The 2011 Tim Tebow Tracking Thread

[FirstTimer]

He's playing well enough to win.. which is better than I can say for any other QB we'be had out there the last two years.

When everyone else who has beaten the Raiders, Dolphins, Chiefs and Jets give their wins back because those teams are so lowly beating them shouldn't count. But I seem to remember a lots of Pats fans puffing out their chests for beating the same team we just did.

Pats fans suck. I think that chest puffing has more to do with the Jets being pricks than anyone really thinking the Jets are that damn good.

 

[FirstTimer]

So does that mean the win doesn't count or something? Should the Bears just erase their games against Minnesota from the schedule? They are worse than any team Denver has just beaten.

I didn't say the win shouldn't count. I'm just cracking up reading all these Tebow nut huggers saying "he's winning!". Ok, yeh. As of rght now. But do any of them really believe it's sustainable based on his style of play.

It's a really cute story and everything but anyone who thinks Tebow and the Broncos can keep winning like this, and win anything significant like this is fooling themselves.

 

[FirstTimer]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35668/the-legend-of-tim-tebow-grows

Go read some of the quotes in there by the Denver players. Something in this guy changes in the last five minutes, I can't explain it but it happens. And now there are NFL veterans basically confirming it.

But why should we believe what guys like Champ Bailey and Eric Decker have to say when we have a guy who runs an online Madden franchise and a marathon runner telling us that it just can't be the case.

LOL at this. Veterens and other players were saying similar thigns about the Bears "believing" in Rex Grossman over Kyle Orton at the end of the 2005 season when he came in against the Falcons.

Again, cute story. This too shall pass if the Broncos keep playing like this. The wildcat worked for a while too. How many teams still run it?

 

[DSpydr84]

I didn't say the win shouldn't count. I'm just cracking up reading all these Tebow nut huggers saying "he's winning!". Ok, yeh. As of rght now. But do any of them really believe it's sustainable based on his style of play.

It's a really cute story and everything but anyone who thinks Tebow and the Broncos can keep winning like this, and win anything significant like this is fooling themselves.

But you're also forgetting it's his 8th start in the NFL. I think he will only improve.

 

[NAHSTE]

Who remembers when Vince Young led an 0-8 Titans team to an 8-8 finish? All he did was win. Until he didn't.

 

[Bigpapa42]

I didn't say the win shouldn't count. I'm just cracking up reading all these Tebow nut huggers saying "he's winning!". Ok, yeh. As of rght now. But do any of them really believe it's sustainable based on his style of play.

It's a really cute story and everything but anyone who thinks Tebow and the Broncos can keep winning like this, and win anything significant like this is fooling themselves.

And so what? I don't disagree with the assessment, but isn't winning games preferrable to losing games? Is giving fans something to cheer about and enjoy, even temporarily, a terrible thing? Even assuming it doesn't last, what's wrong with fans - either Denver fans or just Tebow fans - enjoying it?

 

[FirstTimer]

But you're also forgetting it's his 8th start in the NFL. I think he will only improve.

And people have thought that about how many QB's in NFL history?

Could Tebow improve? Hell yes. And frankly I hope he does because Denver is entertaining as hell to watch with him. It's a welcome deviation from the kind of boring similar NFL offense everywhere else.

But I'm also not fooling myself thinking this shit can go on forever unless Tebow and the Broncos, improve, and adapt. T

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not here to predict the future... Neither is a majority of this site who wrote us off against the Lions. It's working right now and if we need to adjust next year than I'm confident it will happen.

Rex Grossman got you to the SB IIRC... If Tim Tebow gets us to the Super Bowl I don't really give a fuck how he does it.

Not in 2005...and Grossman was almost benched countless times in the season that he did...and he had amazing defenses..and fantastic running games...Grossman was also an early season MVP candidate in 2006 before he collapsed..then fell off the face of the earth in 2007. Flash in the pan really...whcih is kind of what we are seeing with Tebow now IMO..unless he improves.

Apples to oranges with the SB stuff.

You and KG have yet to point out what has changed in Denver's wins as opposed to their losses despite the change at QB and in offensive scheme.

Why would I?

Obviously Tebow is a (the main)factor in them. I'm not saying he isn't. I'm not discrediting Tebow for getting wins. I'm merely pointing out that he is in fact playing like shit. Winning yes. Playing well..no. These types of wins typically aren't sustainable when you look over the course of NFL history for QB that have won this way.

 

[FirstTimer]

And for the record:

I enjoy the fuck out of watching Tim Tebow play for a variety of reasons.

I hope to hell he improves and Denver sticks with him

 

[DSpydr84]

Obviously Tebow is a (the main)factor in them. I'm not saying he isn't. I'm not discrediting Tebow for getting wins. I'm merely pointing out that he is in fact playing like shit. Winning yes. Playing well..no. These types of wins typically aren't sustainable when you look over the course of NFL history for QB that have won this way.

But here's the kicker: He's playing like shit, and his team is 4-1. I'm not saying he's guaranteed to get better, but can you imagine what this team can accomplish if he does?

 

[Houston]

I like how Killgod said they're gonna end up in a "suck for luck" position next year. Last I checked that's exactly what they were doing this current season until Tebow got the starting position. Now they're have a pretty good shot a making the play offs.

From 1-4, to 4-1 and people are really acting as if The Broncos shouldn't be starting Tebow..or that their fans should be worried for the future? lol. Yes, I'm sure Tebow will be the demise of this great team he took over for....


Too many dumb arguments, not enough tracking.


His 20 yard TD run was the longest by an QB in the final minute to win the game.

Records and wins are not words that could be associated with Kyle Orton's play this season.

 

[RosettaStoned]

I'm officially a Tebow fan. I have always kind of liked him, ever since I saw some footage of him working out. People say "he works hard" and it seems cliche'. As somebody who puts in work, and watches athletes workout all the time... and I have worked out with a college and nfl player a time or two... I can say with little doubt that there are few people on this planet with this kid's work ethic. I can't not want the guy to succeed.

 

[RosettaStoned]

And last night baby Jesus stuck his omnipotent cock up Tebows ass and fucked him to the endzone. The lions are paying for there blasphemy against the one the call Tebow.

 

[NAHSTE]

His 20 yard TD run was the longest by an QB in the final minute to win the game.

Let me just go ahead and call bullshit on this right now.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFaPFXLK3ZE"]Michael Vick run vs Vikings - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Houston]

Let me just go ahead and call bullshit on this right now.

Michael Vick run vs Vikings - YouTube

By final minute, they mean in regulation time.



It's a pretty specific records, but one none the less.

 

[Woy]

Let me just go ahead and call bullshit on this right now.

Michael Vick run vs Vikings - YouTube

I think by last minute he meant the actual last 1:00 before the 4th quarter ended. So technically Vick's run doesn't count.

But it gives me a good excuse to remind Houston:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9acRrOEleC8"]Vince Young O.T. Run - YouTube[/ame]

Was pretty awesome hearing Texans fans actually cheer that run to beat their team. :smug:

 

[NAHSTE]

I think by last minute he meant the actual last 1:00 before the 4th quarter ended

LOL I know that. But Vick's run was still way more awesome.

 

[Houston]

Too bad your runningback can't even do that this seasont:lesmug:

 

[Atlas]

I think another thing that a lot of people are forgetting is that Denver is still in the process of installing this offense.

Sure, Tebow is more comfortable with the scheme but last time he checked he's the only on on our offense that played in Meyer/Mullen's scheme. Every other team in the league had a full preseason and now 10 weeks of the regular season to perfect their offense, we're still adding new stuff every week. So far it's week 3 of a process that usually takes an entire off-season of mini-camps followed by training camps and a preseason.

Not like that would have anything to do with offensive efficiency...

the zone read takes 10 seconds to install and doesn't really change any blocking assignments... really only the QB's and RB's have to adjust (in this case, just the RB's)...

 

[Atlas]

I forgot we just ran the zone read 60 times last night... Must have thought all those motion reverses that weren't in the playbook two weeks ago were something other than a zone read for some reason... I must be losing my mind.

How did I not realize those triple options and shovel passes were just zone read handoffs this whole time?

those are both basic concepts of the zone read offense... again, the blocking doesn't really differ from other run plays in this offense... way to dumb it down though...