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PFT: Garcia On Track To Take Job From JaMarcus?

LOL at page after page of some idiot not only defending JaMarcus Russell, but going on to compare Russell to John Elway. Dude, STFU.

Then some other idiot chimes in with "JaMarcus Russell will never be a good QB in an Al Davis system". WTF? I thought he was a 'perfect fit' when he was the #1 overall pick. If Russell can't excel in a run heavy, deep-throwing system, what system WOULD he excel in?

Russell has been a HUGE disappointment thus far. Luckily Alex Smith performed worse a few years ago, but the 49ers at least figured that out right away and gave some other QBs a chance.
 
LOL at page after page of some idiot not only defending JaMarcus Russell, but going on to compare Russell to John Elway. Dude, STFU.

Then some other idiot chimes in with "JaMarcus Russell will never be a good QB in an Al Davis system". WTF? I thought he was a 'perfect fit' when he was the #1 overall pick. If Russell can't excel in a run heavy, deep-throwing system, what system WOULD he excel in?

Russell has been a HUGE disappointment thus far. Luckily Alex Smith performed worse a few years ago, but the 49ers at least figured that out right away and gave some other QBs a chance.

All I was saying is that Elway didn't have a great rookie year and he turned out to be one of the best. I'm just sayin a player shouldn't be judged on just 1 year of play. That is all.
 
All I was saying is that Elway didn't have a great rookie year and he turned out to be one of the best. I'm just sayin a player shouldn't be judged on just 1 year of play. That is all.

I can think of about 5000 players who didn't have great rookie years...don't know why you chose John Elway. When Elway was coming out of college, he was regarded as the best QB prospect since Terry Bradshaw, and most people thought he was the best QB prospect ever. As someone else said, Russell wasn't even that remarkable in college. He was even less accomplished than Ryan Leaf. I would equate Russell with Alex Smith and Tim Couch, two QBs who were selected #1 overall just because they played the QB position.
 
I can think of about 5000 players who didn't have great rookie years...don't know why you chose John Elway. When Elway was coming out of college, he was regarded as the best QB prospect since Terry Bradshaw, and most people thought he was the best QB prospect ever. As someone else said, Russell wasn't even that remarkable in college. He was even less accomplished than Ryan Leaf. I would equate Russell with Alex Smith and Tim Couch, two QBs who were selected #1 overall just because they played the QB position.

I only chose elway because the dude I was talking to is a broncos fan.
 
I can think of about 5000 players who didn't have great rookie years...don't know why you chose John Elway. When Elway was coming out of college, he was regarded as the best QB prospect since Terry Bradshaw, and most people thought he was the best QB prospect ever. As someone else said, Russell wasn't even that remarkable in college. He was even less accomplished than Ryan Leaf. I would equate Russell with Alex Smith and Tim Couch and Matthew Stafford, three QBs who were selected #1 overall just because they played the QB position.

Fixed it for you.
 
Here's a little tidbit, when you end post with "fuck the raiders," it makes you look like one big fucking moron. Not only does your post lose all credibility, but everyone on the forum says "wow this guy is a fucking moron."

GoblinSlayer, it's fucking hilarious to me how you act like your team is one of the best franchises ever. The Denver Broncos were a fucking joke of a team at one point. They were so much of a joke that they were made fun of on The Simpsons. I know you're a fucking child and you don't have the knowledge of your teams history, but the fact of the matter is that the Raiders lead the all-time series against the Denver Broncos and have more Super Bowl trophies than the Denver Broncos.

And your team just traded it's franchise QB for a fucking drunk moron. What are you laughing at, your team is going to be worse than it was last season and we beat you last season.

PS - Getting into internet message board fights when you are drunk is way more fun.


lol dude, my team has been respectible at the very least my entire life, almost every year they're in the playoff hunt. That's what matters to me. Your team on the other hand has been nothing but shit for 7 years now.

Also lol at the picks glen, I've never seen those before.
 
Here's a little tidbit, when you end post with "fuck the raiders," it makes you look like one big fucking moron. Not only does your post lose all credibility, but everyone on the forum says "wow this guy is a fucking moron."
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a titbit for you, saying fuck the raiders only pisses off gay ass raider fans, who are blind to the fact that their team and their team's way of doing shit is crap. The only people who lose credibility on here are the one who root for a team expecting different resluts even though they know deep down that team will suck until a certain someone dies.

