The AFC South....

[Fox1994]

Chris Cooley > Dallas Clark

Jason Witten > Owen Daniels



lmao @ dallas clark and owen daniels being in the top5. the reason they had so many yards is because their offenses throw the ball 75% of the game. Not to mention they both have great QBs. Hard to miss a perfectly thrown ball.

Hey guys. I think ATF said they're both great QBs... Just sayin.

Maybe they throw it to them that much because they are good? And LOL at calling Schaub a great QB.

But bigger LOL at Chris Cooley > Dallas Clark. That's hilarious.

Schaub is a great QB... are you saying he isn't because he has a great receiving corps and throws the ball alot? Isn't it the exact same for Brees and Manning?

Hmmm

See. Here I see bc agree that Schaub is great. Not HB, though. (Forgive me for defending him, but this argument is pointless)

LOL at labeling Matt Schaub a "great" QB after ONE good season.

Dallas Clark Career:

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS Avg LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 IND 10 29 340 11.7 42 1 16 0 0
2004 IND 15 25 423 16.9 80 5 18 2 1
2005 IND 15 37 488 13.2 56 4 25 0 0
2006 IND 12 30 367 12.2 40 4 22 0 0
2007 IND 15 58 616 10.6 39 11 37 0 0
2008 IND 15 77 848 11.0 33 6 41 2 1
2009 IND 16 100 1106 11.1 80 10 59 1 0
Career 98 356 4188 11.8 80 41 218 5 2


Chris Cooley Career:

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2004 WAS 16 37 314 8.5 31 6 23 0 0
2005 WAS 16 71 774 10.9 32 7 44 3 1
2006 WAS 16 57 734 12.9 66 6 33 0 0
2007 WAS 16 66 786 11.9 39 8 46 1 0
2008 WAS 16 83 849 10.2 28 1 43 3 2
2009 WAS 7 29 332 11.4 25 2 17 1 0
Career 87 343 3789 11.0 66 30 206 8 3



Keep in mind a few things..

1. The systems they play in are compelely different. Washington is a run on first 2 downs, pass on third down offense (atleast with Gibbs it was). Indianpolis is a pass 8 downs, run 1, pass 8 downs, run 1


2. Chris Cooley was the main recieving target for his team, and often faced double coverage in games. Dallas Clark for much of his career had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, and still has Reggie Wayne which defense focus on first.


3. Chris Cooley was injured for much of last season and was on pace for another 700-800 yard season, but unfortunately injuries are apart of the game so whatever.


4. Dallas Clark's QB is and always has been Peyton Manning, arguably the greatest QB to play the game and most certainly the best QB in the league today. Chris Cooley has had Patrick Ramsey, an old past his prime Mark Brunell (who apparently is identical to Tom Brady :dontknow, and Jason fuckin Campbell. Jeez-us Christ.


Dallas Clark had 1 awesome season, 2 solid seasons and 4 awful seasons. Chris Cooley had 1 awful season, 4 solid seasons, and an injury plagued season.

I'll take Mr. Consistency over a one year wonder.


Edit: Well fuck, I had all those stats spaced out perfectly too. Fuck VSN. Anyways, I'll take Matt Schaub over Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, and Jason Campbell all day every day

See, ATF... Just sayin.

And no one said Schaub is as good as Peyton Manning, you're still putting words into our mouths.

All we are saying is that Schaub just had one of the best seasons this year among QBs.

Maybe he's not great(oh fuck, did you forget I never called him "great") but you're talking as if he's a scrub who shouldn't be mentioned when talking about the best in the LG now.

ATF said he was great...

 

[FirstTimer]

Hey guys. I think ATF said they're both great QBs... Just sayin.





See. Here I see bc agree that Schaub is great. Not HB, though. (Forgive me for defending him, but this argument is pointless)





See, ATF... Just sayin.



ATF said he was great...

Tits or GTFO

 

[NAHSTE]

I didn't say that. I said both Schaub and Manning play in offenses that throw the ball a lot. :

Schaub is a great QB... are you saying he isn't because he has a great receiving corps and throws the ball alot? Isn't it the exact same for Brees and Manning?

Hmmm

:smug:

 

[Houston]

Hey guys. I think ATF said they're both great QBs... Just sayin.





See. Here I see bc agree that Schaub is great. Not HB, though. (Forgive me for defending him, but this argument is pointless)





See, ATF... Just sayin.



ATF said he was great...

Finally a TRUE voice of reason:shifty:

See how fast people are ready to jump on me for shit I didn't even say?

lulz

 

[Woy]

Schaub has a horrible defense supporting him and his team loses games. That doesn't mean he didn't have a great year.

Horrible defense? No. Average defense? Yes.

