Paul Walker Dead at 40 (Fast and Furious, Into the Blue)

[Warner2BruceTD]

Mr. Defensive Driver here is missing the point, like many other idiots who spout that line and theory do. The only time "slowing down" on a road to avoid a deer strike is effective is when you can see the deer in the distance and are planning for their movement. Otherwise, deer don't really know you are there, they don't plan their jump in front of your car, they just "go". So, the event is purely random and has no correlation to your speed. Wanna know your best defense move when a deer jumps out? Plow through it. Slamming on your breaks or swerving will lead to a higher probability of adverse outcome than simply hitting the animal and denting your car.

Then again, this is probably a terrible analogy to use as well, because judging by the Michigan Cop/Deer thread here a week or so ago, most of you don't understand fucking deer either!

This is astounding.

Slowing down isn't necessarily to avoid the deer so much as it is to mitigate the potential damage if you do hit the deer, and help retain control if you instinctively swerve away from the deer.

There is no way you can possibly spin the idea that driving faster does not increase danger. That's the bottom line here. You sound like a complete idiot.

 

[Trmszczykowski]

BTW thread officially derailed. but please carry on! :clap:

This is much more interesting than the usual fake sympathies. Indeed, do carry on.

 

[PP]

Mr. Defensive Driver here is missing the point, like many other idiots who spout that line and theory do. The only time "slowing down" on a road to avoid a deer strike is effective is when you can see the deer in the distance and are planning for their movement. Otherwise, deer don't really know you are there, they don't plan their jump in front of your car, they just "go". So, the event is purely random and has no correlation to your speed. Wanna know your best defense move when a deer jumps out? Plow through it. Slamming on your breaks or swerving will lead to a higher probability of adverse outcome than simply hitting the animal and denting your car.

Then again, this is probably a terrible analogy to use as well, because judging by the Michigan Cop/Deer thread here a week or so ago, most of you don't understand fucking deer either!

If I hit a deer in my civic I am probably getting more than a dent in my car and I will still come away fucked up.

 

[nickp50010]

Maybe, depends on many variables. They weren't surviving this wreck even at 60mph though. Lack of skid marks shows the loss of control was sudden. And impact and final state of the car shows it was hit directly in the side of the vehicle. Short of a full tubular roll cage, the impact would probably still be fatal as the car is designed to break apart. With a roll cage Rodas probably would have lived, Walker would be iffy as he'd have direct impact. That however doesn't rule out the immediate fire that started from the fluid. That's the devil in the details here. In this crash, they were probably dead on impact, but with a cage they probably would have been unconscious. However; the fire started and spread so quickly they would have never made it out. It would have been like a lot of airplane crashes. Most don't die from the crash, they die from the thousands of gallons of jet fuel that are stored in the bottom of the tube you are riding in that just broke apart an ignited.

My issue with the comments here are that people think they deserved to die because they were doing a high rate of speed, which to them means they were screwing off and deserve it. That's a fucking pitiful thing to say, first of all, and it's pretty uneducated as well when you have no clue about cars and performance. High performance cars are made to handle and travel at high speeds, it doesn't mean you are out of control or acting like a dick. 120mph in a Carrera GT probably feels like 60mph in a normal car. My '13 Shelby does 60mph in 1st gear, it's RPMs are 1600 at 80mph. It'll do close to 200MPH top speed. I could (but I don't) travel I-95 every day at 100mph and feel completely comfortable and in control and not be "screwing off" or putting anyone else in danger (before anyone says it, people constantly do 85-90mph between D.C. and Philly and they DON'T drive high performance cars). When shit breaks, everything goes out the window and a direct result is a clusterfuck.

If you want to see an instance where I may agree with some of you, then it would be the guy from Jackass (Ryan Dunn) who crashed his Porsche GT3 in West Chester. Drunk, high rate of speed late at night.

All of this is for naught though. The non-automotive men are not going to understand all of this, nor will it change their mind.

As long as you have a high performance car, it is completely safe and justifiable for the operator to drive well over 100mph (in a residential zone). If the operator shall fail to maintain control, it will never be the operators fault. Mechanical failure I tell you! No way that excessive speed caused the failure... Yes, they were screwing off, out of control, reckless, careless, being dicks etc etc. They had no justifiable reason to do what they were doing. They wanted to live dangerously and they paid for it. Hard to feel sympathy for them in this situation. We all should be thankful that they didn't kill anyone else. We (mainly you) should comprehend that even professional drivers operating high performance vehicles are not immune to failure to maintain control.

Nick Hogan says hello. Oh wait, that doesn't count, right?

 

[PP]

As long as you have a high performance car, it is completely safe and justifiable for the operator to drive well over 100mph (in a residential zone). If the operator shall fail to maintain control, it will never be the operators fault. Mechanical failure I tell you! No way that excessive speed caused the failure... Yes, they were screwing off, out of control, reckless, careless, being dicks etc etc. They had no justifiable reason to do what they were doing. They wanted to live dangerously and they paid for it. Hard to feel sympathy for them in this situation. We all should be thankful that they didn't kill anyone else. We (mainly you) should comprehend that even professional drivers operating high performance vehicles are not immune to failure to maintain control.

Nick Hogan says hello. Oh wait, that doesn't count, right?

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[Champ]

 

[Cornelius]

 

He'll be back for F&F 8

 

[nickp50010]

Maybe, depends on many variables. They weren't surviving this wreck even at 60mph though. Lack of skid marks shows the loss of control was sudden. And impact and final state of the car shows it was hit directly in the side of the vehicle. Short of a full tubular roll cage, the impact would probably still be fatal as the car is designed to break apart. With a roll cage Rodas probably would have lived, Walker would be iffy as he'd have direct impact. That however doesn't rule out the immediate fire that started from the fluid. That's the devil in the details here. In this crash, they were probably dead on impact, but with a cage they probably would have been unconscious. However; the fire started and spread so quickly they would have never made it out. It would have been like a lot of airplane crashes. Most don't die from the crash, they die from the thousands of gallons of jet fuel that are stored in the bottom of the tube you are riding in that just broke apart an ignited.

My issue with the comments here are that people think they deserved to die because they were doing a high rate of speed, which to them means they were screwing off and deserve it. That's a fucking pitiful thing to say, first of all, and it's pretty uneducated as well when you have no clue about cars and performance. High performance cars are made to handle and travel at high speeds, it doesn't mean you are out of control or acting like a dick. 120mph in a Carrera GT probably feels like 60mph in a normal car. My '13 Shelby does 60mph in 1st gear, it's RPMs are 1600 at 80mph. It'll do close to 200MPH top speed. I could (but I don't) travel I-95 every day at 100mph and feel completely comfortable and in control and not be "screwing off" or putting anyone else in danger (before anyone says it, people constantly do 85-90mph between D.C. and Philly and they DON'T drive high performance cars). When shit breaks, everything goes out the window and a direct result is a clusterfuck.

If you want to see an instance where I may agree with some of you, then it would be the guy from Jackass (Ryan Dunn) who crashed his Porsche GT3 in West Chester. Drunk, high rate of speed late at night.

All of this is for naught though. The non-automotive men are not going to understand all of this, nor will it change their mind.

Apparently not so. Apparently, professionals and experts (you know, automotive men) disagree with you. Maybe their knowledge (which they gained from operating the car) is FUBAR since they may not own a '13 Shelby (BTW, what was the point of tossing that out there?) Is it fun when you throw shit at the wall to see what sticks?

The car, which sold for $450,000 when new, is a notoriously difficult vehicle to handle, even for professional drivers, according to Autoweek magazine. A top driver called it "scary," the magazine reported Sunday. It is powered by a V-10, 610-hp engine.

 

[dave]

They were out for a joyride in a car that they knew was having problems. And they still chose to push it to 120. And there was skid marks at the scene, so Mr. Professional Driver Automotive Man did lose control...probably because...wait for it...he was going too fast when whatever went wrong, did.

Don't think anybody thinks they deserved to die. My point, was i'm glad nobody was out walking a dog or taking a jog or driving in the other direction when these "automotive men" were recklessly doing NASCAR speeds on a public road. I mean, if i'm being honest I don't feel particularly bad for them because you sorta ask for it if you do what they did, but they didn't "deserve" to die.

I think your first paragraph is a bunch of bullshit, but playing along, if they die at 40mph, two things. One, i'd feel more remorse. Two, it tells me these shitty cars need to either be more safe, or not be street legal. But don't sit here and pretend the speed has nothing to do with it in order to justify your hobby. Obviously the risk factor for something like this expands exponentially the faster you go. Don't be dense.

It frightens me that I agree with Warner. But he's right, clearly laws were being broken here and unnecessary risks were being taken. I absolutely wish Paul Walker didn't die in this accident, I love the Fast and Furious series, loved Eight Below and Varsity Blues ... but, at the end of the day, this was simply a case of two people driving way, way over the speed limit and paying for bad judgement. Again, they didn't deserve to die, but to say they're completely blameless in this is simply being a fan.

 

[Glenbino]

Apparently not so. Apparently, professionals and experts (you know, automotive men) disagree with you. Maybe their knowledge (which they gained from operating the car) is FUBAR since they may not own a '13 Shelby (BTW, what was the point of tossing that out there?) Is it fun when you throw shit at the wall to see what sticks?

Clearly not the type of automotive insiders that f16 associates with on FinsHeaven.

As we all know from the past.. Insiders at FinsHeaven = know better than anyone at VSN.

 

[Pitty]

non-automotive guy gonna flash his vagina like a non-automotive guy.

Lemme guess, you're one of those people who says "SLOW DOWN!! There could be deer down this road!!" As if you going 30mph or 60mph determines the CHANCE probability that the deer jumps in front of you 30 feet in front of your car, or 130 feet. Amirite????

I also heard driving fast means you have a big penis too.

Doing dangerous shit is fun man!

 

[f16harm]

This is why I love MM/OS/VSN/any other names it's had.

 

[Tailback U]

This is why I love MM/OS/VSN/any other names it's had.

Me too. I get a huge kick out of it when know it alls like you look like total idiots but continue to spout off useless information like it's going to help your retarded statement. And then you just dig yourself deeper and deeper into a hole, claim to do something you can't, and 15 pages later you admit that you're wrong and you know nothing about cars and that you were just joking around to "boost forum activity."

It's really fantastic.

 

[f16harm]

Me too. I get a huge kick out of it when know it alls like you look like total idiots but continue to spout off useless information like it's going to help your retarded statement. And then you just dig yourself deeper and deeper into a whole, 15 pages later you admit that you're wrong and you know nothing about cars and that you were just doing this to "boost forum activity."

It's really fantastic.

LOL, says the know-it-all, angry, half-breed himself with emotional and self-esteem issues. Go back to the Jonathan Martin bullying thread and start climbing out of your hole you guilty, post-bullying hot mess.

There's probably 3 or 4 people on this forum that know cars like I do, and can back it up with what they drive and have done. I know two of them are MVPete and Atlas. As for the overwhelming majority here, it should be on the list of topics no one should be giving advice on here, which IMO also includes the topics of finance, children, and marriage. You, W2B, and the other contingent of driving homophobes probably can't even change the oil on your car, or could even point out the drain plug. As a person whose family has been in the business for years, I have no desire to listen to your pontifications. Think of it like you and Rosetta not wanting to hear most of what people say about fitness/lifting. In fairness to Rosetta though, his knowledge far exceeds yours.

 

[PP]

LOL, says the know-it-all, angry, half-breed himself with emotional and self-esteem issues. Go back to the Jonathan Martin bullying thread and start climbing out of your hole you guilty, post-bullying hot mess.

There's probably 3 or 4 people on this forum that know cars like I do, and can back it up with what they drive and have done. I know two of them are MVPete and Atlas. As for the overwhelming majority here, it should be on the list of topics no one should be giving advice on here, which IMO also includes the topics of finance, children, and marriage. You, W2B, and the other contingent of driving homophobes probably can't even change the oil on your car, or could even point out the drain plug. As a person whose family has been in the business for years, I have no desire to listen to your pontifications. Think of it like you and Rosetta not wanting to hear most of what people say about fitness/lifting. In fairness to Rosetta though, his knowledge far exceeds yours.

I go to the 10 minute express oil change with my 09 Honda Civic. What does that have to do with these two guys obviously speeding with a sports car on a public road? I don't care if you are Dale Jarret you don't need to be racing your Porche on a public road which could endanger other people. It is careless and stupid either way.

 

[Argath]

http://www.nbcnews.com/entertainmen...ro-daughter-heart-soul-his-charity-2D11683842

NBC reporting that law enforcement officials believe the car was only doing 40-45 mph at time of crash :dd:

 

[f16harm]

http://www.nbcnews.com/entertainmen...ro-daughter-heart-soul-his-charity-2D11683842

NBC reporting that law enforcement officials believe the car was only doing 40-45 mph at time of crash :dd:

Well, clearly these law enforcement people haven't spoken to some of the guys here at VSN. Accidents like this cannot happen at 40-45 mph, only at 100-120mph. They haven't been informed by the VSN car elite that when you travel at a slower speed it all but rules out high levels of damage AND completely random events (mechanical failures, deer acting on disregard for humans).

Another potential cause I have read is there may have been a tire blowout. The tires on the CGT have been known to be less than stellar, with a weak sidewall and prone to early dry rot/breakdown.

I go to the 10 minute express oil change with my 09 Honda Civic. What does that have to do with these two guys obviously speeding with a sports car on a public road? I don't care if you are Dale Jarret you don't need to be racing your Porche on a public road which could endanger other people. It is careless and stupid either way.

It has to do with my main point being: Non car people have their own agendas and beliefs, which are usually completely wrong because they are ignorant and/or disinterested in the topic, in addition to having no real education on how a car works or how to control one. It's like me giving rash opinions and analysis on the electrician who severely burned or electrocuted them self (He must have been screwing off or a shitty electrician because he got hurt/died!!)

 

[MrBill]

So Paul Walker's girlfriend was 23 years old...and they had been dating for 7 years :shifty:

 

[Argath]

Well, clearly these law enforcement people haven't spoken to some of the guys here at VSN. Accidents like this cannot happen at 40-45 mph, only at 100-120mph. They haven't been informed by the VSN car elite that when you travel at a slower speed it all but rules out high levels of damage AND completely random events (mechanical failures, deer acting on disregard for humans).

Another potential cause I have read is there may have been a tire blowout. The tires on the CGT have been known to be less than stellar, with a weak sidewall and prone to early dry rot/breakdown.

It has to do with my main point being: Non car people have their own agendas and beliefs, which are usually completely wrong because they are ignorant and/or disinterested in the topic, in addition to having no real education on how a car works or how to control one. It's like me giving rash opinions and analysis on the electrician who severely burned or electrocuted them self (He must have been screwing off or a shitty electrician because he got hurt/died!!)

They were still going 3 times the posted speed limit (15mph) for the turn :dd:

 

[Glenbino]

They were still going 3 times the posted speed limit (15mph) for the turn :dd:

Doesn't matter...

Laws of the road and physics do not apply to true automotive men. :yup: