PSU Penalties: $60 Mil Fine, 4-Year Bowl Ban, 40 Schollies Over 4 Years, Wins Vacated

[RyanLeaf16]

I don't have enough time to get into the merits of whether the punishment is warranted or not. However, I will say that if the NCAA suspends the program for one or more seasons, the unintended consequences will be off the scale. You will have so many businesses that relied on gameday business and patrons that will likely be shut down completely. Not saying a suspension of the program is wrong, but, there will be collateral damage among all of this. Plus, if players can transfer freely, the Penn State campus will turn into a meat market ala SMU.

 

[leaffan]

Stolen from a FB friend:

Joe Paterno's statue today but elected to keep his name on the library. Must serve as a reminder to everyone to keep quiet.

It's terrible but I still laughed.

 

[JimLeavy59]

I don't have enough time to get into the merits of whether the punishment is warranted or not. However, I will say that if the NCAA suspends the program for one or more seasons, the unintended consequences will be off the scale. You will have so many businesses that relied on gameday business and patrons that will likely be shut down completely. Not saying a suspension of the program is wrong, but, there will be collateral damage among all of this. Plus, if players can transfer freely, the Penn State campus will turn into a meat market ala SMU.

Agreed the amount of money they are going to lose in the courts is enough to hurt this school.


edit:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...y-receive-unprecedented-penalties-for-scandal


I guess the NCAA is going to give them worse than the death penalty.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Stolen from a FB friend:



It's terrible but I still laughed.

I'm stealing your friend's joke, and not giving credit. That's right, fuck him.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Even better if they do get the death penalty for multiple years I hope it not only kills the program but that the entire surrounding community which depends on the revenue and people brought in by the football withers and dies for how they treated the victims in the aftermath.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

they should of left his statue but cut off the head. that would of been bad ass

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Everyone play with PSU one time before we all have to replace them with a TB team.

 

[JimLeavy59]

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said

I'm really interested in what these are.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

You have to wonder what Bill O'Brien and his staff do in this situation. Not just the coaches, but, equipment guys, administrative employees. These are all people who are, unfortunately, the proverbial collateral damage in this situation. That is, of course, if the football program is suspended. Right now, that is all speculation.

 

[EmpireWF]

I guess the NCAA is going to give them worse than the death penalty.

lol, "unprecedented penalties" is the phrase being passed around.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162...ented-penalties-against-penn-state/?tag=stack

This is gonna get a lot more interesting.

 

[Rayman]

I don't have enough time to get into the merits of whether the punishment is warranted or not. However, I will say that if the NCAA suspends the program for one or more seasons, the unintended consequences will be off the scale. You will have so many businesses that relied on gameday business and patrons that will likely be shut down completely. Not saying a suspension of the program is wrong, but, there will be collateral damage among all of this. Plus, if players can transfer freely, the Penn State campus will turn into a meat market ala SMU.

Weren't Sandusky's preferences for little boys a well-talked-about rumor around town?

Fuck 'em. The town is only what it is because of the program.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Joe Schad has said that it is not the "death penalty" - which would be a suspension of the program and related activities. If it is worse than the "death penalty", but, not the "death penalty," my guess is that it is a significant reduction of scholarships per year for a long period of time (10 yrs.) and that they are likely ineligible for bowl play and television broadcasts for a significant amount of time as well. That is the only way I could see it being worse than the "death penalty."

 

[RyanLeaf16]

I don't know if that was the case and the likelihood is that can only be proven to be speculation. It would be hard to prove that the town was engaged in a cover-up.

I believed before the Freeh report, and after, that Paterno was more involved than originally suspected which is why I have no issues with his name being removed from the program, and university, entirely. However, PSU has yet to do that since they left his name up on the library.

 

[JeremyHight]

I'm guessing it will be a 3+ year post-season ban and a loss of about 8 scholarships per year for 4 years.. That is the only thing that could possibly be worse than a death penalty because it would allow for anyone graduating in the span of the ban to transfer without penalty, basically turning Penn State into a market open for college teams (most likely including Big Ten teams). Plus, with less scholarships, football will be unable to restock the shelves, so to speak. If they throw in other things like TV bans, those will just be gravy, but the meat of the matter will be the post-season ban and the loss of scholarships.

Also, I expect some sort of department wide punishment as well. Probably a loss of scholarships and maybe an entire post-season ban for all sports for one year.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

I'm guessing it will be a 3+ year post-season ban and a loss of about 8 scholarships per year for 4 years.. That is the only thing that could possibly be worse than a death penalty because it would allow for anyone graduating in the span of the ban to transfer without penalty, basically turning Penn State into a market open for college teams (most likely including Big Ten teams). Plus, with less scholarships, football will be unable to restock the shelves, so to speak. If they throw in other things like TV bans, those will just be gravy, but the meat of the matter will be the post-season ban and the loss of scholarships.