Well that's the difference, you dwell in the past too much when you talk about who's good and who's not.

Schaub had a better season then Rogers, Rivers, and Roethlisberger so as of now I'm saying he's a better QB then they are.

Schaub's better than those three? LOL, shut the fuck up.

What do all three of those quarterbacks have in common? They have made the playoffs; something Schaub has not done yet. Rivers has some playoff wins under his belt and Roethlisberger has two nice Super Bowl rings already. And you're calling Schaub better than them? LOL

"But no, it's a season-by-season approach!" Tell me you dumb motherfucker, if you're ranking players by season-by-season performances, would you have considered Matt Cassel a top quarterback in 2008? Players can have good years and bad years; you need to do it CONSISTENTLY to reach that top tier.

Stick to posting in The Studio and let the big boys talk football in here. We actually know what we're talking about.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

If a QB puts up huge numbers and winds up with a .500 or worse record, those numbers mean nothing. They usually just come because the team is playing from behind.

A QB whose one good statistical season (so far) has led to a non-winning record for his team is not a great QB. Not saying it won't happen, but he's not now. Right now he's a great fantasy QB, but not real life.

 

[Argath]

Hey guys. I think ATF said they're both great QBs... Just sayin.





See. Here I see bc agree that Schaub is great. Not HB, though. (Forgive me for defending him, but this argument is pointless)





See, ATF... Just sayin.



ATF said he was great...

:shifty:



As I said I'm a redskins homer, ignore me


I'm just here for lulz and to troll

:smug:

 

[Houston]

Right now he's a great fantasy QB, but not real life.

I lul'd

 

[Woy]

I lul'd

Why are you laughing at the truth?

 

[Houston]

:smug:

That was some great trolling.

1 single post by you caused a bunch of ruckus and flamming that you completely dodged.




P.S.- I said that was great trolling. Not to be confused with saying Argath is a great troller, I also didn't say he was the best alive and should be in the hall of fame...

 

[Fox1994]

Tits or GTFO

As it is written, so shall it be done.

 

Finally a TRUE voice of reason:shifty:

See how fast people are ready to jump on me for shit I didn't even say?

lulz

And for that one too...

I can't bodyguard you all the time, though. I'll lose e-rep and thereby e-peen... There's nothing I love more than e-peen.... except e-pussy...

So don't say anymore dumb shit (this wasn't dumb; but the fuck-up in the 'best qb' thread was)... And don't get yourself banned again.

 

[Houston]

As it is written, so shall it be done.

 

And for that one too...

I can't bodyguard you all the time, though. I'll lose e-rep and thereby e-peen... There's nothing I love more than e-peen.... except e-pussy...

So don't say anymore dumb shit (this wasn't dumb; but the fuck-up in the 'best qb' thread was)... And don't get yourself banned again.

Will do captain

 

[jaxjaggywires]

Aww...Fox is Kevin Costner to HB's Whitney Houston...

 

[Fox1994]

:wub: How'd you know?

Btw, the AFCS did have three Pro Bowl QBs. :shifty:

 

[Woy]

:wub: How'd you know?

Btw, the AFCS did have three Pro Bowl QBs. :shifty:

The Pro Bowl is a joke though.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

:wub: How'd you know?

Btw, the AFCS did have three Pro Bowl QBs. :shifty:

After getting down to, like, the 6th alternate...I like me some AFC South, but let's be real.

 

[Houston]

Yeah I was thinking about mentioning the pro bowl but then I remembered it was a joke.

 

[NAHSTE]

If a QB puts up huge numbers and winds up with a .500 or worse record, those numbers mean nothing. They usually just come because the team is playing from behind.

A QB whose one good statistical season (so far) has led to a non-winning record for his team is not a great QB. Not saying it won't happen, but he's not now. Right now he's a great fantasy QB, but not real life.

The Texans were 9-7 this year. It's the best in franchise history. So a full-season of Matt Schaub means 2 more wins than a full season of David Carr starting (2004), and 1 more than 11 games of Schaub and 5 games of Rosenfels (07 and 08).

So congratulations Matt Schaub, your career year led to 2 more wins than David Carr's did, and your first full season led to 1 more win than your previous two 11-start seasons. You are also 10-12 career as a starter.

This is the resume of a great QB on VSN.

:elephant:

 

[jaxjaggywires]

lol...my bad. So used to the Texans finishing < .500, I forgot they actually had a winning record this year.

Jags swept em though, so it's cool...

 

[Houston]

So a full-season of Matt Schaub means 2 more wins than a full season of David Carr starting (2004), and 1 more than 11 games of Schaub and 5 games of Rosenfels (07 and 08).

:ice: