The Amazing Spiderman (2012)

[Buzzman]

the directors cut of Daredevil was really good. But Ben Affleck starring at the time was such a mistake because he was so unpopular with the media at that time.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

with a darker, more realistic undertone

Heeeeere we go. And predictably thats where the thread went..


1. There is no dark or "realistic" undertone to Spiderman. Spiderman has and always should be the reluctant campy hero. Sorry to break it to all of you but Spiderman 1 nailed Peter Parker/Spiderman. There was some creative freedom taken ((skipping gwen going straight to MJ , Organic web shooting)) both worked beautifully.The goblin costume was terrible though.
Ill admit Part 2 was blah...and 3 was trash. But thats Raimis fault for falling in love with the numbers and trying to appeal to the "chick flick" audience. Part 3 was a disaster because he took full control from writing up and destroyed one of the greatest villains in the marvel universe.


2. Batman doesnt have any damn super powers. You have to be gritty and realistic. Batman 1 was just that . The only campiness was the Jokers insanity. Even that was oscar worthy by Nicholson. Nolans take on Joker was different but the tones of both movies was the same as the first Batman. The further that franchise got from that the worse it got.


Having some gritty dirty hyper realistic Spiderman is utterly stupid. Why not just make the Hulk orange.


3. Iron Man was great. Downey was fantastic and the movie was every bit as good as Dark Knight. As "hyper realistic" as you can get about a guy flying around in a red and yellow robot suit.

4. Hollywood is fucking retarded. How do you "reboot" a movie thats 8 years old ,and spawned 2 sequels. Thats like Cameron rebooting Lord of the Rings.



Raimi absolutely screwed the franchise. Spiderman doesnt have great villains.
2 goblins , Lame ass sandman , Lizard.... only Doc Ock and Venom are worth any screen time.
Theres not much left unless you start crossing over to daredevil territory and have Kingpin show up.

 

[Buzzman]

lol at Raimi screwing up Spiderman. He was the only reason the 1st two were good. The 3rd one, Sony fucking man raped him, forcing him to use Venom and sandman because they wanted money and they themselves re-wrote the script, and now after he wanted full contol back for Spiderman 4, they said fuck you, we dont want the vulture as the villian in the 4th. YOUR FRIED.

So dumb, i bet Raimi and John Malkovich would've created a great vulture. Then the 5th was all set up for The Professor becomin Lizard.

 

[MVP1991]

the new one is supposed to have Kirk's dad from the New Star Trek as Cap

No he is going to be Thor.

They haven't picked someone to play Cap yet.

 

[Sean]

^ thats right my bad, kept thinking of Triple H as Thor, lol

 

[dell71]

Yeah, I grew to hate the sulking behavior of Peter Parker in Spider Man 2 and then followed that up with a disgust for the acting in Spider Man 3. However, I don't see how a reboot will fix anything.

Batman Begins was good. Dark Knight was okay. I actually hated how Christian fucked with Batman's voice but I have to admit I liked the new Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) over the Tommy Lee Jones casting back in Batman Forever. I'm going to have to go back and watch the first Batman from 1989 though because I didn't realize that Harvey Dent was even in that movie. I was too young at the time to pay attention.

There are a couple characters I want to see on the big screen someday.

Thor
Captain America
Daredevil - I wanted to see another one
Green Lantern

I don't want to see crap though. I want a great experience watching them.

I liked Spidey 1, liked Spidey 2 better & Spidey 3 was pretty to "look at" but horrible to "watch."

Billy Dee Williams played Dent in the '89 Batman and barely made it on to the screen. He pops up, you say "Hey, there's ___ (whatever you know him most as: smooth ass Billy Dee or Lando Calrissian or the guy from the Colt 45 commercials)!" Then he disappears.

Glad I'm not the only person who actually liked Daredevil.

the directors cut of Daredevil was really good. But Ben Affleck starring at the time was such a mistake because he was so unpopular with the media at that time.

Again, I actually liked the theater version, haven't watched the DC yet.

Heeeeere we go. And predictably thats where the thread went..


1. There is no dark or "realistic" undertone to Spiderman. Spiderman has and always should be the reluctant campy hero. Sorry to break it to all of you but Spiderman 1 nailed Peter Parker/Spiderman. There was some creative freedom taken ((skipping gwen going straight to MJ , Organic web shooting)) both worked beautifully.The goblin costume was terrible though.
Ill admit Part 2 was blah...and 3 was trash. But thats Raimis fault for falling in love with the numbers and trying to appeal to the "chick flick" audience. Part 3 was a disaster because he took full control from writing up and destroyed one of the greatest villains in the marvel universe.

