PFT: Garcia On Track To Take Job From JaMarcus?

[Hasselbeck]

Picked up the new SI today, and in the NFL section they said that Russell looks like shit in mini camp with his accuracy.

He's looked like shit with his accuracy since his days at LSU.

But don't tell Raider fans that.

 

[dave]

I think your mistake is in assuming that whenever he throws it deep there is someone open and he is missing them. I don't think his WR has ever gotten open on a deep ball. Most of those throws are in places only the WR can catch but obviously doesn't or a throw-away.

This is not a very hard concept to understand. WRs never open = throwing the ball into fuck knows where as long as its not a pick. No, Russell's not fucking Tom Brady but you're talking like he's throwing McNabb grounders at his WRs.

Why bash McNabb?

He's had a damn fine career.

 

[Tailback U]

He's looked like shit with his accuracy since his days at LSU.

But don't tell Raider fans that.

He completed 67.8% of his passes his junior year at LSU.

He's had accuracy problems in the NFL, no doubt, but at least check your facts before you start spewing bullshit like the rest of these fools.

I expected more out of you since I know you know football.

 

[FirstTimer]

He completed 67.8% of his passes his junior year at LSU.

He's had accuracy problems in the NFL, no doubt, but at least check your facts before you start spewing bullshit like the rest of these fools.

I expected more out of you since I know you know football.

Yeah he completed a high percentage of his passes his junior year but they also took the ball out of Russell's hands for the last half of the year and turned into a run first team. If you look at the stats when Russell threw the ball 30+ times a game in college he had problems. LSU overcame this by running the ball more and having Russell play a lot in 4-5 WR sets. Spreading the defense out and completing easy passes to WR's underneath. Honestly for all Russell's arm strength he rarely threw deep in college. He did have accuracy issues in college but LSU ddi a good job planning around them and hiding them and putting JR in situations where it wasn't as much of an issue.


IIRC Russell wasn't even the best QB in the SEC that season. It was Andre Woodson.

 

[Senser81]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Alex Smith started 30 for the 49ers before he started getting hurt and they looked elsewhere.

Russell has started 16. Alex Smith played twice as long as JR before the 49ers gave any other QBs a chance.

I'm just warning everyone that this is gonna be a LONG thread because I have to respond to every dumbass thing Tailback U says.

LOL at your response. Smith actually started his rookie year, like every #1 overall pick has done with the exception of JaMarcus Russell. OBVIOUSLY that is going to result in Smith having started more games than Russell...because Russell didn't even start his rookie year!! Is that supposed to be a point in Russell's favor, that he sat on the bench behind Andrew Walter?

Smith had an awful rookie year, as did Russell. Smith had an ok 2nd year, which people probably thought was better than it actually was because they were used to Smith sucking...as did Russell. Smith continued to suck in his 3rd year, and the Niners cut bait before mid-year. I'd say thats a damn fine job by the Niners organization admitting their mistake and moving on.

Do you honestly think the Raiders are going to permanently bench Russell by Week 7 this year?

 

[Senser81]

JR at LSU:

tats Overview	Passing
YEAR	 CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
2004	73	144	1053	50.7	7.31	42	9	4	13	127.19
2005	188	311	2443	60.5	7.86	50	15	9	21	136.56
2006	232	342	3129	67.8	9.15	58	28	8	16	167.03

52 touchdowns and 21 picks in 3 years. Not to mention a 68% completion percentage his junior season at LSU. Yeah, you're right, pretty shitty. He's no Chad Henne, that's for sure:

Stats Overview	Passing
YEAR	 CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
2004	240	399	2743	60.2	6.88	69	25	12	29	132.56
2005	223	382	2551	58.4	6.68	58	23	8	21	130.15
2006	203	328	2508	61.9	7.65	69	22	8	24	143.37
2007	162	278	1938	58.3	6.97	65	17	9	16	130.54

And because it's obvious you guys don't actually watch football and are just talking out of your asses, LSU plays in the SEC, which is the toughest conference in college football.

LOL at some asshat trying to justify a #1 overall pick who is going into his 3rd NFL season by quoting his COLLEGE STATS. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a message board. Its hard enough to see any significance in college stats when we are comparing collegiate players to each other...I've never seen a person actually use college stats when discussing a 3rd year NFL player. Should we be expecting a big season from Kliff Kingsbury this year? Will Jay Cutler be benched in Chicago for Brett Basanez?

If you are going to go by 2006 SEC stats, then when do the Raiders acquire Andre Woodson and start him over Russell?

I thought your comparisons to Elway, Marino, etc. were retarded, but your comparison to Chad Henne takes the cake.

 

[ralaw]

The only thing anybody can knock about him right now is his work ethic and lack of leadership skills.

IMO these aren't aquired skills, so I don't see him improving much. A QB who lacks a work ethic and leadership skills isn't going to be much in the league. I don't care what type of talent they have.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL at some asshat trying to justify a #1 overall pick who is going into his 3rd NFL season by quoting his COLLEGE STATS. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a message board. Its hard enough to see any significance in college stats when we are comparing collegiate players to each other...I've never seen a person actually use college stats when discussing a 3rd year NFL player. Should we be expecting a big season from Kliff Kingsbury this year? Will Jay Cutler be benched in Chicago for Brett Basanez?

