Possible Boise State/Nebraska series stalled because...

[Warner2BruceTD]

whats wrong with taking what FCS, D-II and D-III do to determine and implementing it into the Bowl system we have currently???

Because supposedly, this would totally destroy the regular season. Or something.

Apparently, the regular season is more important than how you determine the champion. Backwards thinking.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Because at large bids are gay...and would use the BCS rankings..or polling...which playoff proponents think are "broken" but are more than willing to use to select teams for a playoff.

Logic fail.

:smug:

Its not a logic fail at all, because as i've already said, I'd rather potentially leave out the 7th or 9th best team, then leave out THE best team.

Like Larry said, in hoops we bitch about bubble teams for about 2 days, then the tournament starts, and nobody cares anymore. Same thing would apply. We'd bitch about one or two teams with a gripe for the #8 spot, then forget about it at kickoff.

 

[JeremyHight]

Because supposedly, this would totally destroy the regular season. Or something.

Apparently, the regular season is more important than how you determine the champion. Backwards thinking.

You clearly know nothing about college football if you think any scenario that makes the regular season matter is the wrong mindset. You were actually advocating a month long playoff earlier. It just shows how little you care about the sport.

 

[FirstTimer]

Its not a logic fail at all, because as i've already said, I'd rather potentially leave out the 7th or 9th best team, then leave out THE best team.

Again...............

It's retarded to create a new system that anyone thinks will be better by using the two old systems what everyone bitched about being "broken". Along with this, how do you even know those are the 7th or 9th best teams? How do you know they might not be the best..but just need the playoff to prove it? Fact of the matter is, you don't, and that's why somehow trying to subjectively choose at large bids and convincing yourself, or any for that matter that you got it right is retarded.

Like Larry said, in hoops we bitch about bubble teams for about 2 days, then the tournament starts, and nobody cares anymore. Same thing would apply. We'd bitch about one or two teams with a gripe for the #8 spot, then forget about it at kickoff.

Name me the last time the 7th, 8th or 9th ranked team in college basketball was left out of the NCAA tournament.

Bitching about Syracuse not getting a 12 seed =/= to Georgia, Iowa, Nebraska, TCU, Boise St, Oregon, Ohio St etc or some other Top 10 team not getting into playoff.

 

[NAHSTE]

Because supposedly, this would totally destroy the regular season. Or something.

Apparently, the regular season is more important than how you determine the champion. Backwards thinking.

Oddly enough it is. Ohio State fans would rather beat Michigan than win their bowl game. Most SEC teams would rather win the conference title than the national title. (Even though the two come hand in hand unless you're Auburn.)

College football started because of regional pride (Princeton challenging Rutgers) and has always been about regional pride. Picking a champion was sort of an accidental occurrence that didn't happen for years down the road.

If any sport can say their regular season is better than the postseason, it's college football. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Why should we have to wait 4 months for important games to start?

I value LSU-Alabama every season, LSU-Florida, LSU-Ole Miss, etc. Not for the BCS implications each game presents, but for the free license I get to openly hate and antagonize people from those schools for an entire year if we win.

College football don't need no fixing. It's about more than who wins a trophy. You can call it backwards, I call it beautiful.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You clearly know nothing about college football if you think any scenario that makes the regular season matter is the wrong mindset. You were actually advocating a month long playoff earlier. It just shows how little you care about the sport.

My argument is that a playoff would make the regular season better. And it would.

You guys are so hung up on rivalries, when NOTHING will ever decrease the importance of them. Playoff, no playoff, bowls, no bowls. Rivalries will never be less intense.

Put a playoff spot at stake, instead of an invite to some bullshit bowl that no one cares about, and now the game is even more intense and meaningful.

Impossible to argue against.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Why don't some of you guys come clean?

It's pretty obvious why an Ohio St fan would want to protect THE CARTEL.

Call it like it is. You like that 20-25 teams control everything, because you are one of them. Lame.

 

[JeremyHight]

My argument is that a playoff would make the regular season better. And it would.

You guys are so hung up on rivalries, when NOTHING will ever decrease the importance of them. Playoff, no playoff, bowls, no bowls. Rivalries will never be less intense.

Put a playoff spot at stake, instead of an invite to some bullshit bowl that no one cares about, and now the game is even more intense and meaningful.

Impossible to argue against.

That completely isn't true. Rivalries are built around the idea that both teams get impacted by whether they win or lose. Look at Michigan and Ohio State. Those teams hate eachother, but what makes the rivalry special is that in years past, each team has ruined the other's chances to win a national title by beating them in the final game. It adds more to the rivalry and really takes it to a whole different level.

Now, all of a sudden, because of some stupid 8+ team playoff, no matter who wins, they both get in the playoffs and even worse, they could face eachother again in the first round, effectively making the 1st game COMPLETELY worthless.

But ya, that wouldn't hurt a rivalry or make regular season games less important. Just wait until you see teams resting their starters like in the NFL because they are preparing for the playoff. Then you will see some great college football action.

Continue to think that college football is the same as every other sport, all it does is show how ignorant you are.

 

[Atlas]

Those used to be 16-team models, which most agree is too many for FBS. Now they've expanded to 24 (because, naturally, teams complained about being left out) which most agree is way too many for FBS.