I agree with the sentiment, and yes the GG costume was ridiculous. But like I said, I thought the 2nd was a better movie and Buzzman already addressed the issues with part 3.

2. Batman doesnt have any damn super powers. You have to be gritty and realistic. Batman 1 was just that . The only campiness was the Jokers insanity. Even that was oscar worthy by Nicholson. Nolans take on Joker was different but the tones of both movies was the same as the first Batman. The further that franchise got from that the worse it got.


Having some gritty dirty hyper realistic Spiderman is utterly stupid. Why not just make the Hulk orange.

Good stuff.

3. Iron Man was great. Downey was fantastic and the movie was every bit as good as Dark Knight. As "hyper realistic" as you can get about a guy flying around in a red and yellow robot suit.

Liked it a lot...but not as much as TDK.

4. Hollywood is fucking retarded. How do you "reboot" a movie thats 8 years old ,and spawned 2 sequels. Thats like Cameron rebooting Lord of the Rings.

Actually, I agree but Hollywood has something going in its favor - by 2012 there will be a whole slew of 10 year olds with little/no recollection of the first 3 movies (or the LotR series, for that matter) that will demand mom & dad take them to see Spider-man: Valedictorian or whatever they're gonna call it.

Raimi absolutely screwed the franchise. Spiderman doesnt have great villains.
2 goblins , Lame ass sandman , Lizard.... only Doc Ock and Venom are worth any screen time.
Theres not much left unless you start crossing over to daredevil territory and have Kingpin show up.

Again, Buzz covered some of this. While Spidey doesn't have a slew of great villains there's more than enough to carry a franchise. Venom deserved his own movie, not 2 hours of build-up, 10 minutes of yapping and 5 minutes of action. Same goes for Hobgoblin. They started building toward it in the first movie then flush it by cramming him in with two other villains.

 

[Palooza]

This is going to be a teeny-bopper movie focused on the teenage angst element. It will be a lame soap opera first and then superhero movie second. Just like Twilight is a soap opera first and vampire movie second.

 

[Fox1994]

If that's the case, then fuck it.

 

[JeremyHight]

Heeeeere we go. And predictably thats where the thread went..


1. There is no dark or "realistic" undertone to Spiderman. Spiderman has and always should be the reluctant campy hero. Sorry to break it to all of you but Spiderman 1 nailed Peter Parker/Spiderman. There was some creative freedom taken ((skipping gwen going straight to MJ , Organic web shooting)) both worked beautifully.The goblin costume was terrible though.
Ill admit Part 2 was blah...and 3 was trash. But thats Raimis fault for falling in love with the numbers and trying to appeal to the "chick flick" audience. Part 3 was a disaster because he took full control from writing up and destroyed one of the greatest villains in the marvel universe.


2. Batman doesnt have any damn super powers. You have to be gritty and realistic. Batman 1 was just that . The only campiness was the Jokers insanity. Even that was oscar worthy by Nicholson. Nolans take on Joker was different but the tones of both movies was the same as the first Batman. The further that franchise got from that the worse it got.


Having some gritty dirty hyper realistic Spiderman is utterly stupid. Why not just make the Hulk orange.


3. Iron Man was great. Downey was fantastic and the movie was every bit as good as Dark Knight. As "hyper realistic" as you can get about a guy flying around in a red and yellow robot suit.

4. Hollywood is fucking retarded. How do you "reboot" a movie thats 8 years old ,and spawned 2 sequels. Thats like Cameron rebooting Lord of the Rings.



Raimi absolutely screwed the franchise. Spiderman doesnt have great villains.
2 goblins , Lame ass sandman , Lizard.... only Doc Ock and Venom are worth any screen time.
Theres not much left unless you start crossing over to daredevil territory and have Kingpin show up.

Oh please, Batman was one of, if not THE campiest lamest heroes of all time. It wasn't until he had a great series of writers that he turned from potential homosexual sitting in a cave and fighting laughable villains into the dark, gritty detective you make him out to be.

All it takes is ONE good series (like the Ultimate series) to make Spiderman into a viable, realistic hero. He is never going to be completely realistic, but he can be made 10 times better than he was portrayed in the movies.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Oh please, Batman was one of, if not THE campiest lamest heroes of all time. It wasn't until he had a great series of writers that he turned from potential homosexual sitting in a cave and fighting laughable villains into the dark, gritty detective you make him out to be.

All it takes is ONE good series (like the Ultimate series) to make Spiderman into a viable, realistic hero. He is never going to be completely realistic, but he can be made 10 times better than he was portrayed in the movies.

