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So, what happened? (NFC West edition)

I don't think Martz would have made any difference.

How can you say that?

The 2007 49ers had one of the worst offenses of all time.

2008, with nearly identical personal (they added Ike Bruce and JT O'Sullivan), Martz improved them across the board and had them scoring points.

2009, basically the same personal again, Martz fired, offense regresses badly.

Singletary wanted to play 1971 smash mouth in a 2009 passing league, with a play caller (Jimmy Raye) who hasnt been relevent in years, and now his team cant score.

I can promise you this, second year in Martz' system, these guys would have scored more points than they have under Raye. Singletary is out of touch.
 
How can you say that?

The 2007 49ers had one of the worst offenses of all time.

2008, with nearly identical personal (they added Ike Bruce and JT O'Sullivan), Martz improved them across the board and had them scoring points.

2009, basically the same personal again, Martz fired, offense regresses badly.
Their offense improved from averaging 13.7ppg in 2007 to 21ppg in 2008. They're still averaging 21ppg this year and I don't think simply keeping Martz would have had them averaging more than that.

Singletary wanted to play 1971 smash mouth in a 2009 passing league, with a play caller (Jimmy Raye) who hasnt been relevent in years, and now his team cant score.
Again, they're averaging virtually the same amount of points per game this year as last year.

I can promise you this, second year in Martz' system, these guys would have scored more points than they have under Raye. Singletary is out of touch.
Possibly and likely as there is no way that I'm going to argue Jimmy Ray with Mike Martz but the 49ers went 5-11 in 08 and the organization believed that the offense needed to be more conservative in order to control the clock, limit turnovers, and win games with defense and special teams.

The main problem that the 49ers had with Martz's scheme was ball control. They lead the league in turnovers under Martz and just didn't believe that his system fit their personnel, which is hard to argue with considering how much they turned the ball over that year.

Singletary never really had a problem with Martz, he had a problem with the scheme because it didn't fit their personnel. The 49ers have really opened up the offense over the last 4 weeks or so and are becoming more of a pass-first team and Singletary has no problem wit it whatsoever. He's doing a nice job of being flexible with the offense and trying to figure out what scheme best fits his players.

This season is pretty much a learning experience for the 49ers and nothing more. They need to keep the system in place and not screw with it anymore. If they were to fire Jimmy Raye after this season they'd be on their 8th OC in 4 years and that's just ridiculous.
 
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Isn't it funny at the beginning of every season, people find the next big thing in the NFC West, and completely ignore the fact that Arizona has the best player in the division, Kurt Warner? Mike Singletary drops his pants during an interview, like some black fucking buffoon, and all of you drop to your knees and start sucking his dick, spewing shit about the 49ers being the best team in that division. Well, what happened? Fact is, he's nothing but a half assed motivator.. He should be more concerned learning how to coach, than trying to change people to be the way he thinks they should be.

Why do you think he tried bringing in Warner? Because he knew, the only way to win that division, is to take Arizona's best player. He certainly wasn't going to win that division by coaching. Fail.

A few of you were even buying into Hass' Seattle hype. Why? Because they brought in some overrated WR, that couldn't help win jack shit in Cincinnati? Look at Cincinnati now. Fail.

Arizona is currently ranked 22nd in total yards given up per game. That's worse than both SF and Seattle.

Arizona has the 31st ranked rushing attack in the NFL.. Worse than SF and Seattle.

I thought a quarterback needed a good defense and running game, to succeed? Fail.

So, why is Arizona about to be 7-3, and clearly the best team in that division? Answer: Kurt Warner. Why will Arizona make another run to the superbowl, while being the underdog in every single game, yet again? Answer: Kurt Warner. And just for the record, Arizona will win that division again next year.

Sure, the division does blow, but this is directed to those of you who believed in the hype. Seattle and SF didn't do shit during the offseason, to be favored over the NFC Champs, who also happen to have a future hall of famer under center. Being a black guy, who drops his pants like a jackass, and some overrated WR, who runs slower than my grandmother, just simply isn't going to cut it, when you have a guy like Kurt Warner in your division.

