The AFC South....

[Woy]

Ah, I can see we have a voice of reasoning.

No, it's a voice of stupidity.

 

[bcransom]

No, it's a voice of stupidity.

Okay. Great point.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL at labeling Matt Schaub a "great" QB after ONE good season.

 

[Argath]

Maybe they throw it to them that much because they are good? And LOL at calling Schaub a great QB.

But bigger LOL at Chris Cooley > Dallas Clark. That's hilarious.

Dallas Clark Career:

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS Avg LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 IND 10 29 340 11.7 42 1 16 0 0
2004 IND 15 25 423 16.9 80 5 18 2 1
2005 IND 15 37 488 13.2 56 4 25 0 0
2006 IND 12 30 367 12.2 40 4 22 0 0
2007 IND 15 58 616 10.6 39 11 37 0 0
2008 IND 15 77 848 11.0 33 6 41 2 1
2009 IND 16 100 1106 11.1 80 10 59 1 0
Career 98 356 4188 11.8 80 41 218 5 2


Chris Cooley Career:

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2004 WAS 16 37 314 8.5 31 6 23 0 0
2005 WAS 16 71 774 10.9 32 7 44 3 1
2006 WAS 16 57 734 12.9 66 6 33 0 0
2007 WAS 16 66 786 11.9 39 8 46 1 0
2008 WAS 16 83 849 10.2 28 1 43 3 2
2009 WAS 7 29 332 11.4 25 2 17 1 0
Career 87 343 3789 11.0 66 30 206 8 3



Keep in mind a few things..

1. The systems they play in are compelely different. Washington is a run on first 2 downs, pass on third down offense (atleast with Gibbs it was). Indianpolis is a pass 8 downs, run 1, pass 8 downs, run 1


2. Chris Cooley was the main recieving target for his team, and often faced double coverage in games. Dallas Clark for much of his career had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, and still has Reggie Wayne which defense focus on first.


3. Chris Cooley was injured for much of last season and was on pace for another 700-800 yard season, but unfortunately injuries are apart of the game so whatever.


4. Dallas Clark's QB is and always has been Peyton Manning, arguably the greatest QB to play the game and most certainly the best QB in the league today. Chris Cooley has had Patrick Ramsey, an old past his prime Mark Brunell (who apparently is identical to Tom Brady :dontknow, and Jason fuckin Campbell. Jeez-us Christ.


Dallas Clark had 1 awesome season, 2 solid seasons and 4 awful seasons. Chris Cooley had 1 awful season, 4 solid seasons, and an injury plagued season.

I'll take Mr. Consistency over a one year wonder.


Edit: Well fuck, I had all those stats spaced out perfectly too. Fuck VSN. Anyways, I'll take Matt Schaub over Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, and Jason Campbell all day every day

 

[FirstTimer]

Dallas Clark Career:

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS Avg LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 IND 10 29 340 11.7 42 1 16 0 0
2004 IND 15 25 423 16.9 80 5 18 2 1
2005 IND 15 37 488 13.2 56 4 25 0 0
2006 IND 12 30 367 12.2 40 4 22 0 0
2007 IND 15 58 616 10.6 39 11 37 0 0
2008 IND 15 77 848 11.0 33 6 41 2 1
2009 IND 16 100 1106 11.1 80 10 59 1 0
Career 98 356 4188 11.8 80 41 218 5 2


Chris Cooley Career:

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2004 WAS 16 37 314 8.5 31 6 23 0 0
2005 WAS 16 71 774 10.9 32 7 44 3 1
2006 WAS 16 57 734 12.9 66 6 33 0 0
2007 WAS 16 66 786 11.9 39 8 46 1 0
2008 WAS 16 83 849 10.2 28 1 43 3 2
2009 WAS 7 29 332 11.4 25 2 17 1 0
Career 87 343 3789 11.0 66 30 206 8 3



Keep in mind a few things..

1. The systems they play in are compelely different. Washington is a run on first 2 downs, pass on third down offense (atleast with Gibbs it was). Indianpolis is a pass 8 downs, run 1, pass 8 downs, run 1


2. Chris Cooley was the main recieving target for his team, and often faced double coverage in games. Dallas Clark for much of his career had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, and still has Reggie Wayne which defense focus on first.


