Reviewing the trash heap that has been the Bears Free Agency Period

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I expected these type of comments on CCS, not VSN.

:niggaplease:

Sam Hurd >>> Chad Johnson & Randy Moss

:niggaplease:

Where the fuck are you getting this asinine bullshit from?

I said Forte hasn't been great in goal line, to which your response was the Bears don't have a good o-line. You have had no mention of Forte. To which I am asking you to clarify. Tell me, why is Forte better than Barber in Goal line? Tell please, why you want Forte over a healthy Barber in short yardage? All things being equal, they both will play behind a shitty o-line, how will Forte fair better in these critical situations of a game?

Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles would both help this team more than Marion Barber as they actually fit into the fucking scheme the team runs on offense.

I'm not entirely disputing Bush/Sproles would be a better fit to be honest, but I highly doubt either Bush or Sproles would be willing to come play second fiddle to Forte. The writing was on the wall, Forte is the feature back in Chicago.

So get Bush and Sproles out your mouth right now. No chance the Bears could have gotten either of them, none.

Which brings me back to Barber...He's the back you got, and for good reason. If Barber shows up healthy, and his knee injury doesn't linger from last season, he could come in and help. Why you can't see this I don't know. He does all the things Forte hasn't proven good at, and he's used to taking a back seat and come in off the bench. He was I think the best option at the time they signed him, considering the team needs for a younger and better short yardage back, and the fact that nobody else was coming to Chicago.

 

[FirstTimer]

I said Forte hasn't been great in goal line, to which your response was the Bears don't have a good o-line.

Ok.

You have had no mention of Forte. To which I am asking you to clarify. Tell me, why is Forte better than Barber in Goal line? Tell please, why you want Forte over a healthy Barber in short yardage? All things being equal, they both will play behind a shitty o-line, how will Forte fair better in these critical situations of a game?

bama:

Jesus Christ you are dense.

The point wasn't that Forte would fair better. The point was the spending money on a slow power back and putting him behind a shitty offensive line serves no real purpose in relation to who the Bears could have had at RB when they already have a guy like Unga that can move the pile(which is what they brought him in to do).

Bush and Sproles carried a lot more value to the Bears just by the mere fact of the scheme the Bears run.

Is Barber a better power back than Forte? Sure.

Is Forte more than capable of getting yardage in short situations if he has a bit better blocking? Yes. Hence, the Barber signing is useless if the Bears would have spent the money more wisely at OL(WHICH WOULD HAVE HELPED OUT ALL FACETS OF THE OFFENSE) and they could have had MORE TALENTED RB's THAN MARION BARBER ADDED TO THE ROSTER.

I swear to God..............

I'm not entirely disputing Bush/Sproles would be a better fit to be honest

:kermit:

So get Bush and Sproles out your mouth right now. No chance the Bears could have gotten either of them, none.

You go from doubt to "no chance"?

Make up your mind.

 

[Saluki]

Hey hey hey, lets not forget we signed Okoye too

:smh:

 

[FirstTimer]

Hey hey hey, lets not forget we signed Okoye too

:smh:

I didn't?

 

[Senser81]

Hey hey hey, lets not forget we signed Okoye too

:smh:

The Bears needed another short-yardage back?

 

[FirstTimer]

The Bears needed another short-yardage back?

I'd rather have him than Barber.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Ok.


bama:

Jesus Christ you are dense.

The point wasn't that Forte would fair better. The point was the spending money on a slow power back and putting him behind a shitty offensive line serves no real purpose in relation to who the Bears could have had at RB when they already have a guy like Unga that can move the pile(which is what they brought him in to do).

Come on man, there is more to short yardage to just "moving the pile". Marcus Allen is one of the best goaline/short yardage backs ever, and he wasn't a "move the pile" kind of runner. It takes more skill than simply being a pile mover in many cases. And are you honestly trying to sell me that Unga is a better short yardage back than Barber? STFU already. and you call me dense. Unga bro?...Unga? Your answer is Unga? LOL

Bush and Sproles carried a lot more value to the Bears just by the mere fact of the scheme the Bears run.

