Sick in the head (Pain acknowledged and denied, in the NFL, NHL and in general)

[mgoblue2290]

For the last fucking time for you stupid meat heads who can't wrap your fucking heads around the MMA/Boxing shit.

IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT THE DESIGN OR GOAL OF THE SPORT IS ABOUT. IT IS ABOUT HUMAN HEALTH.

FT said Ali is a prime example of what continued blows to the head does to a boxer. THEN WHY ARE WE STILL ALLOWING THIS SHIT. THE ENTIRE SPORT IS BASED AROUND PUNCH EACH OTHER IN THE HEAD.

You guys can't wrap your minds around this shit. You are perfectly fine having an entire sport that is nothing but head shots, yet you want to dwell on hockey. I don't care if that is the sport. That has never once been the point of any of us other than you fucking retards. The point is, you all are in here (and none of you have any interest in hockey) because you think the league should get rid of fighting because it creates bodily harm. YET UFC AND BOXING CREATE 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF BODILY HARM BUT YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE 'THAT IS THE SPORT'.



Apparently you are not that intelligent because you think MMA and boxing is perfectly fine. What is boxing...MULTIPLE BLOWS TO THE HEAD.

Hey little dick, chill out with the caps lock. What I said in my post was that it is hypocritical for the NHL to allow fighting yet say they want to limit concussions. The UFC does not want to limit concussions so it is not hypocritical. Both fighters step into the ring and willingly slug it out because it is their job. Fighting is allowed in hockey yet has nothing to do with the sport. I don't care that both guys square up, its a distraction and is contradictory to limiting concussions. If boxers started grabbing sticks and shooting pucks at each other would that still be cool?

 

[Ravin]

Combat sports =/= to hockey

Blows to the head = blows to the head.

Doesn't matter what sport it is.

 

[FirstTimer]

Blows to the head = blows to the head.

Doesn't matter what sport it is.

See above.

Sit down.

STFU.

Adults are talking.

 

[FirstTimer]

Hey little dick, chill out with the caps lock. What I said in my post was that it is hypocritical for the NHL to allow fighting yet say they want to limit concussions. The UFC does not want to limit concussions so it is not hypocritical. Both fighters step into the ring and willingly slug it out because it is their job. Fighting is allowed in hockey yet has nothing to do with the sport. I don't care that both guys square up, its a distraction and is contradictory to limiting concussions. If boxers started grabbing sticks and shooting pucks at each other would that still be cool?

LOL at comparing hockey fighting to a sport where the goal of the sport is to actually make someone concust. Hockey's "goal" is to put a puck in the net..or prevent it from entering the net.

Hell, even the UFC has outlawed some moves that have a higher result in concussions. Elbow strikes, etc. And this is a sport where the goal is to scramble the other guys brains.

NHL takes their brain trauma "seriously" but allows punching each other in the face outside of actual game action.

:yao:

 

[wr50l]

Here we go again.

I don't even get how fighting in hockey is being defended. At best its a side show that has no effect on the game.

An outsider's view which is blatantly and conclusively refuted by players.

Also comparing fighting in MMA and boxing to hockey is possibly the most irrelevant argument ever. The point of MMA and boxing is to fight and beat the hell out of your opponent. The point of hockey is to put a circular piece of rubber in a net more times than the other team.

The point of hockey is to score more goals. Clearly therefore, and despite evidence to the contrary, all other facets of each game are irrelevant ... You would however surely accept aggressive play as a factor which would effect the outcome, in much the same way as skill would also be a factor. However, if I rephrase fighting as aggression it is still not good enough for you though because you have refuted the first-hand evidence that fighting has an influence on play in favour of a second-hand opinion. Your case then is built entirely on a disproven theory and that makes it bullshit.

 

[Ravin]

So I guess we should take hitting out of hockey as well. Because as we have pointed out, the majority of guys getting concussions get them from being hit from a body check. Hitting doesn't put pucks in the net. There are no hit hockey leagues and they are just fine. Plus if we remove body checking, we get rid of another 75% or so of the concussions.

 

[FirstTimer]

An outsider's view which is blatantly and conclusively refuted by players.

Players are dumb.

But they are smart enough to not do it as much in the playoffs.

Also, players don't fight in the Olympics. Are they complaining then?

So I guess we should take hitting out of hockey as well.

No.

We've covered this a million times already in this thread.

Go back. Re-read and quit being a dense faggot.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Those 2 posts were cute. A legal check is perfectly fine because it is a defensive and strategic move. A fight is not.

 

[FirstTimer]

Those 2 posts were cute. A legal check is perfectly fine because it is a defensive and strategic move. A fight is not.

LOL at comapring a legal clean check that occurs as a natural result of the play with fighting........which doesn't result during the play. In fact the game completely stops as a result of it going on.



:yao:

 

[killgod]

Jesus you hockey folks are dense as shit.

Head trauma isn't good for you.
NHL recognizes this, and takes measures with gameplay to minimize head trauma
NHL also still allows fighting, which puts players at FURTHER risk of head trauma than is already in the game.
Fighting should be eliminated to decrease the risk of head trauma.