The West belongs to Kurt Warner.... and it will until he retires.

No Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin are just the best Wide Receivers in the league.
 
No Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin are just the best Wide Receivers in the league.

Lmao.

Yeah. They certainly showed it during the 2nd half of the Rams game, when Warner went out due to an injury. Did they even cross midfield?

Larry Fitzgerald/Boldin are as good as Warner makes them, period.

What awesome weapons!

Just ask Matt Leinart.
 
No Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin are just the best Wide Receivers in the league.

Best WR duo? Or best on there own?

If it's the second one Andre Johnson and Randy Moss say Hi .

I would also say Moss and Welker are better as a duo personally

EDIT : Fuck person above me said it first
 
Lmao.

Yeah. They certainly showed it during the 2nd half of the Rams game, when Warner went out due to an injury. Did they even cross midfield?

Larry Fitzgerald/Boldin are as good as Warner makes them, period.

What awesome weapons!

Just ask Matt Leinart.

I dont think people really understand that WRs are only as good as there QB. Moss is a hall of famer, but nobody remembers when he went to oakland and had a horrible QB and put up pretty shitty numbers compared to what he did in MN and NE. Brady made deion branch look good and he got paid pretty well when he went to Seattle and what has he done since then? jack shit.
 
I dont think people really understand that WRs are only as good as there QB. Moss is a hall of famer, but nobody remembers when he went to oakland and had a horrible QB and put up pretty shitty numbers compared to what he did in MN and NE. Brady made deion branch look good and he got paid pretty well when he went to Seattle and what has he done since then? jack shit.

They recognize it, trust me.

Just not when it comes to Kurt Warner. Once Warner retires, or goes down with a more serious injury, people will be posting about why Larry Fitzgerald's numbers have dropped. Hell, even at this point, Fitz is barely putting up better numbers than Mike Sims-Walker, who has far fewer receptions. It's because Kurt Warner doesn't depend on Fitzgerald the way people think he does. If Fitzgerald went down with an injury, like Boldin did last year, Steve Breaston would come in, and Kurt Warner wouldn't miss a beat. But if Warner goes down (yesterday for example) the ''best WRs in football'' looked like complete jackasses. Sure, we can blame Leinart, but if Fizt is so damn good, he should have been able to carry Leinart, right?

Lol @ Fitzgerald getting shut down by whoever the fuck St. Louis' corners are, in the 2nd half.. Yeah, he's the best around.
 
Lol @ Fitzgerald getting shut down by whoever the fuck St. Louis' corners are, in the 2nd half.. Yeah, he's the best around.
LOL @ you.

Leinart dumping off to RBs for 90% of the second half and sailing balls to receivers =/= Fitz getting shut out because of the defense.

Now you're reaching to prove a point.
 
LOL @ you.

Leinart dumping off to RBs for 90% of the second half and sailing balls to receivers =/= Fitz getting shut out because of the defense.

Now you're reaching to prove a point.

If I wanted to prove a point, I'd post Sidney Rice's numbers, or Wes Welker's numbers, or I'd dig deeper into this whole Mike Sims-Walker deal. But why bother? Larry Fitzgerald is the most overrated WR in the NFL, simply because he had a fantastic postseason, with one of the best postseason quarterbacks in NFL history.. Fact of the matter is, Larry Fitzgerald is not the best WR in football, he's not even top 3. I'll take Reggie Wayne right now, without thinking twice.

If you people insist that Fitzgerald carries Kurt Warner, why can't he carry Matt Leinart? Kurt Warner is just there for the ride, right? It baffles me how Warner ever won that starting job, since Larry Fitzgerald can carry just about any quarterback.
 
If I wanted to prove a point, I'd post Sidney Rice's numbers, or Wes Welker's numbers, or I'd dig deeper into this whole Mike Sims-Walker deal. But why bother? Larry Fitzgerald is the most overrated WR in the NFL, simply because he had a fantastic postseason, with one of the best postseason quarterbacks in NFL history.. Fact of the matter is, Larry Fitzgerald is not the best WR in football, he's not even top 3. I'll take Reggie Wayne right now, without thinking twice.
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Lol @ No thanking me, simply because Larry Fitzgerald is overrated and can't beat out the St. Louis Rams secondary, without his hall of famer throwing him the ball.

1. Andre Johnson.
2. Randy Moss.
3. Reggie Wayne.

And I'd even consider taking Steve Smith, who continues to do his fucking job, even with an incompetent quarterback throwing him the ball. That's more than what I can say for Spider Man.
 
Larry Fitzgerald - 71 receptions, 792 yards, 9 TDs.
Mike Sims-Walker - 47 receptions, 694 yards, 6 TDs.

Just sayin'.

So you're saying Larry Fitzgerald has more receptions, yards and TD's than a hot rookie who gets the lions share of balls thrown to him on his team? Excellent point.

Lol @ No thanking me, simply because Larry Fitzgerald is overrated and can't beat out the St. Louis Rams secondary, without his hall of famer throwing him the ball.

1. Andre Johnson.
2. Randy Moss.
3. Reggie Wayne.

And I'd even consider taking Steve Smith, who continues to do his fucking job, even with an incompetent quarterback throwing him the ball. That's more than what I can say for Spider Man.

Does listing Fitz as the 4th or 5th or even 6th WR in the NFL really diminish his talents? I don't think so. Hell there could be 20 WR's you list above Fitz, it still doesn't escape the fact that Fitz is 6'3" 218 lbs of pure badassness. Your point is a non-sequitur at best.
 
So you're saying Larry Fitzgerald has more receptions, yards and TD's than a hot rookie who gets the lions share of balls thrown to him on his team? Excellent point.

Uh.. first of all.. Sims-Walker is not a rookie, second of all.. his point was that Sims-Walker is producing good numbers with a shitty QB, and basically insinuating that if you placed him with an elite QB like Warner.. he'd do just as well as Fitzgerald or Boldin

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Does listing Fitz as the 4th or 5th or even 6th WR in the NFL really diminish his talents? I don't think so. Hell there could be 20 WR's you list above Fitz, it still doesn't escape the fact that Fitz is 6'3" 218 lbs of pure badassness. Your point is a non-sequitur at best.

His point is that he thinks he's overrated, that Fitzgerald really didn't hit this level of dominance until Warner came into the picture.

Not saying I agree with any of it.. but it's clear his post went wayyyy over your head like a Jamarcus Russell pass.
 
So you're saying Larry Fitzgerald has more receptions, yards and TD's than a hot rookie who gets the lions share of balls thrown to him on his team? Excellent point.



Does listing Fitz as the 4th or 5th or even 6th WR in the NFL really diminish his talents? I don't think so. Hell there could be 20 WR's you list above Fitz, it still doesn't escape the fact that Fitz is 6'3" 218 lbs of pure badassness. Your point is a non-sequitur at best.

I'm saying that if you stick Mark Walker in Arizona, and give him the same number of receptions, with Boldin/Breaston around him, he'd have more yards and the same number of TDs than Fitzgerald. I'm not impressed, Larry.

Hell, give Mark Walker the same number of receptions in Jacksonville, and he'd have more yards and the same number of TDs than Larry Fitzgerald. I'm not impressed, Larry.

Saying Larry Fitzgerald is the 4th or 5th best WR in the NFL, is a hell of a lot more accurate than saying he's the clear cut best, which he is not.

Larry Fitzgerald is a good WR, he is one of the better WRs in the NFL. He's just overrated as hell. Kurt Warner doesn't need Larry Fitzgerald, just like Kurt Warner didn't need Boldin last year, when he went out. Remember how you guys were laughing about how Warner is fucked without glass jaw Boldin? Guess what, Ladies? Insert Steve Breaston, 1,000 yards, Warner didn't miss a beat.

It's a one man show in Arizona... and if that one man throws 3 interceptions, or gets hurt, no one of that sorry sack of shit franchise is good enough to step up, and bail them out. Period.

I don't see what the big deal is - Larry Fitzgerald is enjoying the ride, so why can't the rest of you?

Enjoy watching a true master of his position (Kurt Warner) while you still can.
 
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There is so much bullshit to sift threw I'm just going to start a new without quoting the bullshit.

First off, don't lump me in with anybody, I can't remember ever saying Fitz is the best WR in the NFL, I just acknowledge he's in the top tier or WR's.

Fitz had 780 yds 13.4 avg, and 8 TD's as a rookie before Warner came to town, pretty good.
Boldin wasn't that bad either, 1377 13.6 avg 8 TD's as a rookie. Missed 5 games the next year but still managed 623 yds.
In 05 Warner missed 6 games.
In those 6 games Fitz had 102, 136, 71, 36, 93, and 80 yds with 5 TDs out of 10.
Boldin had 116, 162, out, 69, 81 and 81 with 4 TDs out of his 7 that season.

McCown was the QB during this time period and had 1675 yds 9 tds and 8 picks in these six starts. McCown...fucking Josh McCown. He was thrown out of Oakland for crying out loud!

In 06 Leinart started 9 games.
Fitz missed some time this year (3 Lienart games) but still managed 499 yds out of the 6 full games he played with Leinart, and that's more than half of the 946 yds he totaled that season. Better than his time spent with Warner.
Boldin had 734 yds out of 1203 and 3 of his 4 TDs with Leinart. Better than his time spent with Warner.

In the first two games of 07
Leinart sucked game 1 (what's new?) and threw for a 41.1 rating.
Fitz had 20 yds, and 87 yds the next week. Not too shabby with the shitty QB.
Boldin had 22 yds and 83, mirroring Fitz pretty much.

Boldins best years ('03/1377/8, '05/1402/7, '06/1203/4) were before Warner took over as a full time starter.
Fitz only had is rookie season before Warner, but he was pretty damn good as I pointed out before, and without Warner has maintained a high level of production.

Now you're here spouting off like it's gospel the one half of football, with a shitty QB, when the Cards have a lead and wouldn't mind playing more controlled football with a shitty QB like Leinart, as your proof that Warner is the only good thing on that offense. BULLSHIT!

But back to this season.
Larry Fitzgerald - 71 receptions, 792 yards, 9 TDs.
Mike Sims-Walker - 47 receptions, 694 yards, 6 TDs.

Just sayin'.

Who the fuck as S-W played this year? I mean who's been covering this guy? Nobody that's who.
The Jets are the only good pass D S-W has faced, and they held him to 49 yards.
He's burned AZ for 106, Hou for 81, Ten for 91, StL for 120, in the Tenn rematch Garrard got hit more times than a shitty prize fighter and S-W had 2 catches. S-W then burned KC for 147 yds, Jets held him to 49, and Buff he burned for 91 yds. He's been running free all year long with nobody to cover him, no wonder he's blown up this year.

And Garrard is better than Leinart that's for damn sure. He's more accurate, has a stronger arm, he's tough to bring down, and he picks his targets pretty well. He's no Warner that's for sure, but he's better than Leinart anyday, and he's still a good QB and can hit his marks. Besides it's really hard for a QB to come in off the bench at halftime and be as effective as the Warner, especially shitty ass Leinart.

And Fitz has faced much better opposition than S-W. NYG he had 83 yds, Chitown he had 123, and a list of other teams that are week after week better overall at covering WR's than the crap that S-W has faced.

Nuk, you know as well as I do that Fitz runs that short crossing route more often than anybody else in the league, it stands to reason why his Y/R are so much less than S-W who runs as free as road runner all day long.

Fitz >> S-W
Don't be stupid.
 
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Shayne,

Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show, man.

It's okay that Larry Fitzgerald isn't the best WR in football. We don't respect him any less.
 
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