3. Chris Cooley was injured for much of last season and was on pace for another 700-800 yard season, but unfortunately injuries are apart of the game so whatever.


4. Dallas Clark's QB is and always has been Peyton Manning, arguably the greatest QB to play the game and most certainly the best QB in the league today. Chris Cooley has had Patrick Ramsey, an old past his prime Mark Brunell (who apparently is identical to Tom Brady :dontknow, and Jason fuckin Campbell. Jeez-us Christ.


Dallas Clark had 1 awesome season, 2 solid seasons and 4 awful seasons. Chris Cooley had 1 awful season, 4 solid seasons, and an injury plagued season.

I'll take Mr. Consistency over a one year wonder.


Edit: Well fuck, I had all those stats spaced out perfectly too. Fuck VSN. Anyways, I'll take Matt Schaub over Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, and Jason Campbell all day every day

Don't agree that Clark is better than Cooley but good post and how dare you take Schaub over Brunell! Brunell is similar to Brady!!!

I don't think it's fair to say Clark had 4 "awful" seasons. it's not like he was sucking. I don't think it's a coincidence as Harrison started to fade out in Indy Clark's numbers started going up. Clark was the #3 on that team for most/all of his career. He's now the #2 option. It makes sense you'd see an increase in stats. Even in the years where you say he was "awful" he was still viewed as one of the best pass catching TE's in football. He was just the 3rd option behind Harrison/Wayne.

 

[NAHSTE]

Ah, I can see we have a voice of reasoning.

First of all, it's voice of reason dumb ass. Second of all, referring to Matt Schaub as a "great QB" in the same sentence as Peyton Manning is laughable.

I think he's not a great QB because he's only had 1 full season of starting, ever, and his team was doing just as well with Sage Rosenfels in there instead of him....

He's a decent QB, better than average, but to call him "Great" is an overstatement of the highest order.

 

[Archer]

Wait so Clark has more receptions, more yards, more tds, more first downs and less fumbles and yet he's a one season wonder compared to Chris "Mr.Consistency" Cooley?

I'm not going to argue Clark > Cooley because I don't watch Cooley enough but I find that a little wierd

 

[NAHSTE]

LOL at labeling Matt Schaub a "great" QB after ONE good season.

You mean the only season he's ever started all 16 games?

 

[bcransom]

LOL at labeling Matt Schaub a "great" QB after ONE good season.

Since he came to Houston and has had a chance to start he's been good, steadily progressed, exploding last year finally staying healthy for an entire season. So I'm not quite sure why you're acting like assuming that the season was anything but a complete and utter fluke is retarded.

 

[Argath]

Wait so Clark has more receptions, more yards, more tds, more first downs and less fumbles and yet he's a one season wonder compared to Chris "Mr.Consistency" Cooley?

I'm not going to argue Clark > Cooley because I don't watch Cooley enough but I find that a little wierd

4 seasons under 500 yards


I'd still take Cooley over Clark.. But i'm a homer :dontknow:

 

[FirstTimer]

Since he came to Houston and has had a chance to start he's been good, steadily progressed, exploding last year finally staying healthy for an entire season.

So how does that make him "Great"?

So I'm not quite sure why you're acting like assuming that the season was anything but a complete and utter fluke is retarded.

You've missed the point of what I was saying dipshit

 

[NAHSTE]

Since he came to Houston and has had a chance to start he's been good, steadily progressed, exploding last year finally staying healthy for an entire season. So I'm not quite sure why you're acting like assuming that the season was anything but a complete and utter fluke is retarded.

You just made my argument for me. He's not a great QB. STFU if you think he is, because you're a fucking dumb ass.

HoustonBitch, we know you're a HUGE FAN of your teams (so much so that you don't bother to remember the name of the best player in Rockets franchise history) but you don't have to be such a faggodocious homer.

Schaub has NEVER made the playoffs, is ONE GAME over .500 for his career, and has ONE full season of starting under his belt. Why wouldn't someone laugh at him being mentioned in the same breath as Peyton Manning?