Comparing it to combat sports is retarded. Unless you're advocating adding the violence of hockey into the already violent sport of fighting than you're fucking stupid. BRB, having MMA fighters blindside each other into plexiglass before every match.

Fucking idiots.

We need to ban fighting so the next time Sidney Crosby and Steven Stamkos duke it out, they won't concuss themselves.

Cause ya know, in the NHL, everyone fights.

Or so, that's what the guys who don't watch hockey seem to believe.

Remove fighting, SAVE EVERYONE.

 

[FirstTimer]

Oh look.

kg is here

 

[FirstTimer]

Or so, that's what the guys who don't watch hockey seem to believe.

:jonesy:

 

[mgoblue2290]

We need to ban fighting so the next time Sidney Crosby and Steven Stamkos duke it out, they won't concuss themselves.

Cause ya know, in the NHL, everyone fights.

Or so, that's what the guys who don't watch hockey seem to believe.

Remove fighting, SAVE EVERYONE.

No one is saying that. What we're saying is, if the NHL wants to limit concussions, one step is to eliminate fighting.

 

[Ravin]

Those 2 posts were cute. A legal check is perfectly fine because it is a defensive and strategic move. A fight is not.

And again, you and FT don't understand the sport of hockey, so back in a circle we go. Funny how all the guys who live in the hockey forum, whose first sport is hockey, and talk about it all the time are perfectly happen with the way things are, and so are the NHL players for that matter.


Then people who know little about the sport want it changed...just like the media.

This is nothing new at all.


Leaf made point of it. Staged fighting is stupid. I hate starting a game and two guys want to go at it. But fighting does have its reasons.


You realize if you you didn't have fighting, Gretzky probably would have got the shit beat out of him right? It is because of those enforcers that he was able to do what he did. Same goes with Yzermen on the red wings with Bob Probert. If you touch the stars you answer the the enforcer. Hockey is the only sport with contact such as hitting, and if players can run over whomever they want, you will see injuries go up even more.

But you guys don't care. You want it gone, and then when all the superstars are injured, you won't care still because hockey isn't your thing.

 

[mgoblue2290]

And again, you and FT don't understand the sport of hockey, so back in a circle we go. Funny how all the guys who live in the hockey forum, whose first sport is hockey, and talk about it all the time are perfectly happen with the way things are, and so are the NHL players for that matter.


Then people who know little about the sport want it changed...just like the media.

This is nothing new at all.


Leaf made point of it. Staged fighting is stupid. I hate starting a game and two guys want to go at it. But fighting does have its reasons.


You realize if you you didn't have fighting, Gretzky probably would have got the shit beat out of him right? It is because of those enforcers that he was able to do what he did. Same goes with Yzermen on the red wings with Bob Probert. If you touch the stars you answer the the enforcer. Hockey is the only sport with contact such as hitting, and if players can run over whomever they want, you will see injuries go up even more.

But you guys don't care. You want it gone, and then when all the superstars are injured, you won't care still because hockey isn't your thing.

bama:

So would you advocate fighting in the NFL the next time somebody comes in a little late on Aaron Rodgers? Should it be cool for one of his offensive lineman to his helmet off and fight the guy that hit Rodgers? No it wouldn't be. Hitting is part of the game and last I checked guys like Yzerman still got hit and they dealt with it.

 

[FirstTimer]

KG feels that 10% of concussions come from fights.

Can we agree that concussions/brain trauma are bad?

We also know hockey can function perfectly fine as a sport with no fighting(see the Olympics)

If so, then we should be able to agree that eliminating fighting, something that isn't needed in the sport, should be banned.

It should be a pretty fucking simple concept.

Of course concussions/brain trauma will still occur as a result of normal on the ice action that is needed to score and defend. That is not the same as the brain trauma that occurs from fighting that happens outside the action of the game and serves no purpose.

 

[FirstTimer]

. Hockey is the only sport with contact such as hitting, .

:jonesy:


:whut:

 

[Ravin]

No one is saying that. What we're saying is, if the NHL wants to limit concussions, one step is to eliminate fighting.

And what we have said 1000 times is, fighting is not the big issue here. It is only the big issue because stupid people and media want to make it the issue.

Player equipment
Player respect
Rules of the game (icing, two line pass)
Arena design (glass and boards)

Will do more for concussions then stopping fighting will.

 

[FirstTimer]

Hey guys, remember that HUGE retalitory shot that Big Ben took from Cleveland after Harrison knocked out McCoy? Thank God for that because it's not like the league can police it so the players have to...

Wait..

Wut...



:whut:?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[mgoblue2290]

And what we have said 1000 times is, fighting is not the big issue here. It is only the big issue because stupid people and media want to make it the issue.

Player equipment
Player respect
Rules of the game (icing, two line pass)
Arena design (glass and boards)

Will do more for concussions then stopping fighting will.

And yet stopping fighting will also help to limit concussions in addition to the things you've listed.