Let me say this again, and I can't be any more clear, I agree with you here. Bush and Sproles would have been better for the team considering they fit the scheme better. This is a non sequitur at best.

Is Barber a better power back than Forte? Sure.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. You're starting to see the light.

Is Forte more than capable of getting yardage in short situations if he has a bit better blocking? Yes.

HOLY FUCK!!! NO SHIT! Everybody is at least better when they get a bit better blocking. Dumb ass post! All things being equal, when they both play behind the same o-line, Barber is a better short yardage back. Period. If the Bears at some point upgrade their o-line, Barber will still be the better short yardage back. you. fucking. moron.

Hence, the Barber signing is useless if the Bears would have spent the money more wisely at OL(WHICH WOULD HAVE HELPED OUT ALL FACETS OF THE OFFENSE)

Replacing Olin for Spencer, not sure that helps, but they got younger. They could still bring in a lineman, who knows. Hopefully Barber can make do, he most certainly couldn't be any worse than Forte and company have been in short yardage. And he's a reliable back in other situations as well. Unlike Unga he can play a role outside of short yardage, and unlike Chester, he is younger and costs less money.

and they could have had MORE TALENTED RB's THAN MARION BARBER ADDED TO THE ROSTER.

For fuck sakes, NO! Bush and/or Sproles WERE NEVER EVER, NOT FOR A DAY, NOT FOR A SECOND, NOT EVEN IN YOUR DREAMS, EVER GOING TO BECOME TO CHICAGO. Get it out of your fucking mind, the Bears had NO SHOT at landing one of them.

You go from doubt to "no chance"?

Make up your mind.

SMH...you're splitting hairs. My doubt lay in the fact that the Bears weren't going to pay Bush's $11 mil price tag and even when they do restructure Bush would still demand more money than Barbers measly 2 year $5 mil contract. Reports are Bush ONLY accepted the trade because Miami offered him the Feature Back Role. In other words he was not going to come to Chicago to backup Forte. Sproles has played the backup before, and I think he wants more playing time, but I think his biggest motivation is playing for a winner, hence the Saints signing. The Bears are going in another direction. Now if the Bears would have thrown more money at these backs maybe you would have had a chance, hence the "doubt". But there was no chance of that happening, hence the "no chance".


Let me put it to you this way. Compared to Barber in short yardage... Unga, not that good. Taylor, not as good. Forte, not proven to say the least. Barber better and proven. The Bears have their feature back, great. To round out that backfield they needed a more qualified short yardage back. Unga and Taylor combined, maybe would have been ok. But bring in one of the leagues best short yardage backs and you instantly have a thunder and lightning combo that might just surprise you next year. Maybe not. Maybe all Barber does is pick up a few touchdowns Forte might not have. Maybe he gets a few first downs Forte might not have. But in this case, that's just helping win games, I have no idea why you would ever want that...:noidea:

If Barber doesn't pan out, oh fucking well. They only got him on a 2 year deal, for cheap no less. I think Chester Taylor is making more money next year in fact. If Barber pans out and you trade away/cut Taylor, good for them. If Barber doesn't fit in, you got Taylor for another 3 years I think.

Quit crying about Barber, you have a shit ton of other horrible of season shit to worry about than this guy.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

The Bears needed another short-yardage back?

You must be trolling. I'm on to you. I'll play along, :horse: you're a funny guy.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I'd rather have him than Barber.

I certainly hope so...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ddO5ENtus[/ame]

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Let me just say I think Roy Williams is going to pleasantly surprise a lot of people, especially with expectations so low.