Welcome to VSN, where Mark Brunell and Matt Schaub are HOFers.

 

[Houston]

HoustonBitch, we know you're a HUGE FAN of your teams (so much so that you don't bother to remember the name of the best player in Rockets franchise history) but you don't have to be such a faggodocious homer.

Too bad I don't watch Basketball?.......

Schaub has NEVER made the playoffs, is ONE GAME over .500 for his career, and has ONE full season of starting under his belt. Why wouldn't someone laugh at him being mentioned in the same breath as Peyton Manning?

Hmm let me see, why was Schaub mentioned in the same breath as Manning?
Oh yeah that's right cause we were talking about AFC Quarterbacks you idiot.

I don't care what happened in past seasons, I'm talking about this current season obviously. If I was taking into consideration the past......then Randy Moss probably would've been the #1 WR, and Tomlinson the #1 Runninback.
Oh yeah, plus there's the simple fact that I didn't even bring Schuab into this argument, I don't recall comparing Schuab to Manning or calling him great. lol at being a homer

 

[FirstTimer]

I don't care what happened in past seasons,.

So Schaub is the all-time leader in passing yards?

 

[NAHSTE]

Hmm let me see, why was Schaub mentioned in the same breath as Manning?
Oh yeah that's right cause we were talking about AFC Quarterbacks you idiot.

NO.

Not to mention they both have great QBs.

Explain to me how a thread on a specific division requires people to grossly overrate players in said division? And no, you didn't bring it up, you just posted the icecube gif when I disagreed with it, and agreed with whichever other dumb ass said Schaub was a great QB.

So yeah, you're a homer for thinking that the statement "Matt Schaub is a great QB" isn't laughable. My college roommate is a huge Texans fan, and even he would laugh at that. He also agrees that Larry Fitzgerald is better than Andre Johnson, but he's one of the more logical sports fans I know, and that's asking a bit much from you.

So yeah, you're a faggodocious homer, which, coupled with your complete lack of football knowledge, makes you ill equipped to carry on such discussions.

 

[Houston]

So Schaub is the all-time leader in passing yards?

Andre and Chris Johnson aren't all time leaders, doesn't stop them from being the best in the NFL. Like I said, are you gonna keep calling L.T. the best RB in the LG until he retires?

Past stats mean nothing when you're talking about who's currently the best.

If next year, Jamarcus Russel throws for 4000 yards and has the best season among QB's are you still gonna say he sucks because of what he did in the past?

NO.



Explain to me how a thread on a specific division requires people to grossly overrate players in said division?

umm yeah Argath was comparing TE's and he said Clark and Daniels had great QBs throwing to them.
If you have a problem with that then take it up with Argath

 

[FirstTimer]

Andre and Chris Johnson aren't all time leaders, doesn't stop them from being the best in the NFL. Like I said, are you gonna keep calling L.T. the best RB in the LG until he retires?

Yes. Of Course.

Past stats mean nothing when you're talking about who's currently the best.

Ok?

LOL you taking my sarcasm seriously.

Jesus Christ you are a fucking retard.

 

[NAHSTE]

umm yeah Argath was comparing TE's and he said Clark and Daniels had great QBs throwing to them.
If you have a problem with that then take it up with Argath

Since you probably didn't read my edit before your super awesome post, here it is again:

And no, you didn't bring it up, you just posted the icecube gif when I disagreed with it, and agreed with whichever other dumb ass said Schaub was a great QB.

So yeah, you're a homer for thinking that the statement "Matt Schaub is a great QB" isn't laughable. My college roommate is a huge Texans fan, and even he would laugh at that. He also agrees that Larry Fitzgerald is better than Andre Johnson, but he's one of the more logical sports fans I know, and that's asking a bit much from you.

So yeah, you're a faggodocious homer, which, coupled with your complete lack of football knowledge, makes you ill equipped to carry on such discussions.

 

[Houston]

So yeah, you're a homer for thinking that the statement "Matt Schaub is a great QB" isn't laughable. .

lulz, what QB's in the NFL would you consider Great?

 

[Argath]

:shifty:



As I said I'm a redskins homer, ignore me


I'm just here for lulz and to troll