P.S. fuck the raiders

P.P.S. and fuck you too.
 
Here's a little tidbit, when you end post with "fuck the raiders," it makes you look like one big fucking moron. Not only does your post lose all credibility, but everyone on the forum says "wow this guy is a fucking moron."
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a titbit for you, saying fuck the raiders only pisses off gay ass raider fans, who are blind to the fact that their team and their team's way of doing shit is crap. The only people who lose credibility on here are the one who root for a team expecting different resluts even though they know deep down that team will suck until a certain someone dies.

P.S. fuck the raiders

P.P.S. and fuck you too.

i thought about reading your post but then realized it's probably just a bunch old man jibberish bullshit that would be a complete waste of time.
 
lol dude, my team has been respectible at the very least my entire life, almost every year they're in the playoff hunt. That's what matters to me. Your team on the other hand has been nothing but shit for 7 years now.
I knew you didn't know shit about football from the moment you started posting, but this just confirms it.

Stick to Batman comics, kid.
 
Why it's not time to panic yet:

will start by writing that all players taken with the first pick of the NFL Draft are held to a very high standard. Much is expected from the player when a Team drafts a player so high and spends the kind of money required to get them under contract.

Lets take a closer look at number one draft picks at QB that became pretty good in the NFL and what their first couple years looked like.



J Elway 1983, 11 Games, 47.5 Cmp%, 7 TD - 14 Int, 54.9 QB Rtg

1984, 15 Games, 56.3 Cmp%, 18 TD - 15 Int, 76.8 QB Rtg



T Aikman 1989, 11 Games, 52.9 Cmp%, 9 TD - 18 Int, 55.7 QB Rtg

1990, 15 Games, 56.6 Cmp%, 11 TD - 18 Int, 66.6 QB Rtg



P Manning 1998, 16 Games, 56.7 Cmp%, 26 TD - 28 Int, 71.2 QB Rtg

1999, 16 Games, 62.1 Cmp%, 26 TD - 15 Int, 90.7 QB Rtg



E Manning 2004, 9 Games, 48.2 Cmp%, 6 TD - 9 Int, 55.4 QB Rtg

2005, 16 Games, 52.8 Cmp%, 24 TD - 17 Int, 75.9 QB Rtg



And now let us take a look at how JaMarcus Russell's first 16 Game starts stacks up against the Quarterbacks listed above.



J Russell 2007, 1 Games, 54.5 Cmp%, 2 TD - 4 Int, 55.9 QB Rtg

2008, 15 Games, 53.8 Cmp%, 13 TD - 8 Int, 77.1 QB Rtg



J. Russell has a higher QB Rating over his first and second years then John Elway, Troy Aikman, Ely Manning and only P. Manning had a QB Rating higher then Russell's in his second year.

As far as being able to make the proper decisions on throwing and protecting the ball. J. Russell's has most of the QB's listed above beat on TD's made to INT's thrown as well.

Many people in the Media have tried to imply that J. Russell and his play has been so far below other number one picks. That have went on to become Franchise Quarterbacks in the NFL which could not be further from the truth.

They would have you believe that J. Garcia was brought in to replace Russell which also could not be further from the truth. To me there is nothing worse then to have people writing about the NFL that try to portray themselves as some sort of expert that are anything but.

I have just read a post on ProFootballTalk where an Ambulance Chaser turned wannabe NFL expert wrote the following about J Russell. I am paraphrasing but he implies that Russell is a bust and Garcia was brought in to replace Russell and will do so by the third game of the season.

The reason I go to the site above is that they take the time to go around and repost NFL information from all the media sources. It saves me a lot of time finding most of the information in one place. It is when the owner puts up his youtube video, and plays ESPN Sports Desk and trying to come off as an NFL expert that I have to laugh.

A blind man can see from what the Raiders have been doing both in Free Agency and the Draft. By the assistant coaches brought in as well as the type of players. And that includes Jeff Garcia. The offense that is being installed. Everything the Raiders are doing is revolving around their young Franchise QB, a blind man should be able to see it.

And mark my words, JaMarcus Russell will become a very good NFL Quarterback. Sure the Raiders and coach Cable want Russell to get better and become a top flight leader and QB and it is coach Cables job to push his young stud.

