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The 2011 Tim Tebow Tracking Thread

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I always liked Quinn, and I never figured out how things went so bad for him in Cleveland. I think/thought that Quinn was miles ahead of Jimmy Clausen. I think Quinn is a better athlete than Orton, and if Quinn continues to play well it could be a 3-QB race in Denver.
 
I think some athletes are simply winners ... and he's one of those guys. Sometimes, a player doesn't have all the qualities you look for, but wins anyway. I think Tebow is one of those guys.

Sorry I disagree. When you get to the NFL all the other shit your did is in the past. Just because you have been winning your whole life does not mean you are going to be successful in the NFL. The pro game is such a higher level than anything else. There are so many other factors for QBs as well. Just being drafted to the right situation with the right coaches for you can help you. If you are put into a situation that doesn't suit you well you can find your self and your talent coaching High School Football before you can say "WTF happened"
 
Every response from here on from me in this thread will consist of a failed "winner" from Florida, starting......NOW.


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Orton is through in Denver no matter what... He will either leave in a trade or via free agency in the off season. Elway & friends know this and are giving Quinn a good look to see if he's worth giving a contract next year. Tebow's not finished in Denver until they draft another young QB, which probably won't be for a while seeing as how they have way too many holes to fill. I think Tebow will have this year, next off season and 2012's training camp before the organization gives up on him.



Tebow is defiantly not acting like that... I don't know what QB you're following.
Orton is so the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL.
 
Aug. 21, 2011 12:48 a.m. - by Lee Rasizer - No definite pecking order at QB for Broncos
Coach John Fox played Brady Quinn as the backup over Tim Tebow but played coy on the pecking order at the QB position. "We'll look at it moving forward. We haven't named a No. 1, 2 or 3 yet. .... From a competitive standpoint, what the league allows you to do is not name a two or three. My past suggests we won't."

The Tebow era in Denver may be over before it even gets started. The consensus in speaking with a handful of team personnel executives when it comes to one Tim Tebow is this: A trade could happen, but it's becoming increasingly likely the Broncos will keep or cut Tebow because the trade interest is dwindling rapidly. The executives portray the Tebow situation as a complicated one. They believe that while the Broncos are not openly trying to trade Tebow, they say that when teams have recently inquired about him, the Broncos haven't been saying he's off the trading block, either. Again, just to be clear, the Broncos aren't openly shopping Tebow but teams that have asked were told: Make us an offer we can't refuse.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...tebow.harden.adelman/index.html#ixzz1VmCUN1cC

Head coach John Fox made official Monday what anyone who watched the Broncos training camp and the team's first two preseason games already knew: Kyle Orton is the team's starting quarterback.

Read more: Broncos name Kyle Orton starter for opener vs. Raiders - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18733153#ixzz1Vo6q0T00
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On my way home from work I heard a sports update on the local sports radio station 104.3 the fan that the Broncos are shopping Brady Quinn to the Indianapolis Colts.
 
I believe the Tebow being cut/moved theory. I think that the fact Weber got snaps in that game with Tebow only getting one series after playing almost half of the first preseason game was pretty telling.

The interview with Elway in the booth was pretty vanilla overall (Verne Lundquist) but I did notice that when he was talking about the QBs he mentioned Tebow's slow start at camp while having nothing but praise for the rest of the players at the position.

I think Denver is more than ready to move on with Orton/Quinn (with one going to the first team to have a starter go down) and Weber as the backup with a chance to grab one of the talented QBs coming out in 2012 to build their franchise around. But Tebow is far and away the most popular player on the Broncos at this point and the fan base is still kind of shell shocked from what happened with the team's last savior, Jay Cutler (ugh).

I think Denver's front office is in a really tough spot with this whole situation right now. They were brought in to stabilize this team after Josh McDaniels spent two years making arguably the worst sequence of personnel moves in the history of football (I challenge someone to find someone who got rid of so much talent for nothing so quickly) but this "Tebow thing" (to quote Brandon Lloyd) is a huge monkey wrench in getting it done smoothly.

I never thought I would say this but it would be in the best interest of the franchise to just go away quietly at this point (like that's possible). And if you're really serious about being an NFL QB why don't you spend the off-season working on your progressions and footwork rather than writing an autobiography that Disney wouldn't have even put out it was so filled with sap.

I disagree, the only reason Weber got snaps was because there was 1:45 sec left in a 24-10 preseason game. After Tebow departed every play was a handoff. Also Tebow had just ran for a first down, and the rest of the offensive snaps were going to be handoffs. Fox obviously figured there is no point in leaving Tebow in, if he got hurt handing the ball off it would be adding insult to injury. Weber is a practice squad player at best the next two years.