 

[FirstTimer]

Come on man, there is more to short yardage to just "moving the pile". Marcus Allen is one of the best goaline/short yardage backs ever, and he wasn't a "move the pile" kind of runner. It takes more skill than simply being a pile mover in many cases. And are you honestly trying to sell me that Unga is a better short yardage back than Barber? STFU already. and you call me dense. Unga bro?...Unga? Your answer is Unga? LOL

You're clearly not following the conversation at all.

Forte is a more skilled back than Barber. Could he be a better short yardage back with a better OL? Sure.

Barber proved he was a good short yardage back behind a good/above average OL. The Bears don't have that. Plus Barber is coming in off an injury etc.

, Barber is a better short yardage back

Maybe. I'm convinced you haven't seen a Bears game in years. Barber running behind that offensive line isn't going anywhere because he has nothing but straight line. Forte at least offers the chance at some agility.

Replacing Olin for Spencer, not sure that helps, but they got younger.

It doesn't.

unlike Chester

Barber only has 100 fewer carries in his career than Taylor.

:yawn:

For fuck sakes, NO! Bush and/or Sproles WERE NEVER EVER, NOT FOR A DAY, NOT FOR A SECOND, NOT EVEN IN YOUR DREAMS, EVER GOING TO BECOME TO CHICAGO.

Based on what?

. Sproles has played the backup before, and I think he wants more playing time, but I think his biggest motivation is playing for a winner, hence the Saints signing.

Odd. The Bears made the NFC Championship game. The Saints lost to a 7-9 team in the playoffs.

WINNING!

The Bears are going in another direction. Now if the Bears would have thrown more money at these backs maybe you would have had a chance, hence the "doubt". But there was no chance of that happening, hence the "no chance".

What a stupid faggot.


:rofl:

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Forte is a more skilled back than Barber. Could he be a better short yardage back with a better OL? Sure.

:facepalm:

Barber proved he was a good short yardage back behind a good/above average OL. The Bears don't have that. Plus Barber is coming in off an injury etc.

:facepalm:

Maybe. I'm convinced you haven't seen a Bears game in years. Barber running behind that offensive line isn't going anywhere because he has nothing but straight line. Forte at least offers the chance at some agility.

:facepalm:

Barber only has 100 fewer carries in his career than Taylor.

:yao:

Based on what?

Read moar.

Odd. The Bears made the NFC Championship game. The Saints lost to a 7-9 team in the playoffs.

Different directions. You created a Reviewing the trash heap that has been the Bears Free Agency Period thread, if you had the choice of being a backup to Forte or having a larger role on the Saints, who BTW have won a SB recently, where would you want to go? :facepalm: Damn you're dumb. I mean you're the one who's talking shit about the Bears off season, and you don't know why the better players aren't signing with your team? :smug:

 

[FirstTimer]

Different directions. You created a Reviewing the trash heap that has been the Bears Free Agency Period thread, if you had the choice of being a backup to Forte or having a larger role on the Saints, who BTW have won a SB recently, where would you want to go?

Chicago.

New Orleans is a hell hole.

I mean you're the one who's talking shit about the Bears off season, and you don't know why the better players aren't signing with your team? :smug:

I'm dumb? I'm not the guy running the Bears who wasn't even TARGETING these players.

It's not just that these players chose not to come to Chicago..it's that Chicago never made plays for them to begin with.

Get a fucking clue.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Chicago.

New Orleans is a hell hole.




I'm dumb? I'm not the guy running the Bears who wasn't even TARGETING these players.

You're dumb for running a Reviewing the trash heap that has been the Bears Free Agency Period thread while trying to convince that anybody would want to go to a team that's obviously going in the wrong direction.

It's not just that these players chose not to come to Chicago..it's that Chicago never made plays for them to begin with.

Get a fucking clue.

:niggaplease:

THE FUCKING PRICE TAG....jeezus!

Bush is owed $11 mil in 2011. Even if he restructures he'll most likely still demand over $9 mil.

Sproles' asking price in 2010 was $7.3 mil. The saints were lucky to get him for $14 mil over 4 years.