Also, I expect some sort of department wide punishment as well. Probably a loss of scholarships and maybe an entire post-season ban for all sports for one year.

I only disagree with you to the extent of the bans. If this is thought to be worse than the "death penalty," I think this is a statement type of punishment. Mark Emmert received permission to be swift about this and the reports are that it is crippling. 8 scholarships is a lot, but, I think it is in the double-digits per year and a lengthy bowl/tv ban.

 

[JimLeavy59]

I could see a 10 year bowl ban mostly due to the fact that they covered it up for 14 years.

 

[JeremyHight]

I only disagree with you to the extent of the bans. If this is thought to be worse than the "death penalty," I think this is a statement type of punishment. Mark Emmert received permission to be swift about this and the reports are that it is crippling. 8 scholarships is a lot, but, I think it is in the double-digits per year and a lengthy bowl/tv ban.

Maybe, but I don't know how willing the NCAA will hand them out. Alabama lost 21 scholarships over 3 years. USC lost 30 over 3 years. Ohio State lost 24 over three years (15 self imposed, 9 more tacked on by the NCAA). I think 24-27 over 3 years will be the number. I don't see them going much more than 3 years out of precedent and this definitely lies somewhere around the OSU/USC landmark in terms of compliance.

Also, the 3+ year post-season ban would again be the biggest factor. Alabama got 2 years, USC 2 years, Ohio State 1 year. Anything more than 2 years would be extremely painful.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You have to wonder what Bill O'Brien and his staff do in this situation. Not just the coaches, but, equipment guys, administrative employees. These are all people who are, unfortunately, the proverbial collateral damage in this situation. That is, of course, if the football program is suspended. Right now, that is all speculation.

There is no way you can take away football this year, that would be absurd, it's too close to the season and it's not fair to the 100 kids on the team and the employees/staff who did absolutely nothing and have nothing to do with this.

It's disturbing to me, the prevailing thought that seems to exist that "they" (despite the fact that nobody can even pinpoint who exactly "they" at this point, since "they" are either in prison, about to be in prison, or dead) must be punished, and punished as hard as possible, and fuck anybody left in the wake. I'm still not understanding how punishing hundreds, if not thousands of people who did nothing wrong somehow brings justice to anybody. It makes no sense, but it seems as though as a society we are more concerned with punishing ideas, words, etc. People who didn't care about PSU football 9 months ago, and will likely move on to the next tabloid scandal and forget about this soon enough, want "them" to pay (again, who?), regardless of who else gets destroyed in the wake.

Killing the football team will result in killing other sports, which means hundreds of people lose jobs from coaches to trainers to admin to employees like groundskeepers, concessions, janitors, maintenance, etc. Businesses will close, people who work for those businesses will lose their jobs, there will be no jobs to replace those jobs, people will lose their homes, this is far reaching and real, and its shocking to me that people are so casual about it.

Punish the program, take away their profits, fine, whatever. Napalming an entire town and hurting as many people as possible changes nothing, besides satisfying a bloodthirsty mob who isnt even sure who they are really mad at, here. Do you think the JoePa statue gives a fuck if you take away football? How about the buildings, the bricks? The letters 'PSU'? Is wiping out the football program really punishing the people responsible? Or is it just punishing a bunch of people who are just as disgusted with kid rape as you are? Do kids get untouched if Penn St plays football? I mean, what are we accomplishing here? Nothing.

 

[Glenbino]

I feel bad for the kids on the team that were toddlers when this stuff all happened.

Some guys made a decision to go to PSU four years ago because of how it would help them down the road in life. Now being associated with PSU football is going to be a black mark for a bunch of people who had nothing to do with the dealings of Jerry Sandusky et al.

The NCAA should take a bite out of the university IMO and if they do go after the football team maybe delay the penalties for a year and give kids a realistic chance to transfer to a team they will be able to play for immediately while also giving the current seniors one last season worth playing for.

Will that happen, no. It's the NCAA.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I feel bad for the kids on the team that were toddlers when this stuff all happened.

Some guys made a decision to go to PSU four-years ago because of it would help them down the road. Now being associated with PSU football is going to be a black mark for a bunch of people who had nothing to do with it.

The NCAA should take a bite out of the university IMO and if they do go after the football team maybe delay the penalties for a year and give kids a realistic chance to transfer to a team they will be able to play for immediately while also giving the current seniors one last season worth playing for.

Will that happen, no. It's the NCAA.

Absolutely on the bold.

You can't take the season away from these kids. You just can't.

Announce whatever you are going to announce and start it next season. Give the entire team a year to figure out their next step, and let these seniors play their final season.