Pat Bowlen/John Elway are not stupid. They know they are treading lightly with fans and can't afford another 4-12 season. They are in serious danger of ending that crazy 40 year sell out streak, if anything Tebow would ensure ticket sells. Buried at the number three QB spot Tebow still keeps his fan base around this year. Now I personally don't think that's the reason they will keep him around, I fully believe Fox/Xanders/Elway feel Tebow is still an option at QB at some point in the future. Hell he's going to contribute this year in short yardage/red zone packages.

Out of the Four QB's on the team I see the 2012 training camp shaping out like this. Orton on a different team, Quinn and Tebow battling out for the number one spot and Weber (2011 practice squad) and a rookie QB dueling for the number three spot. Orton will be long gone because Denver won't "show him the money" and guarantee him a starting job, plus he took a shot to the ego this year by dwindling fan support and Elway trying to trade him. Quinn will get a multi-year deal (probably a 2-years) that's franchise friendly. And Tebow will be backing him up and getting PT in certain packages.

Finally, how do you know what Tebow did during the off-season? I'm sure it wasn't just sell underwear, write a book and play golf (like the media leads you to believe). The book was probably written years ago, if he REALLY wrote any of it himself. I'm more inclined to believe his play was affected by the lockout, that other stuff just doesn't fit his public persona.

We can agree on one thing though. McDamage is totally poison for a franchise and is probably one of the worst coaches in the NFL (talent evaluation wise). Elway/Xanders has come in here and really done nicely with the scrap heap they were left!
 
I know he wasn't at the player sponsored practices working with guys who were going to be his teammate this year.

You are wrong.

Tim Tebow joins Broncos' offseason workouts

"This part is important to show that we're all together," Tebow said. "I know a lot of us have been throwing and catching and doing what we need to do in other places, but this is big just to show that we're together. You can come together a few times to show, 'Hey, we've got each other's backs.' "

"I've been working with a lot of different receivers for the last several months, throwing in different states, wherever we've been, so I feel like I've got great timing," Tebow said.

Tebow was the only quarterback at the session. Veteran Kyle Orton, who threw passes at the bubble last week and on Tuesday and Wednesday this week, did not attend.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18095806

"Quinn's transformation is as telling as anything. He looks light years more confident than he did even last season and there's no reason for Tebow to look as flustered as he has (that INT he got bailed out on in the 1st preseason game; that crazy play where he ran all over the place that resulted in three offensive penalties; being noticeably upset as he came off the field in that last game) especially if he were to put in that same level of work."

Any NFL QB would be pissed starting behind Quinn! Dude Quinn has been in the League for FOUR years, of cuorse he's more polished than Tim Tebow. The poor guy was a project QB taken by a mad man way too early, but don't give me that sappy BS that Quinn out worked him in the offseason...It's not like Tebow came into camp over weight and not in shape. Quinn simply is a better QB right now. I think being in the league for FOUR is more telling as to why he's above Tebow on the depth chart.

Fact of the matter is this, Orton is the best QB on the team, Quinn is a better NFL QB than Tebow at this point.....However Tebow will still have more of an impact on how the 2011-12 season plays out. Neither Quinn being a mens model, Tebow writing a book or Orton being an alcoholic will affect how the 2011-12 season plays out. The running game and how the defense plays will be the KEY.
 
RotoWorldSome members of the Broncos organization tell Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports that Tim Tebow is the fourth-best QB in training camp.

"If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy," one source said. "Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow's way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I'm telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now." Added another Broncos exec, "Forget about how [Tebow] delivers the ball, or how accurate it is. First he has to know where to go with it." Team officials are now relieved that the Dolphins opted against meeting Denver's third-round asking price on Orton. Tebow was always expected to be a developmental project, but this year's camp has been a blow to his long-term outlook.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...est-qb-in-camp


First off it is a competition based only on performance, that's why Brady Quinn looks like he will be the 2nd string QB. All this BS buzz about Adam Weber being a better player than Tebow is ridiculous. All it is is crappy reporters trying to stir the pot more. For god's sake the Broncos haven't even officially named a second string QB. When the season is all said and done, all three (Orton Quinn Tebow) QB's will have taken snap in games and Weber will be on the practice squad.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_denver_broncos_quarterbacks_082311


 
Project Tebow: Savior’s wings get clipped

By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
8 hours, 19 minutes ago


tweet170EmailPrintENGLEWOOD, Colo. – The young quarterback dropped back smoothly in the pocket, looked off the safety and dropped a gorgeous touch pass over the coverage and into the corner of the end zone. His surprised target came out of his break to see the ball arcing downward, and reached up to snatch it just beyond a cornerback’s flailing arms.

