penalties would be if Pacquiao tested positive, and that would the Mayweather camp be agreeable that if Pacquiao did test positive, to suppress the results from the public "for the good of boxing." This is a story that was actually written three weeks ago in the New York Daily News that the Pacquiao camp denied and actually listed as part if its lawsuit against Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, Richard Schaeffer and others.

what a joke Pacquiao seems to be

 

[Tailback U]

LOL, what a joke that rumor is.

if there was any truth to that it'd be all over the sports world. and there is no way in hell pacquiao's camp would ever send something like that to mayweather's dude, do you actually think they would trust them with something like that?

if there is truth to it, it still doesn't mean it came from pacquiao. you know he rolls like 30 deep, somebody could have sent that email just as a precautionary thing, so even if true won't mean much.