Sick in the head (Pain acknowledged and denied, in the NFL, NHL and in general)

[killgod]

Other sports don't wear thick gloves on both hands to begin with to protect dainty hands :lesmug:

Other sports don't carry weapons in their hands during physical competition.

 

[FirstTimer]

The only real danger on a football sidelines is a coach who can't get out of the way,

Incorrect.

I think it's a much different level of danger and requires much greater attention for those on the bench. You can't turn away from the live action, you learn that as a kid.

As you do in other sports.

Quality rebuttal.

:smug:

Perhaps hockey isn't wrong but it just isn't for you?

But perhaps it is wrong...

Hmm.

The one hockey fan said so, therefore it's gospel?

Anectdotal evidence doesn't count now?

Hockey players disagree. What's your point?

So hockey players are gospel?

Your opinion > all?

Yes.

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Because injuries, especially those in the thread topic, generally are responsible for a very low percentage of head injury.

No one ever said any different.

There are other ways to play football, perhaps the NFL should ditch pads for flags.

Wasn't there discussion about them ditching helmets again? Less likely to use the head if it ain't protected.

 

[Ravin]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWwGmoSvcLg&feature=related"]gino odjick interview - YouTube[/ame]

Life time enforcer of Vancouver. *skip to 50 seconds.

 

[FirstTimer]

Still waiting for a quote from an offensive player that says H2H hits are cool.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/giant_head_games_qgbgqmhgAsSrW3GByYohXL

Brandon Jacobs.

:lesmug:

 

[FirstTimer]

To be fair though Brandon Jacobs is pretty fucking stupid.

 

[killgod]

Incorrect.

Try elaborating with supporting evidence, they do teach that in American schools?

You linked video to a fat coach getting run into. How about some players getting hurt? Lets see how often this is a danger. Prove it.

As you do in other sports.

Again, explain why or stfu.

Anectdotal evidence doesn't count now?

Someone on vsn who likes hockey qualifies as evidence?

So hockey players are gospel?

They are subject matter experts.

Yes.

?

You said you weren't trolling, I almost believed it. I have a button for situations like this and I know you don't like it

Neither do RS or ZB :lol:

No one ever said any different.

But it's being said that other reasons for fighting, i.e. providing a spark, are invalid while continuing to blow up the injury issue into a bigger deal than it is.

Wasn't there discussion about them ditching helmets again? Less likely to use the head if it ain't protected.

Perhaps, I'm not sure but am doubtful with how the game is played today.

 

[FirstTimer]

It's going to be great when he's suing the league in 5 years..

How many lawsuits have been filed by ex-hockey players against the NHL again?

Sports are hypocritical to make money. All of them. If you can't accept that fact I don't know what to tell you.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/15/suing-the-nhl-for-concussions-would-be-a-challenge/

Interesting articles.

Not sure how hcokeys CBA is set up though or if former player still are or aren't part of the union.

I know former NFL players aren't so they are basically used as bargaining chips come CBA time.

 

[wr50l]

Except a hockey fan already said speeches work. And players can yell at eachother on the bench.

Yeah I said that. I said coaches giving rants during intermissions like we saw on 24/7 last night can spark their team. They could even do it during a timeout, but you get one timeout (sometimes we see that) and it can be used for a wide range of reasons which are more important than "instead of fighting".

Getting everyone to pay heed to words in the middle of a game is a hard sell.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Lol @ killgod trying to redirect me to redtube and failing. Hey budd, it's ok to be retarded. Don't cry faggot.

Learn to vsn you cuntface.

 

[killgod]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/15/suing-the-nhl-for-concussions-would-be-a-challenge/

Interesting articles.

Not sure how hcokeys CBA is set up though or if former player still are or aren't part of the union.

I know former NFL players aren't so they are basically used as bargaining chips come CBA time.

That's simply discussing if it's possible. Is there anything to suggest former players desire to do it?

 

[Ravin]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBmGDZZdwiM"]Domi vs Probert - YouTube[/ame]

 

I only keep posting these because Fappin gives me free rep for classic fights. :yao:

 

[killgod]

Lol @ killgod trying to redirect me to redtube and failing. Hey budd, it's ok to be retarded. Don't cry faggot.

Learn to vsn you cuntface.

Take it to the locker room.

:wave:

 

[FirstTimer]

Again, explain why or stfu.

You really need to have it explained to you why standing or sitting a few feet from a basektball or football game is kind of risky?

Come on.

Think for two seconds.

Is it as risky as baseball or hockey? No. No one ever said as such. But I know I've seen guys get rampled by gunners who have been forced out of bounds on several occasions. Don't believe they were ever seriously hurt(enough to report)..but that doesn't mean it's "safe" to zone out during a football game.

Someone on vsn who likes hockey qualifies as evidence?

Expert testimony

You said you weren't trolling, I almost believed it. I have a button for situations like this and I know you don't like it

I wasn't sure if this was a serious question. obviousyl I think my opinion matetrs above others. If I didn't why would I still be here?

But it's being said that other reasons for fighting, i.e. providing a spark, are invalid while continuing to blow up the injury issue into a bigger deal than it is.

I don't think we are.

No one said fighting in hockey was a huge injury issue.

Ever. We said it was the simple fact you have a league getting pub for trying to make the game safer yet still allowing something outside the action of the play where two people hit eachother in head.

 

[killgod]

Domi vs Probert - YouTube

 

I only keep posting these because Fappin gives me free rep for classic fights. :yao:

Totally unnecessary, nobody enjoys that. No spark was made, the crowd remains unaffected.

 

[FirstTimer]

That's simply discussing if it's possible. Is there anything to suggest former players desire to do it?

The intent was implied perhaps. But I wasn't posting it as proof of former players wanting to do it. Frankly I don't care. I was just posting it as I thought it was interesting.

Chill.

And do you know if the former players stay in the union? If so they may no tneed to sue if they can getbetter benefit sthrough current CBA negotiations,.

The current players use the former players like $2 whores in the NFL.

 

[Ravin]

NHL doesn't have the issue the NFL has with former players. Sure players are beat up after they are done playing, but most go on to normal lives, with some pain. Obviously you get the small % that has issue, but I'd say the average NHLer walks out of the league and may need to take an advil once a day.

 

[killgod]

You really need to have it explained to you why standing or sitting a few feet from a basektball or football game is kind of risky?

Come on.

Think for two seconds.

Is it as risky as baseball or hockey? No. No one ever said as such. But I know I've seen guys get rampled by gunners who have been forced out of bounds on several occasions. Don't believe they were ever seriously hurt(enough to report)..but that doesn't mean it's "safe" to zone out during a football game.

I really didn't mean to imply those sports carry no risk, simply they are much less dangerous than what's happening in live hockey.

Pucks are quite regularly shot along the boards and easily can take out a players face. This is a high risk of danger if you aren't constantly watching.

What's an NBA player going to fear? Someone running into him? That's easier to react to if you're casually paying attention as opposed to a small disc of rubber coming in at 100mph.

Hockey players are stationary, seated on a bench without the ability to move very well because they are on skates. Football players are standing and can move/jump/whatever to avoid the rare instance of a gunner coming into their sideline.

It's not the same level of risk at all.

Furthermore with the NFL, we're talking 7 second plays about every 2 minutes. Hockey is nearly constant action.

Expert testimony

How is a hockey fan an expert on the difference in motivation with physical combat and words? I think you either need those who are subjected to this or perhaps a human psyc doc to really have an expert opinion.

I wasn't sure if this was a serious question. obviousyl I think my opinion matetrs above others. If I didn't why would I still be here?

I don't really know. I don't have a complex where I think I'm better than everyone? That's your own issue I guess, explains alot of why your posting is pretty bad. Being able to understand another viewpoint is impossible if you don't give it equal respect, which you don't....so why discuss topics with "inferiors"?

I don't think we are.

No one said fighting in hockey was a huge injury issue.

Ever. We said it was the simple fact you have a league getting pub for trying to make the game safer yet still allowing something outside the action of the play where two people hit eachother in head.

Their job is to each other in their head and they agree to the risks. Who are we to tell them no?

 

[FirstTimer]

NHL doesn't have the issue the NFL has with former players. Sure players are beat up after they are done playing, but most go on to normal lives, with some pain. Obviously you get the small % that has issue, but I'd say the average NHLer walks out of the league and may need to take an advil once a day.

Makes sense in some respect. Fewer player who weren't seeing the volume of hits football players were with shitty equipment.

 

[killgod]

The intent was implied perhaps. But I wasn't posting it as proof of former players wanting to do it. Frankly I don't care. I was just posting it as I thought it was interesting.

Chill.

And do you know if the former players stay in the union? If so they may no tneed to sue if they can getbetter benefit sthrough current CBA negotiations,.

The current players use the former players like $2 whores in the NFL.

I don't know if they are or how it works for former players.

I'd imagine it can't be the same as the NFL if no former players have gone public about it.

 

[FirstTimer]

I really didn't mean to imply those sports carry no risk

You kind of said it though brah.

Which was my issue.

simply they are much less dangerous than what's happening in live hockey.

Agreed for the most part.

What's an NBA player going to fear? Someone running into him? That's easier to react to if you're casually paying attention as opposed to a small disc of rubber coming in at 100mph.

Agreed.

:kanye:

Hockey players are stationary, seated on a bench without the ability to move very well because they are on skates. Football players are standing and can move/jump/whatever to avoid the rare instance of a gunner coming into their sideline.

Ok

:kanye:

It's not the same level of risk at all.

I never said it was.

:kanye:


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How is a hockey fan an expert on the difference in motivation with physical combat and words?

He may have played?

Ask him.

That's your own issue I guess, explains alot of why your posting is pretty bad.

:jonesy:

Being able to understand another viewpoint is impossible if you don't give it equal respect, which you don't....so why discuss topics with "inferiors"?

:kanye:

I respect most people here's ability to think. That doesn't mean I need to respect the opinion of I thinkit's FUBAR.

Their job is to each other in their head and they agree to the risks. Who are we to tell them no?

Rational people?

Same could be said for the NFL etc. Obviously all sports are dangerous and risky to certain points, I thinkk the point is to take unneeded risks out of the game. IMO making the NFL into a flag football league is a MUCH more fundamental change than getting rid of fighting in hockey.One would effect each and every play and every second of every game. Fighting in hockey..not so much.