Wooooooooooo! numerous Denver Broncos players exclaimed in unison, marveling at the inexperienced passer’s chutzpah and skill.

Yep, Broncos fans – it seems Adam Weber(notes), a rookie free agent from Minnesota, has a little bit of game.


“He threw that ball before the receiver made his cut, and it came down in the dude’s hands like, ‘Merry Christmas,’ ” Pro Bowl wideout Brandon Lloyd(notes) recalled Monday. “He’s thrown four or five passes like that in camp where it’s been like … whoa. Weber’s got personality, and he’s got some swag about him, too.”

If you’re wondering about the plight of that other inexperienced passer on the Broncos’ roster – how far and fast he has fallen in the eyes of his bosses – consider that at least some people in the organization believe that Tim Tebow(notes) is the fourth-best quarterback on the roster.

As one highly knowledgeable member of the organization told me Monday, “If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy. Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow’s way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I’m telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now.”

Translation: Tebow, you’re not in Florida anymore.

[Related: Is Brady Quinn usurping Tim Tebow’s role?]

Granted, some caveats are in order. Because things are not even close to equal, Tebow, for whom the Broncos traded up to select in the first round of the 2010 draft, would seem to be in very little danger of being beaten out by Weber, a four-year starter for the Golden Gophers who signed just after the lockout ended late last month and has “practice squad” written all over him.

Technically, even after Broncos coach John Fox’s announcement Monday that Orton has retained the starting job for a third consecutive season, Tebow remains in a battle with Quinn for the No. 2 spot. Realistically, given the regime change that began last December with the firing of coach Josh McDaniels and continued in January with the hiring of Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway as executive vice president of football operations, Tebow will likely spend his second season in Denver as a third-stringer with a highly uncertain future.

Less than a month after the Broncos nearly traded Orton to the Miami Dolphins with the idea of handing over the offense to the former University of Florida star, the bottom line is that Tebow, one of the most accomplished and beloved players in college football history, remains popular in the Mile High City only in the eyes of his legions of adoring fans. He has lost his guardian angel (McDaniels), and harps no longer play when he enters the huddle.


“Obviously, there is an investment, and there will always be an investment in first-round picks,” Elway said Monday. “But the bottom line is, our responsibility is to do the best we can to win football games, and we’ve got to figure out the best thing to do to accomplish that. And I think ultimately that’s what fans want.”

That means Orton, who threw for 3,653 yards and 20 touchdowns in 13 games last season – and served up only nine interceptions in 498 attempts – is in no danger of getting supplanted by the kid drafted to dispossess him of his job.

This is a remarkable turn of events from last season, when Tebow started the last three games and engineered an impressive comeback triumph over the Houston Texans. Trailing 17-0 at the half, Tebow went on a passing rampage, throwing for 308 yards, and scored on a 6-yard run with three minutes remaining to give Denver a 24-23 triumph, the Broncos’ third and final victory of a miserable season.

With the lockout depriving Elway, Fox and general manager Brian Xanders of the chance to evaluate their returning quarterbacks in minicamps and OTAs, the notion of trading Orton seemed like a viable one in late July, and talks commenced between the Broncos and Dolphins.

According to sources familiar with the negotiations, Miami offered a fourth-round pick in the 2012 draft for Orton, while Denver insisted on a third-round selection, and a stare down commenced. Orton, due to make $8.9 million in 2011, wanted his contract renegotiated to ensure that the Dolphins viewed him as their clear-cut starter, and Miami held firm on that front, too.

Meanwhile, both teams began training camp, and it soon became clear that Orton was a mile high above Tebow in his coaches’ estimation. While Dolphins fans reacted to incumbent quarterback Chad Henne’s(notes) camp struggles by chanting, “We Want Orton,” Broncos coaches were privately whispering, “We got lucky.”

As one high-ranking member of the Broncos’ organization said Monday: “Sometimes the best things that happen to you in life are the things that don’t happen.”

Sources say the Broncos view Tebow as a major project who was negatively impacted by the lack of an offseason. Having operated almost exclusively out of the shotgun in college, he still lacks smoothness when taking snaps directly from center: Whereas the Broncos’ other three quarterbacks anticipate the snap and are already into their drop upon receiving it, Tebow typically is locked in place, meaning he’s already behind in his timing upon the beginning of a play.