I don't think the Bears would be smart to sign any RB for that price. They got a steal in Barber for a short contract, only 2 years at $5 mil. That's $2.5 per. They got him cheap for good reason, injured last year, lost his starting job...etc. etc. But when healthy he's a beast.

On top of the money, it was reported...as I said before...it was reported that Bush signed with Miami because they offered him the feature back role. So even if Chicago had the money or was willing to spend it, Bush still wouldn't have come to town. I think Sproles had the same mindset, considering his choice. Sproles would have fit in oddly with Forte and lost a lot of passing downs to Forte, so again even if they would have been willing to spend for him, he wouldn't have came.

To argue any point with Bush/Sproles in any point of reference is again, a non sequitur at best. In other words, it's a non argueent...a non point. It's moot. It's not worth your time to consider. Just stop it.

Of the RB's available, I think the Bears brought in the best they could for the price. Barber is admittedly a slight gamble, I'll admit at least as much. But he's proven in the past to have some skills that Forte lacks. I think this will be a good combination. We'll see. If he does what's expected, GREAT! I just don't think he'll be any worse than Chester Taylor, and he's about $1 mil cheaper if I'm not mistaken. Looks win/win to me.

 

[Senser81]

You're dumb for running a Reviewing the trash heap that has been the Bears Free Agency Period thread while trying to convince that anybody would want to go to a team that's obviously going in the wrong direction.



:niggaplease:

THE FUCKING PRICE TAG....jeezus!

Bush is owed $11 mil in 2011. Even if he restructures he'll most likely still demand over $9 mil.

Sproles' asking price in 2010 was $7.3 mil. The saints were lucky to get him for $14 mil over 4 years.

I don't think the Bears would be smart to sign any RB for that price. They got a steal in Barber for a short contract, only 2 years at $5 mil. That's $2.5 per. They got him cheap for good reason, injured last year, lost his starting job...etc. etc. But when healthy he's a beast.

On top of the money, it was reported...as I said before...it was reported that Bush signed with Miami because they offered him the feature back role. So even if Chicago had the money or was willing to spend it, Bush still wouldn't have come to town. I think Sproles had the same mindset, considering his choice. Sproles would have fit in oddly with Forte and lost a lot of passing downs to Forte, so again even if they would have been willing to spend for him, he wouldn't have came.

To argue any point with Bush/Sproles in any point of reference is again, a non sequitur at best. In other words, it's a non argueent...a non point. It's moot. It's not worth your time to consider. Just stop it.

Of the RB's available, I think the Bears brought in the best they could for the price. Barber is admittedly a slight gamble, I'll admit at least as much. But he's proven in the past to have some skills that Forte lacks. I think this will be a good combination. We'll see. If he does what's expected, GREAT! I just don't think he'll be any worse than Chester Taylor, and he's about $1 mil cheaper if I'm not mistaken. Looks win/win to me.

Barber isn't a gamble at all, because, as you said, he is only making $2.5 mil/yr. And, more importantly, his role on the team will be miniscule. Barber probably won't work out because the Bears O-line is terrible. I don't understand why a team desperate for weapons would pass on Sproles and instead get Barber. They basically pissed away $2.5mil, because Barber isn't any better than Forte. Sproles can do so many different things than Forte. I don't think the Bears saved anything by signing Barber, because Sproles would have given the Bears more production at a cheaper rate. Barber had about 400 all-purpose yards last year, Sproles had 2200+.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Barber isn't a gamble at all, because, as you said, he is only making $2.5 mil/yr. And, more importantly, his role on the team will be miniscule. Barber probably won't work out because the Bears O-line is terrible. I don't understand why a team desperate for weapons would pass on Sproles and instead get Barber. They basically pissed away $2.5mil, because Barber isn't any better than Forte. Sproles can do so many different things than Forte. I don't think the Bears saved anything by signing Barber, because Sproles would have given the Bears more production at a cheaper rate. Barber had about 400 all-purpose yards last year, Sproles had 2200+.

For fuck sakes, what part of Barber had lingering calf/knee injuries last season do you not understand? By the time Barber came back to the lineup he was still hampered by injuries, and Jones/Choice proved worthy enough to take his carries away. (don't mix my words though, Sproles is better)

But Sproles asking price was too high for the Bears obviously. I don't think the Bears wanted to spend much on a RB when they have Forte in pocket. It looks like the Bears strategy is to pick up a lot of average players for less money, than to pick up just two or three above average and overpay.

The gamble I'm talking about is low risk high reward. Low risk because if he's no better than Chester, no big deal...it didn't work out, and you didn't pay out the arse for him. High reward in that if he turns out to be at least as good as he was pre-2010, amazing, you've got lightning in a bottle and thunder in short yardage...great. Not that risky, but still a $2.5 mil gamble.

The only point I want to make for Barber is, and I think you understand it Senser, is Barber is a low cost RB who can possibly find a niche on this offense. He's obviously not the answer to the Bears need for a playmaker, but he's also not going to hinder the Bears quest to find that guy at all. I mean he's cheap. And one day, hopefully when the team finds that playmaker, and God willing they fix that oline, Barber will at that point, more than likely, seem like a genius signing.

 

[1ke]

This has gotten beyond dumb.

 

[Senser81]

For fuck sakes, what part of Barber had lingering calf/knee injuries last season do you not understand? By the time Barber came back to the lineup he was still hampered by injuries, and Jones/Choice proved worthy enough to take his carries away. (don't mix my words though, Sproles is better)

But Sproles asking price was too high for the Bears obviously. I don't think the Bears wanted to spend much on a RB when they have Forte in pocket. It looks like the Bears strategy is to pick up a lot of average players for less money, than to pick up just two or three above average and overpay.

The gamble I'm talking about is low risk high reward. Low risk because if he's no better than Chester, no big deal...it didn't work out, and you didn't pay out the arse for him. High reward in that if he turns out to be at least as good as he was pre-2010, amazing, you've got lightning in a bottle and thunder in short yardage...great. Not that risky, but still a $2.5 mil gamble.

The only point I want to make for Barber is, and I think you understand it Senser, is Barber is a low cost RB who can possibly find a niche on this offense. He's obviously not the answer to the Bears need for a playmaker, but he's also not going to hinder the Bears quest to find that guy at all. I mean he's cheap. And one day, hopefully when the team finds that playmaker, and God willing they fix that oline, Barber will at that point, more than likely, seem like a genius signing.

Barber is a low-reward player, because I don't see how he can be productive playing behind Forte. I don't see how Sproles could NOT be productive for the Bears, because he is a receiving threat, can go deep, can return kicks and punts, etc. If the Bears signed Sproles, he would immediately be one of the best receiving threats on the team. The Bears signing Barber doesn't give them anything they don't already have.

Would you rather pay $2.5 million for 400 yards, or $3.25 million for 2200 yards?

 

[FirstTimer]

THE FUCKING PRICE TAG....jeezus!

Bush is owed $11 mil in 2011. Even if he restructures he'll most likely still demand over $9 mil.

Do not care.

Sproles' asking price in 2010 was $7.3 mil. The saints were lucky to get him for $14 mil over 4 years.

Do not care.

I don't think the Bears would be smart to sign any RB for that price. They got a steal in Barber for a short contract,

IMO it wasn't a steal because Barber is worthless.

Or are you confusing him with Tiki Barber?

For fuck sakes, what part of Barber had lingering calf/knee injuries last season do you not understand?

Perfect!

The Bears paid for an injured RB when they could have made a run at a healthy one who had over 2200 yards last year!

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Im not sure Darren Sproles was ever an option.. but I would've rather signed no RB at all then Barber. I dont see why hes really a big upgrade to Chester Taylor at this point.