Once again BATMAN HAS NO POWERS.
His nickname is Darknight ,most of his backdrops even in the "campy" days were caves , a crime torn city , and insane asylums.Not to mention 2 utterly deranged villians in Joker and Scarecrow.

Contrast to the "Friendly neighborhood spiderman" whos a late teen early 20s nerd in a red costume shooting webs from building to building over daytime manhattan dropping corny quips whenever he can. Fighting a guy with tentacles and the other in a green halloween costume.

Massive difference.


Spiderman was both accurate and great portrayal of what Spiderman had always been.

Spiderman ..gritty and realistic ?? lol.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

lol at Raimi screwing up Spiderman. He was the only reason the 1st two were good. The 3rd one, Sony fucking man raped him, forcing him to use Venom and sandman because they wanted money and they themselves re-wrote the script, and now after he wanted full contol back for Spiderman 4, they said fuck you, we dont want the vulture as the villian in the 4th. YOUR FRIED.

So dumb, i bet Raimi and John Malkovich would've created a great vulture. Then the 5th was all set up for The Professor becomin Lizard.

The first one still had alot of James Camerons treatment in it.
Raimi nabbing writing duties just to cut out the most loved ((and probably only loved)) villian in the spiderman universe was utter stupidity. The instant he made that decision he knew full well what was going to happen.
Hes a director thats what he should have stuck to.

Raimi doesnt deserve full control much like Michael Bay doesnt. He needs other people involved to make his movies better.

Being good behind the camera and writing a film are monumentally different tasks.Raimi is only good at one.

 

[j.hen]

Got an audition for new Harry Osbourne next month. I'll carry this film, dont worry guyz.

 

[Sean]

i kept hearing they wanted to make Superman darker like Batman... as a die hard Superman fan, i say screw you DC, Superman is like Spider-Man, everyone knows and loves him, dont screw Superman up like Singer did

btw, for a gay director who gave us Halle Berry as Storm and Anna Paquin as Rogue, wtf did he do when he decided to pick Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane? theres a scene where shes cleaning dishes or something and she bends over...NO ASS

personally, when i think Lois Lane, i think sexy chick who can pull of the being a nerdish type chick if she has to, i think Olivia Munn, Scarlett Johannson (sp?) but not Kate Bosworth

back to Spider-Man, i'm surprised how many people didnt like SM2, LOTS of people thought that was the best of the series

for Sam Raimi though, if you decided to do a SM movie, you should know at some point your gonna be asked to include Venom, i think he purposely ruined the last movie

 

[James2Stapleton]

I wanan see the Rhino villain in the new spider man

 

[dope]

Spider-man: Valedictorian

:applause:

that made me laugh pretty good!

 

[Buzzman]

who says Rami didnt plan on having Venom at a later point. Maybe if the Sony woulda said something like, "hey we want Venom in a movie, were just giving you a heads up next movie we want him" then you have Rami do his thing with Spiderman 3 while at the same time he can set up and prepare Venom his own way. Thats all it woulda took, but no Sony was greedy and wanted Venom in Spiderman 3 and absolutley killed the character.

 

[Goober]

What super hero wasn't campy in the Golden age of comics?

 

[dell71]

What super hero wasn't campy in the Golden age of comics?

To be fair, Bats was one of the darker characters early on, then they camped it up when they added Robin. Then came the ultra campy Adam West series and the Superfriends. Somewhere after that, I think, Frank Miller got involved & he & some other writers turned the tide back to a grimmer character and Tim Burton's two movies continued in that manner. Then Joel Schumacher and that damn Robin came along again trying to emulate the Adam West show on the big screen. Dumb.

 

[Goober]

To be fair, Bats was one of the darker characters early on, then they camped it up when they added Robin. Then came the ultra campy Adam West series and the Superfriends. Somewhere after that, I think, Frank Miller got involved & he & some other writers turned the tide back to a grimmer character and Tim Burton's two movies continued in that manner. Then Joel Schumacher and that damn Robin came along again trying to emulate the Adam West show on the big screen. Dumb.

Exactly. Batman started out as a killer...

 

[Sean]

who says Rami didnt plan on having Venom at a later point. Maybe if the Sony woulda said something like, "hey we want Venom in a movie, were just giving you a heads up next movie we want him" then you have Rami do his thing with Spiderman 3 while at the same time he can set up and prepare Venom his own way. Thats all it woulda took, but no Sony was greedy and wanted Venom in Spiderman 3 and absolutley killed the character.

hes getting his own spin off reportedly