Rice says Randy Moss’ laziness was like a ‘slap in the face'

[Senser81]

I had a friend of mine who was throwing around 65 MPH at 10 years old. He was a tall kid for that age group and had long arms which helped his velocity. I was the catcher for him, and while he struggled with control, that type of speed is rare at that age.

Sadly, he never did anything after that year with baseball, nor any other sport. He didn't have anyone to really push him and its a shame because of what he showed that year. He's my age, and is struggling to make a living due to assault charges and drug possession charges that have really crippled his chance at getting a job.

 

[Senser81]

I think hindsight will treat Moss very differently than current thinking.

We shall see. I've always thought of Moss and TO that if these guys were really the greatest WRs of their generation, how come no one wants them on their team? Its kind of odd for a HOF talent to bounce around the league. I don't know if people will consider this in hindsight, or if they are just going to peruse a statistical list and think "Man, these guys caught a ton of TDs".

 

[Saluki]

If being a good person was a prerequisite to getting in the HOF they might be in trouble, but its not. As it stands i'd be surprised if they both weren't 1st ballot.

 

[bucky]

But still, his holier than thou response is a byproduct of the bullshit conformist football culture we live in that says you cannot have any interests outside the game and you must do what your owner wants.

How does being lazy = not being allowed to have other interests? Aaron Rodgers plays guitar and started a music business. Rodger's isn't lazy. Moss is. You may call a player not being allowed to be lazy "bullshit conformist football culture", I don't. I would just call you an idiot.

 

[bucky]

I think if anything it bolsters Moss' HOF credentials, to have been as lazy as JaMarcus Russell, and still be arguably the 2nd best WR of all time. WOWzer. The football geek in me wants to know what would have been if I saw a motivated Moss, but I'm not mad at the guy. He was still lightning in a bottle, and I'm very much happy to have seen it.

I'm mad at the guy. He may have been the best player on the field during a game but was his effort or lack thereof the difference between his team and fans winning a championship? If he would have put in more effort and become an even better WR, would he have some championships? With guys like him, I think he cheated his teammates and fans by being lazy.

 

[bucky]

Randy played when he wanted to play. I hate to do this, but I think it's obvious that had Randy really tried throughout his entire career, he would have shat all over Rice, statistically speaking anyways.

But he DIDN'T.

 

[Wrath]

I agree 100% with Jerry Rice. It's hard for people to understand sometimes but when you are a natural talent like Moss you don't earn it the way a self made person like Jerry has. Jerry is Ultra competitive so when he sees someone like Moss it gets too him. Moss worked hard, but not hard enough. He reminds me of Allen Iverson in basketball. Once that type of guys get older they get exposed that much more. Jerry scored a touchdown verse the Bucs while he was a Raider and he was like 40yrs old. That shows his work ethic speaks for itself.

 

[bucky]

Moss worked hard, but not hard enough. He reminds me of Allen Iverson in basketball

And neither one won a championship. Iverson is another that I think cheated his fans.

 

[NAHSTE]

How does being lazy = not being allowed to have other interests?

Because maybe Moss's interests include being "lazy"? I'm pretty sure nobody gives a fuck about Aaron Rodgers in this discussion. What does he have to do with Moss? Different people are into different shit. Rodgers shittily tries to play music, Moss ran a smoothie chain, Rice ran up and down mountain sides all off season ... Who gives a fuck?

You may call a player not being allowed to be lazy "bullshit conformist football culture", I don't. would just call you an idiot

Oh no, I have a difference of opinion, I must be an idiot! Thanks for proving my point. So who is to say Moss is lazy? Who is his judge? Is Jerry Rice supposed to approve or disapprove the try levels of every player? Are you?

Moss was a great football player, one of the greatest actually, and doesn't really bother me in the slightest how much work he did or didn't do to get there.. It shouldn't bother anyone, really. If you can get to the apex of your profession, you must be doing something right.

 

[killgod]

And neither one won a championship. Iverson is another that I think cheated his fans.

Or his fans are delusional and didn't realize the kind of athlete their players are.

You'd think a fan would follow them close enough to know all there is to know...

So no, he and Moss didn't cheat fans, fans chose to ignore their faults and support them anyways.

 

[bucky]

Because maybe Moss's interests include being "lazy"? And I'm pretty sure nobody gives a fuck about Aaron Rodgers or his music right now.

I don't have a problem with Moss having other interests. I have a problem with him being lazy. You could see it on the field. It's well known that he didn't work on his body. It's also well known that he wasn't a great route runner. That's LAZY.

Oh no, I have a difference of opinion, I must be an idiot! Thanks for proving my point.

Gee, I thought that was a form of endearment on VSD/VSN. And what point am I proving of yours? Nothing I've said says it's OK for Moss to be lazy. You're opinion isn't only different, it's retarded (another form of endearment here on VSD/VSN).

So who is to say Moss is lazy? Who is his judge? Is Jerry Rice supposed to approve or disapprove the try levels of every player? Are you?.

Common knowledge says it. He himself saying he doesn't work on his body. Coaches and trainers saying he doesn't. Seeing him be a poor route runner.

Moss was a great football player, one of the greatest actually, and doesn't really bother me in the slightest how he did or did not work to get there. It shouldn't bother anyone, really.

He is one of the greatest WR's. And his lack of effort should bother Minny fans quite a bit.

And thanks for trolling.

 

[NAHSTE]

Or his fans are delusional and didn't realize the kind of athlete their players are.

You'd think a fan would follow them close enough to know all there is to know...

So no, he and Moss didn't cheat fans, fans chose to ignore their faults and support them anyways.

I love how fans think that the players owe them something. You sit on your ass all day and watch the fucking games. He's the one putting in the 60-80 hour work weeks.

Fans and writers are faggots sometimes with this "legacy" and "play the game the right way" nonsense. Moss worked 1000x harder at being a pro athlete than any of the fat fucks in the press box or bleachers, yet they sit there in their ivory tower and say "gosh, he's not doing enough". Well, what the fuck have you done?

 

[bucky]

Or his fans are delusional and didn't realize the kind of athlete their players are.

You'd think a fan would follow them close enough to know all there is to know...

So no, he and Moss didn't cheat fans, fans chose to ignore their faults and support them anyways.

He still cheated the fans by potentially robbing them of a championship. Yes, they did cheat there fans. As good as they were, they should have been better and could easily have been better. That difference could have been the difference between winning or not winning a championship. The fans potentially did not get a championship because of the athletes lack of effort and commitment. They cheated their fans and teammates.

 

[killgod]

He still cheated the fans by potentially robbing them of a championship. Yes, they did cheat there fans. As good as they were, they should have been better and could easily have been better. That difference could have been the difference between winning or not winning a championship. The fans potentially did not get a championship because of the athletes lack of effort and commitment. They cheated their fans and teammates.

Nope.

Iverson doesn't owe anyone a championship. You pay to watch them play, not win, or else people should be refunded if their team loses a match they see...which obviously isn't the case.

So no, he didn't cheat fans. His teammates? Yes, you could make an argument there as an athlete at any level would want his teammates giving their best as they do themselves...but that has nothing to do with the fans.

 

[bucky]

You sit on your ass all day and watch the fucking games. He's the one putting in the 60-80 hour work weeks.

Fans and writers are faggots sometimes with this "legacy" and "play the game the right way" nonsense. Moss worked 1000x harder at being a pro athlete than any of the fat fucks in the press box or bleachers, yet they sit there in their ivory tower and say "gosh, he's not doing enough". Well, what the fuck have you done?

Moss does work a lot harder at being a pro athlete than I do, cause I don't work at all at being a pro athlete. I work a full week, plus overtime when necessary, for 52 weeks a year minus vacation time at being a software designer, system administrator and network administrator. I would venture that I work 1000x harder at being a software designer and administrator than athletes work at being in software. So what's your point? Yeah, that's right, you really don't have one, your just trolling.

 

[Senser81]

Fans and writers are faggots sometimes with this "legacy" and "play the game the right way" nonsense. Moss worked 1000x harder at being a pro athlete than any of the fat fucks in the press box or bleachers, yet they sit there in their ivory tower and say "gosh, he's not doing enough". Well, what the fuck have you done?

2009 VSN Poster of the Year Award

2006 MM Master Debater Award

MM Hall of Fame Nominee

NEED I GO ON????????

 

[bucky]

Nope.

Iverson doesn't owe anyone a championship. You pay to watch them play, not win, or else people should be refunded if their team loses a match they see...which obviously isn't the case.

So no, he didn't cheat fans. His teammates? Yes, you could make an argument there as an athlete at any level would want his teammates giving their best as they do themselves...but that has nothing to do with the fans.

You pay to watch them play to win. You sure don't pay with the expectations that you WANT to see them lose. Iverson owed his fans to be the best basketball player he could be and to help his team be the best the team could be to give his team the best chance to win. That's what fans pay for. To see their team try and win.

You trolling too, or just that out of touch with reality?

 

[killgod]

You pay to watch them play to win. You sure don't pay with the expectations that you WANT to see them lose. Iverson owed his fans to be the best basketball player he could be and to help his team be the best the team could be to give his team the best chance to win. That's what fans pay for. To see their team try and win.

You trolling too, or just that out of touch with reality?

I'm not trolling, you simply don't understand what you're paying for.

You WANT them to win but that's not what you are paying for.

Yeah bucky, we're both just "trolling" because you can't accept you're flat out fucking wrong on this one. Whatever gramps, if you're going to be a whiny bitch that's going to play the "you're trollin" card cause you are out of ammo then you can debate with somebody else.

 

[Senser81]

You pay to watch them play to win. You sure don't pay with the expectations that you WANT to see them lose. Iverson owed his fans to be the best basketball player he could be and to help his team be the best the team could be to give his team the best chance to win. That's what fans pay for. To see their team try and win.

You trolling too, or just that out of touch with reality?

I would guess if I comprised an NBA basketball team with a bunch of 6 foot white guys who hustled all the time, eventually no one would pay to watch them play, because they would be 0-82 every year.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Players absolutely owe fans honest effort.

Now, the issue of wether Moss tried hard is a different argument. But to say athletes owe the fans nothing in terms of effort is absurd.