But do not let anyone kid you, the Raiders know what they have in Russell and are doing everything they can to put him in a position to succeed.

You have a clown like Trent Dilfer that threw 1 TD to 6 INT's with a QB Rating of 36.3 his first year. In Dilfers second year playing 16 games he threw 4 TD's TO 18 INT's with a QB Rating of 60.1 and the guy talks about Russell's tools?, are you kidding me.

This will be J. Russells 2nd year as the Raiders full time starter and I am expecting to see JaMarcus start to take his place along side the better QB's in the NFL.

Pretty much sums up most Raider fans' thoughts about this situation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/175251-it-is-pin-the-tail-on-jamarcus-russell-time-again
 
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right cuz russel is so much like elway, aikman and manning... didnt those other three have owners who built a team around them?
 
right cuz russel is so much like elway, aikman and manning... didnt those other three have owners who built a team around them?

Can you even read? The Raiders are building the offense around him. We have a nice 3-headed-monster in the backfield with Fargas, McFadden, and Bush. Not to mention Lorenzo Neal and Oren O'Neal are two of the better run-blocking fullbacks in the league.

I don't agree with the DHB pick for other reasons, but the fact remains that he is super talented and extremely fast and could really help JR's development by stretching the field.

Zach Miller is a top 10 TE in this league as well.

You can't just build a team overnight, it literally takes years.
 
Russell has been a HUGE disappointment thus far. Luckily Alex Smith performed worse a few years ago, but the 49ers at least figured that out right away and gave some other QBs a chance.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Alex Smith started 30 for the 49ers before he started getting hurt and they looked elsewhere.

Russell has started 16. Alex Smith played twice as long as JR before the 49ers gave any other QBs a chance.
 
look i dont think russel is a bust, but i dont think he is manning, elway or aikman by a long shot. the riaders still havent done shit about their offensive line and about them having a 3 headed momster of a run game... since when does al davis want to pound it out on the ground?

and no i cant read. i'm fucking illiterate, you got a problem with that or do you want to make fun of me cuz i am disabled?

P.S. fuck the raiders
 
look i dont think russel is a bust, but i dont think he is manning, elway or aikman by a long shot. the riaders still havent done shit about their offensive line and about them having a 3 headed momster of a run game... since when does al davis want to pound it out on the ground?

and no i cant read. i'm fucking illiterate, you got a problem with that or do you want to make fun of me cuz i am disabled?

P.S. fuck the raiders

Nobody thinks is he Manning, Elway, or Aikman and nobody is trying to convince anyone else of that, either. So why you are even bringing that comparison up is beyond me.

The Raiders have had one of the better running games in the league the last couple of seasons, which further proves my point that you really don't know shit about anything outside of Pittsburgh.

Russell threw the least passes out of any starting QB in the league last year and will most likely be toward the bottom of the league again this coming season as Tom Cable has already said that the Raiders are a run first team and will continue to be so with the development of JR.

Russell and Cable have both said that the Raiders are going to be a run first offense. And the Raiders will have a much different looking OL this season with the additions of Khalif Barnes, Samson Satele, and Erik Pears. Anything is an upgrade compared to what we had last season, and if these guys can click in the zone run-blocking scheme that the Raiders run, the Raiders should have a much better offense this year.

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Al Davis has long been noted for his preference for the long ball, but this year's version of the Raiders' offense may force the owner to appreciate the mantra "three yards and a cloud of dust."

Under the direction of new coach Tom Cable, the Raiders are relying on a talented stable of backs and a rebuilt offensive line to anchor a smash-mouth attack that will attempt to bludgeon opponents with the run.

Even though the Raiders have a 9-23 record over the past two years, the team has ranked in the top 10 in rushing both seasons and has shown promise as one of the league's top rushing attacks. Led by a three-headed monster at running back, the Raiders are capable of attacking defenses with a diverse ground game that features a balanced mixture of inside and outside runs.

Darren McFadden, the team's top draft pick a year ago, serves as the home-run hitter in the lineup and excels at running on the perimeter. As an upright runner with a sprinter's speed, McFadden gets the majority of his carries on outside zone plays or delayed draws. His outstanding burst allows him to quickly get to the second level and he flashes nifty cutback ability in space.