For all the talk about Tebow’s need to improve his mechanics, Broncos sources say his lack of familiarity with running a pro-style offense is an even more egregious issue. As one executive says, “Forget about how he delivers the ball, or how accurate it is. First he has to know where to go with it.”

Tebow’s bosses still believe his work ethic and character may allow him to overcome these deficiencies and develop into a starting-caliber quarterback down the road. In the meantime, they are handing the keys of Fox’s ball-control offense to Orton, a move that seems to have been well-received in the locker room.

“Now we can pick up where we left off,” says Lloyd, who led the NFL with 1,448 receiving yards in 2010. “The offense can get real detailed and creative with the calls, because Kyle is so cerebral. I’m not gonna lie: When I heard about [the possible trade], I was happy for Kyle, that he’d get out of this situation where he was being doubted and unwanted and go where someone wants him. I thought, ‘Good for him.’ But when it didn’t happen, it was a sigh of relief.”

Orton, a seventh-year player who was acquired by the Broncos in the infamous Jay Cutler(notes) trade with the Chicago Bears before the ’09 season, is grateful for Fox’s no-nonsense approach to coaching. As a rookie in 2005, Orton was thrust into the lineup because of an injury to Rex Grossman(notes), another former Florida quarterback, and helped guide the Bears to eight consecutive victories and an NFC North title. The next season, Grossman was named the team’s unquestioned starter and held onto the job in 2007 despite a blatant lack of consistency.

Of getting a chance to win the starting job, Orton said, “That’s all you can ask for as a player. I’ve been in a situation in Chicago when you didn’t have a chance to compete. That’s the worst thing there is. The way [Fox] motivates guys with positive reinforcement is great. He doesn’t shoot you a bunch of crap.”

Quinn, too, appreciates the apparent lack of politics in Fox’s decision-making. Given that his entire career has been marked by drama and unmet expectations – from his draft-day plunge in 2007 that rivaled Aaron Rodgers’(notes) experience of two years earlier for the most uncomfortable stint in green-room history, to his aborted stint as the Browns’ starter midway through 2008 (he was pulled after 2½ games), to his afterthought status in Denver last season after McDaniels acquired him in a March trade for running back Peyton Hills, who went on to rush for 1,177 yards in 2010 – he’s a resilient quarterback in search of a fair shot.

“The opportunity to compete definitely wasn’t there for me last year,” Quinn says. “It seemed like there would be one [in the spring], but once we got to camp, there really wasn’t an opportunity. I really wasn’t sure why. I never got an explanation. The rug’s kind of swept out from underneath you. It’s tough sometimes.

“I’ve been through a few different circuses – quarterback competitions, controversies, trade talks. My rookie year, we traded our starter [Charlie Frye(notes)] after the first week. And really, going into that next week in practice, had Derek [Anderson] not played well at any point he was probably coming out. That was pretty crazy.”

Fox, who coached the Carolina Panthers from 2002 through last season, watched Quinn’s struggles from afar and wondered whether he was inheriting a broken spirit. The coach says he has been pleasantly surprised.

“I’ve been impressed with him,” Fox says. “I think he had a very rough go in Cleveland. A lot of times, that gives you scars. Mentally, it’s tough to get over that. Last year [in Denver] I’m not sure he got much of a look. I assured him he’d get a look this year.”

Quinn isn’t the only Broncos player – or member of the organization – who’s treating Fox’s arrival as a sort of Prague Spring. After the repressive, paranoid, standoffish McDaniels spent two seasons doing his best impression of his mentor, New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick – other than actually producing a winning team – the guileless, personable Fox has breathed warmth and optimism into team headquarters.

“He’s what the doctor ordered here,” Elway says. “We needed a little football rehab. Fox is the perfect guy to change the attitude and get these guys looking forward to playing football again. I don’t think he’s a players’ coach – that term has a lot of different meanings to a lot of people – but I think he’s a guy that players like to play for.”

Right now, the odds of a certain young quarterback playing a meaningful game for Fox in Denver anytime soon look fairly long. And for those of you who don’t know Tim from Adam, yes, we’re talking about the Broncos’ probable third-string quarterback and the unfortunate fourth-stringer, an undrafted rookie who some believe is a better player.

How upside down are things in the Mile High City right now? If Tebow can hold off Adam Weber, that’s about the best outcome he can expect, at least in the short term.
 
Hmm... We seem to have a lot of individual threads about this Tebow guy. Someone should start a tracker thread.
 
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