I think the "slippery slope" argument applies here. The furthest I would ever be willing to see the FCS go is 8 teams.

when did they expand it to 24??? they talked about it a few years ago, but nothing ever went through...

Because at large bids are gay...and would use the BCS rankings..or polling...which playoff proponents think are "broken" but are more than willing to use to select teams for a playoff.

the system is broken as it sits now, but implementing the BCS into determining who makes the playoff makes better use of said system...

You clearly know nothing about college football if you think any scenario that makes the regular season matter is the wrong mindset. You were actually advocating a month long playoff earlier. It just shows how little you care about the sport.

i still have a hard time figuring out how/why you think a playoff would weaken the regular season... you argued OOC games wouldnt matter, but i still think smart coaches would schedule at least 2 good teams for OOC team to prepare them for the playoffs and to "test" the team... the in conference games would possibly be MORE impassioned, as all teams would want to win the conference to get into the playoff...

really, the fairest way to go about this is to use a tiered system: split DI-A into two divisions (i know, just bear with me) organize the 60 best teams into 6 10 team conferences , same with the other 60 in the lower division, all conference winners get into their subsequent playoff, top two teams get a bye, play it out, boom you have a champion... from there, take the 6 playoff teams from the lower division and move them to the upper division the next season, replacing the 6 worst performing teams from the "better" division...

traditionalists will hate it and it will likely never happen, but it is the fairest way to go about things...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That completely isn't true. Rivalries are built around the idea that both teams get impacted by whether they win or lose. Look at Michigan and Ohio State. Those teams hate eachother, but what makes the rivalry special is that in years past, each team has ruined the other's chances to win a national title by beating them in the final game. It adds more to the rivalry and really takes it to a whole different level.

Now, all of a sudden, because of some stupid 8+ team playoff, no matter who wins, they both get in the playoffs and even worse, they could face eachother again in the first round, effectively making the 1st game COMPLETELY worthless.

But ya, that wouldn't hurt a rivalry or make regular season games less important. Just wait until you see teams resting their starters like in the NFL because they are preparing for the playoff. Then you will see some great college football action.

Continue to think that college football is the same as every other sport, all it does is show how ignorant you are.

Oh, it's not the same, because it has a shitty postseason that completely ruins the regular season.

More at stake = more intense. If you don;t understand that, I suppose it shows how ignorant you are.

 

[FirstTimer]

Why don't some of you guys come clean?

It's pretty obvious why an Ohio St fan would want to protect THE CARTEL.

Call it like it is. You like that 20-25 teams control everything, because you are one of them. Lame.

Yeah because as a Notre Dame fan I'm REALLY worried about the next time Notre Dame makes a BCS bowl game..............

 

[FirstTimer]

the system is broken as it sits now, but implementing the BCS into determining who makes the playoff makes better use of said system...

No it doesn't. It just uses two "broken" systems(BCS and Polls) to create an inherently flawed system.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

i still have a hard time figuring out how/why you think a playoff would weaken the regular season...

... the in conference games would possibly be MORE impassioned, as all teams would want to win the conference to get into the playoff...

Impossible to argue.

 

[FirstTimer]

My argument is that a playoff would make the regular season better. And it would.

You guys are so hung up on rivalries, when NOTHING will ever decrease the importance of them. Playoff, no playoff, bowls, no bowls. Rivalries will never be less intense.

Put a playoff spot at stake, instead of an invite to some bullshit bowl that no one cares about, and now the game is even more intense and meaningful.

Impossible to argue against.

When have I mentioned rivalries?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

When have I mentioned rivalries?

Others have, you egomaniac!

 

[FirstTimer]

Impossible to argue.

I'm not arguing against conference champs to get into a playoff. I'm arguing against having at large bids or any other subjective bullshit.

 

[Atlas]

No it doesn't. It just uses two "broken" systems(BCS and Polls) to create an inherently flawed system.

all other divisions of CFB use polls to determine the seeds in the playoff... use the BCS and/or AP and Coaches poll to do the same thing...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm not arguing against conference champs to get into a playoff. I'm arguing against having at large bids or any other subjective bullshit.

I'll take just taking the champs.

I'll take anything over what we have now.

 

[FirstTimer]

all other divisions of CFB use polls to determine the seeds in the playoff... use the BCS and/or AP and Coaches poll to do the same thing...

Ok?............Good for them? And maybe I don't think their systems are worth a shit either in terms of the way they pick teams..........................Polls/BCS=shitty way to pick teams for a playoff.

 

[NAHSTE]

when did they expand it to 24??? they talked about it a few years ago, but nothing ever went through...

I just looked it up, Div II is already at 24 teams but FCS is only set to expand to 20, starting this postseason. I guess there are 4 teams who get byes?

But yeah, now that they've expanded to 20 it'll be 24 then 28 then 32 before you know it. I'm in favor of a playoff, I think the BCS sucks. But I'm worried about the slippery slope aspect of too many teams wanting to be included.

4 team playoff is fine by me. Any undefeated team automatically gets in and from there the top remaining conference champions get in based on a selection committee.