Justin Fargas, who led the team with 853 rushing yards in 2008, is a gritty between-the-tackles runner. Though he lacks exceptional size, he is a tough, hard-nosed runner with deceptive strength and power. Fargas rarely goes down on first contact and often surprises defenders with his pop.

The wild card of the bunch is Michael Bush. The third-year pro missed all of his rookie season while recovering from a broken leg suffered in college. He burst onto the scene last season with an eye-popping performance to close the year. Bush rushed for 177 yards and two scores against the Bucs in Week 17, displaying the smooth, gliding running style that made him a highly-regarded prospect heading into his senior season at Louisville.

With three running backs capable of 100-yard games, the Raiders are wise to build their offense around the running game. This offseason has seen the team add pieces around the trio, which should allow the Raiders to punish defenses at will with the ground attack.

First, the team started retooling an offensive line that struggled with its consistency in the team's zone-based scheme last season. The team jettisoned Kwame Harris and Jake Grove during the offseason. In their place, the Raiders added Khalif Barnes and Samson Satele.

Barnes, who spent the past four seasons starting at left tackle for the Jaguars, gives the team an athletic edge blocker. He excels in the running game and could potentially team up with Robert Gallery to give the Raiders a dominant side to direct their rushing attack.

Satele, acquired in a trade with the Dolphins, gives the team a more physical presence at the pivot. He mauls defenders at the point and has the strength to create a consistent push up the middle. With the Raiders intent on running the ball between the tackles, Satele's ability to control the line of scrimmage becomes critical to their success.
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In a live chat Thursday on NFL.com, Warren Sapp touched on several Raiders topics, including JaMarcus Russell and Al Davis, and who would win a hot-dog eating contest between himself and Raiders coach Tom Cable. He also had this to say about the Raiders' notorious Black Hole:

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The team also signed Erik Pears during free agency to compete with Cornell Green at the right tackle position. Pears, who started 26 games for the Broncos over the past three seasons, understands the nuances of the zone-based scheme and should be a better fit athletically on the edge. If he eventually unseats Green for the position, the Raiders will sport a more physical and athletic unit in 2009.

However, the final piece to the puzzle comes in the form of hammerhead blocking fullback Lorenzo Neal. The 16-year pro has paved the way for numerous 1,000-yard backs throughout his career, and he is lauded for his ability to lead runners through small creases in the middle of the defense. With the Raiders intent on relentlessly running the ball between the tackles, the decision to add Neal to the lineup could wind up as the team's best offseason move.

Now that the Raiders sport a beefed-up running game with outstanding potential, the team may finally see the best of quarterback JaMarcus Russell in 2009. The third-year pro has superior arm strength and is at his best when allowed to throw the ball down the field. With defenses forced to play eight-man fronts against the Raiders' formidable rushing attack, Russell will have plenty of opportunities to take deep shots against one-on-one coverage on the outside.

This is part of the reason why the team opted for Darrius Heyward-Bey with the seventh overall pick in the draft. He gives them a legitimate deep threat on the outside.

In addition, the threat of the run brings linebackers and safeties closer to the line of scrimmage and creates bigger windows for Russell to hit tight ends and receivers over the middle. Zach Miller led the team in receptions (56) a year ago and he could be an even bigger factor this season with the team incorporating more play-action passing.

The Raiders are by no means ready to compete with the ranks of the elite, but a renewed commitment to the run has them back on the road to respectability.
 
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Nobody thinks is he Manning, Elway, or Aikman and nobody is trying to convince anyone else of that, either. So why you are even bringing that comparison up is beyond me.

n1gga are you deaf?!?! you're the one who keeps posting stats comparing the 4 of them!!!!
 
n1gga are you deaf?!?! you're the one who keeps posting stats comparing the 4 of them!!!!

You really one dumb motherfucker aren't you?

I'm posting the stats to prove a point that even the greatest QB's of all time struggled in their first 2 seasons. If those guys can't even come into the league and play well, why the fuck should anyone else be to?
 
Show me where Dan Marino struggled you stupid fuck. How fucking dare you make a statement about "greatest QBs of all time" and leave out Dan "Mother Fucking" Marino. Fucker

Dan Marino never even won a fucking Super Bowl. I'd rather be Aikman than Dan Marino any day of the week.

Records can and will be broken. Nobody can ever take away rings from you, though.
 
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