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Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum (6/18 on Showtime)

Also, something I mentioned in the chatbox last night, is I think Masvidal exposed Diaz last night.

I know, I know, MMA math...but...Diaz struggled with Noons twice, and Masvidal, an up and down fighter with tons of bad losses, schooled Noons with ease. Masvidal is hardly a top level guy.

Diaz hasnt faced a good, top level wrestler in forever. And maybe we are overrating his boxing, since Masvidal marched right in and dominated Noons in a way Diaz never could.

I don't know, just something to look at.
 
The ref should have warned and could have deducted a point for werdum not getting up, he kept taking more and more time, than faked an injury to get up slower
 
The ref should have warned and could have deducted a point for werdum not getting up, he kept taking more and more time, than faked an injury to get up slower

He didn't fake anything, one of those kicks to the knee/leg fucked it up. He could barely walk at that point and still, Overeem didn't take advantage.
 
Also, something I mentioned in the chatbox last night, is I think Masvidal exposed Diaz last night.

I know, I know, MMA math...but...Diaz struggled with Noons twice, and Masvidal, an up and down fighter with tons of bad losses, schooled Noons with ease. Masvidal is hardly a top level guy.

Diaz hasnt faced a good, top level wrestler in forever. And maybe we are overrating his boxing, since Masvidal marched right in and dominated Noons in a way Diaz never could.

I don't know, just something to look at.

Style clash, diaz is a pressure fighter, and comes forward, noons stays in they pocket, masvidal is a counter fight, caught noons chasing and was able to escape when noons had him on the cage, noons didn't figure him out
 
Diaz's striking didn't look so hot against Daley and Cyborg. Especially Cyborg, who was tearing him apart. Who knows what would have happened if the fight didn't hit the ground. Pretty much any fighter with a good chin and technical striking is going to present a good match for Diaz. Whereas most guys at the top, take GSP for example, you're hard pressed to find a guy who matches up well against him.

I think it's more so his lack of defense though, which is probably his confidence and part of his style. Eventually, taking the shots that he takes and being able to fight through them is going to come to an end. If he wants to stay at an elite level, he's going to have to fight smarter.

All things considered, it's still hard to rank Diaz in the top 5 when you look at the wrestlers in that division. I'd have a hard time picking him over Fitch, Koscheck, GSP, and maybe even Shields. You can argue that hes been as successful as some of those fighters, but I don't he'd be able to beat any of them. Other tough matchups for him would be Thiago and Rick Story among others.

So as is he's a bit over-rated, although he could be a lot better if he ditched the brawler mentality.
 
He didn't fake anything, one of those kicks to the knee/leg fucked it up. He could barely walk at that point and still, Overeem didn't take advantage.

I actually thought Werdum was faking the limp to try to GET Allistair to come in aggressively. I obviously have no confirmation for this, but I think a lot of Werdum's strategy was to frustrate THE REEM into making a mistake, then trying to bait him to go for the kill when he thought he was wounded.
 
If he was faking that knee thing, he did a good job selling it lol.

After 2.5 rounds of failing with that strategy, he should've just gone for it. Fucked up his shot to really emerge as a top heavyweight.
 
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro-ZHDeBO2s[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a519EizakAM[/ame]
 
Someone on the ug counted them, werdum flopped 23 times in a15 minute fight!

This just in, thales has been awarded the decision over and1 because he controlled where the fight went!
 
Any update on Wilcox?
No update about his condition, but I do have a picture....

Justin_Wilcox_eye.jpg
 
I liked how Werdum layed on the ground and begged for Overeem to come down with him. Overeem should have done the same to him to stand up and fight. Would have been funny.
 
Rewatched it for some strange reason because of all the posts about Werdum winning round one, some of you guys are nuts

Werdum didnt get 1 takedown, flopped a ton of times, landed no decent shots, Overeem landed some good punches and a couple knees, only significant strikes were by Overeem

Some could have been called knockdowns and a couple flops/guard pulls could have been called takedowns for Overeem, under no criteria could you call that round for Werdum, none

Overeem won round 1 and 2 easily, only round you could give to Werdum was round 3, that's it
 
Sherdog

Alistair Overeem vs. Fabricio Werdum
Round 1
There’s an intense staredown between Overeem and Werdum as ref Leon Roberts gives final instructions, and no touch of gloves once the bout starts. Overeem ducks an early head kick and stuffs a long shot from Werdum. He catches a kick from the Brazilian and throws him onto his back. Overeem stuffs another shot and Werdum rolls through, trying to lure the Strikeforce champ into his guard. Overeem won’t play, though, and motions Werdum back up. Every time Werdum shoots or tries to clinch, the hulking Dutchman just shucks him off. Both men very tentative on the feet through two minutes. Werdum steps up with a knee and puts a right on Overeem’s cheek, then pulls guard, but Overeem stands right back up. Werdum pulls guard again and Overeem backs out, raising his arms in the air. Outside leg kick from Werdum and the heavyweights appear to clash heads as they both lean in. Another pair of takedown attempts are blocked by Overeem. He clips Werdum with a left hook and “Vai Cavalo” falls to his back, wagging his finger. Werdum stands and flops to guard again; this time, he puts his hands together, mock-pleading for Overeem to follow him to the floor. Werdum pulls guard with 10 seconds left and finishes the round with Overeem in his guard.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Overeem
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Overeem
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Overeem

MMAJunkie

Round 1 - Leon Roberts calls the second quarterfinal heavyweight grand prix bout of the night. Both fighters change levels. Werdum leads with a high kick, but it's shrugged off by Overeem, who closes the distance. Werdum tags Overeem coming in, and then lands to the body. Werdum shoots from the open with a takedown and gets nothing. He follows with a kick and gets tripped. Another takedown attempt fails miserably. Then another. Werdum butt-scooting to the great dismay of the audience. Werdum with an inside leg kick. Then another shot fails. Werdum asks Overeem to come and get him, Overeem says no way. Overeem lands to the body then follows with a knee. Werdum chases after him with swinging punches getting nothing. Werdum closes then pulls guard, but Overeem stands out of it. Werdum chases with punches and gets nothing. Another charge and guard-pull, and another nothing for Werdum. But he is throwing off Overeem's rhythm. Werdum clinches and throws a knee, and Overeem trips him to the mat, standing overhead with his arms outstretched. A body shot from Overeem drops Werdum, but Werdum waves no-no. Werdum is now begging Overeem to follow him to the mat after a failed shot. Predictably, Overeem is saying no. Overeem lands a huge knee to the advancing Werdum and peels off. Werdum again charges and manages to lock in his first guard position of the night, but time is up. MMAjunkie.com scores the round 10-9 for Overeem.

MMAWeekly

Round 1: Werdum doesn’t back away from Overeem, comes out with a knee to the face. Werdum then shoots, but Overeem sprawls it out, then catches a Werdum kick and tosses him to the mat. Werdum is butt scooting, trying to get Overeem to come down, but the Strikeforce champ will have none of it. Werdum keeps shooting, but Overeem keeps shutting him down. Overeem drives a knee to the midsection.Werdum moves in firing punches, then pulls Overeem to the mat, but Overeem stands right back up… and again. Werdum lands a few punches and moves in with a knee strike, but can’t find a home for it. They clinch up and Overeem just tosses him off again. Overeem lands a hard left hook, follows with a knee to the body, and then tosses Werdum down again. Werdum begs Overeem to come down to the mat, but he won’t go. Werdum goes for the takedown and eats a knee from Overeem. Werdum pulls Overeem to the mat late in the round, but Overeem just stays on top of him and drops a couple shots before the horn. MMAWeekly.com scores round one 10-9 for Overeem
 
I made a thread on the UG about round 1, same stuff I put here, over 400 views, a couple people posted on it agreeing, not 1 person yet has said Werdum won round 1
 
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