If you are going to go by 2006 SEC stats, then when do the Raiders acquire Andre Woodson and start him over Russell?

I thought your comparisons to Elway, Marino, etc. were retarded, but your comparison to Chad Henne takes the cake.

It's like the Mike Vick debates when people would claim he was a good passer and point to the fact that he lead the nation in passing efficiency in his RS Freshman year of college...................... even though he was throwing the ball barely 15 times a game and only threw 12 TD's.

 

[Senser81]

Is Tailback U worse than BusBoyIsBack?

I am thinking they are the same person. The similarities are striking...

*derogatorily refers to posters who are probably older than him as "kid".

*posts college stats

*when shown the error of his logic, responds with "you must not actually watch the games"

*claims to coach a football team

*downplays Dan Marino's accomplishments

*continually posts articles that have the opinion of 'this will be the year that Player X will finally prove himself'

*compares bad player to HOFers

*gives player bonus points for not playing

 

[f16harm]

PM me and I'll share some stuff.

cop ...... out

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Nice to see Tailback U is as much of a dumbass on VSN also.

 

[Liquidrob]

JR at LSU:

tats Overview	Passing
YEAR	 CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
2004	73	144	1053	50.7	7.31	42	9	4	13	127.19
2005	188	311	2443	60.5	7.86	50	15	9	21	136.56
2006	232	342	3129	67.8	9.15	58	28	8	16	167.03

52 touchdowns and 21 picks in 3 years. Not to mention a 68% completion percentage his junior season at LSU. Yeah, you're right, pretty shitty. He's no Chad Henne, that's for sure:

Stats Overview	Passing
YEAR	 CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
2004	240	399	2743	60.2	6.88	69	25	12	29	132.56
2005	223	382	2551	58.4	6.68	58	23	8	21	130.15
2006	203	328	2508	61.9	7.65	69	22	8	24	143.37
2007	162	278	1938	58.3	6.97	65	17	9	16	130.54

And because it's obvious you guys don't actually watch football and are just talking out of your asses, LSU plays in the SEC, which is the toughest conference in college football.

against the big time teams russel didnt perform, he racked up numbers against the average teams and had some nice stats

russell starting getting all the hype after the bowl game

he should have been to a NC game with those teams, I guess LSU just needed matt flyyn to win a title...

also, lol @ his only problems are his work ethic and leadership, I'm sure he will get right on those issues and fix them

 

[Goober]

Nice to see Tailback U is as much of a dumbass on VSN also.

yup.

 

[Tailback U]

LOL at some asshat trying to justify a #1 overall pick who is going into his 3rd NFL season by quoting his COLLEGE STATS. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a message board.

So you don't consider college stats when drafting a player #1 overall? That's news to me.

Its hard enough to see any significance in college stats when we are comparing collegiate players to each other...I've never seen a person actually use college stats when discussing a 3rd year NFL player. Should we be expecting a big season from Kliff Kingsbury this year? Will Jay Cutler be benched in Chicago for Brett Basanez?

I brought up his college stats because several people on here started bashing Russell's career at LSU which was actually good, as his stats prove. I never said his college stats have any bearing on how he will perform in the NFL, all I said was that his accuracy and performance in college was not nearly as bad as some of you are trying to make it out to be. Again, his college stats prove this.

If you are going to go by 2006 SEC stats, then when do the Raiders acquire Andre Woodson and start him over Russell?

I thought your comparisons to Elway, Marino, etc. were retarded, but your comparison to Chad Henne takes the cake.

I only brought up Henne to rub it in Houtz's face for saying Henne is the next Dan Marino when he hasn't done jack shit.

 

[Tailback U]

against the big time teams russel didnt perform, he racked up numbers against the average teams and had some nice stats

russell starting getting all the hype after the bowl game

he should have been to a NC game with those teams, I guess LSU just needed matt flyyn to win a title...

also, lol @ his only problems are his work ethic and leadership, I'm sure he will get right on those issues and fix them

Like I said, I don't think he will ever be great because of his attitude (poor work ethic and leadership). But with experience and confidence he can become a good QB. Will it happen? Nobody knows at this point. Just have to wait and see.

 

[Tailback U]

I'm just warning everyone that this is gonna be a LONG thread because I have to respond to every dumbass thing Tailback U says.

LOL at your response. Smith actually started his rookie year, like every #1 overall pick has done with the exception of JaMarcus Russell. OBVIOUSLY that is going to result in Smith having started more games than Russell...because Russell didn't even start his rookie year!! Is that supposed to be a point in Russell's favor, that he sat on the bench behind Andrew Walter?

Smith had an awful rookie year, as did Russell. Smith had an ok 2nd year, which people probably thought was better than it actually was because they were used to Smith sucking...as did Russell. Smith continued to suck in his 3rd year, and the Niners cut bait before mid-year. I'd say thats a damn fine job by the Niners organization admitting their mistake and moving on.

Do you honestly think the Raiders are going to permanently bench Russell by Week 7 this year?

Why would they bench him by week 7? That would only give him 23 total starts. Alex Smith had 30 starts before he was benched.

I don't care if Alex Smith started his rookie season and Jamarcus Russell didn't. It took the 49ers 30 starts to realize Smith isn't the guy. Russell has started 16. If you want to compare him to Smith, then let the guy play as many games as Smith.

And just because #1's before him started from game 1 doesn't automatically mean it's the right move. The 49ers should not have started Smith right away, they made a mistake by doing that. The Raiders made the right move by not starting JR right away.

 

[Senser81]

So you don't consider college stats when drafting a player #1 overall? That's news to me.

What if the player is a lineman and has no stats?

Stop acting like a fag. Considering the last QB taken in the draft will probably have good college stats, I would hope that the #1 overall pick would have good college stats, too.

I brought up his college stats because several people on here started bashing Russell's career at LSU which was actually good, as his stats prove. I never said his college stats have any bearing on how he will perform in the NFL, all I said was that his accuracy and performance in college was not nearly as bad as some of you are trying to make it out to be. Again, his college stats prove this.

His college stats prove this? He had a good senior year, nothing spectacular. His sophomore and junior years were completely non-descript, unless you think 9 TD passes and 15 TD passes are really good for a college QB. His college stats were incredibly unremarkable for a #1 overall pick. Are we looking at the same stats??

 

[Senser81]

Why would they bench him by week 7? That would only give him 23 total starts. Alex Smith had 30 starts before he was benched.

Do you really NOT understand chronological time? How old are you?

I don't care if Alex Smith started his rookie season and Jamarcus Russell didn't.

I do. Its not like Russell sat on the bench because Ken Stabler was ahead of him...it was Andrew Walter. If you still don't understand the significance of this, then there really is no hope for you.

The Raiders made the right move by not starting JR right away.

Why was it the right move? How can you say this?

 

[Tailback U]

What if the player is a lineman and has no stats?

Stop acting like a fag. Considering the last QB taken in the draft will probably have good college stats, I would hope that the #1 overall pick would have good college stats, too.

Lineman are measured differently, obviously, but they some stats (sacks allowed, pancakes) are still noted.

And what is your point then? Are you arguing that Russell sucked in college or that he was in good in college? Do you even know what you are arguing?

His college stats prove this? He had a good senior year, nothing spectacular. His sophomore and junior years were completely non-descript, unless you think 9 TD passes and 15 TD passes are really good for a college QB. His college stats were incredibly unremarkable for a #1 overall pick. Are we looking at the same stats??

He didn't play his senior year and he struggled mightily his freshman year (only threw 140 passes, compared to 300+ his sophomore and junior seasons). He got significantly better each year, especially in his junior year when compared to his sophomore season.

9 TD passes and 15 TD passes are obviously average at best, but 28 TDs and 8 INTs is good.

Do you really NOT understand chronological time? How old are you?

Do you not understand that you judge a player based on his game play and nothing else? You don't judge a player based on the fact that he has been in the league for 2 years now, you judge him based on how he has played in the number of games that he has played in. What don't you understand about this?

I do. Its not like Russell sat on the bench because Ken Stabler was ahead of him...it was Andrew Walter. If you still don't understand the significance of this, then there really is no hope for you.

Why was it the right move? How can you say this?

Because if you knew anything about this situation at all you would know that Russell missed all of training camp and by the time he joined the team he was too far behind to catch up with the offense. We all know he isn't the most mature QB out there, so throwing him into the mix when he is already having trouble learning the offense would be a mistake.

It's been said time and time again that throwing a QB into the mix too early can be catastrophic to his confidence, see Alex Smith.

It's arguable, obviously, as everyone views the situation differently. Do you throw a QB in early and let him learn like the Mannings or do you let him wait and learn the offense like Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers? I think with a guy like Russell who has a lot to work on, physically and mentally when it comes to playing the QB position, you try to wait as long as you can before throwing him in there.

 

[FirstTimer]

It's arguable, obviously, as everyone views the situation differently. Do you throw a QB in early and let him learn like the Mannings or do you let him wait and learn the offense like Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers? I think with a guy like Russell who has a lot to work on, physically and mentally when it comes to playing the QB position, you try to wait as long as you can before throwing him in there.

Then I suppose I would question the wisdom of drafting a QB #1 overall that needs to learn a lot mentally and physically to play the QB position in the pro's.

Some of which doesn't make sense for JR anyways because coming out of school all people did was rave about his physical tools. Mentally though, he's always been as dumb as rocks. That was a huge knock on him at LSU. LSU's offense was so watered down it wasn't even funny. Whenever JR had to put the game on himself and throw a lot of passes he didn't fair well. Hell his numbers against good teams in college were barely average.

LOL at the Rivers and Rodgers comparison. Rivers sat behind a Pro Bowl caliber QB in Drew Brees and Rodgers was backing up a future HOF'er and one of the best in the game. As if those two situations are even close to JR sitting behind Andrew Walter.