The breakdown of P4P meaning and fighters

[SHOGUN]

I don't want to be left out....

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Mike T. Brown
6. BJ Penn
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Rampage Jackson
9. Nate Marquardt
10. Megumi Fujii

 

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1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Anderson Silva
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Thomas Brown
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Miguel Torres
10. Uriah Faber

Updated, I might move a guy around, this was done in haste because of the Aldo fight and it was fresh in my mind

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Shogun Rua
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
9. Jose Aldo
10. Shinya Aoki

Honorable Mentions: Mike Thomas Brown , Miguel Torres, Brian Bowles, Uriah Faber, Eddie Alvarez

The top 10 is getting very crowded, after the top 4 it is getting really hard to rank these guys, just look at the fighters right outside of the top 10, all these guys can be in the mix

 

[EmpireWF]

1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. Machida
5. Penn
6. Aldo
7. Mousasi
8. Big Nog
9. Torres
10. Shogun


I still have Torres in my top ten feeling he was just knocked out and any fighter can be KOd.

Aldo is a monster.

 

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Aldo's 4 fights this year, just destruction

Win Mike Thomas Brown TKO (Punches) WEC 44 - Brown vs. Aldo 11/18/2009 2 1:20
Win Cub Swanson TKO (Flying Knee and Punches) WEC 41 - Brown vs. Faber 2 6/7/2009 1 0:08
Win Chris Mickle TKO (Punches) WEC 39 - Brown vs. Garcia 3/1/2009 1 1:39
Win Rolando Perez KO (Knee and Punches) WEC 38 - Varner vs. Cerrone 1/25/2009 1 4:15

 

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Jose Aldo is 23 years old and Gegard Mousasi is 24 years old

What type of career are these 2 guys going to have, they both just keep getting better and better

 

[EmpireWF]

Hopefully they steer clear of shit and keep on working

At least with Aldo, except for that loss (and that's the only non WEC fight I've seen him in), he's never been in danger. It's going to take a down night for him or a special opponent to beat him if he keeps it up.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Jose Aldo is 23 years old and Gegard Mousasi is 24 years old

What type of career are these 2 guys going to have, they both just keep getting better and better

I love Dreamcatcher and last night was first time really sitting down and watching Aldo seriously...destruction.

 

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1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Shogun Rua
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Shinya Aoki
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10. Jose Aldo

Aoki can not be denied, his list of wins at LW can not be compared, Hirota, Hansen, Alvarez, JZ, Uno, etc...

Honorable Mentions: Mike Thomas Brown , Miguel Torres, Brian Bowles, Uriah Faber, Eddie Alvarez, Dan Henderson

 

[SHOGUN]

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Shogun Rua
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Lyoto Machida
8. Ikuhisa Minowa
9. Jose Aldo
10. Gegard Mousasi

HM: Nate Marquardt, Mike Brown, Miguel Torres, Dan Henderson, Megumi Fujii

 

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Updated

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Shogun Rua
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Shinya Aoki
9. Jose Aldo
10. Gilbert Melendez

Honorable Mentions: Mike Thomas Brown, Uriah Faber, Eddie Alvarez, Dan Henderson, Jake Shields

 

[EmpireWF]

Sorry, Aoki is too one dimensional for my tastes in P4P rankings. He's great at grappling, no doubt, but most of these guys are.

Also, I don't know about Melendez in the top 10. For one, I'd have Henderson above him. As good, if not better wrestling and more powerful striker.

Surprised you don't have Aldo higher than 9. I'd have him right after Penn.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Updated

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Shogun Rua
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Shinya Aoki
9. Jose Aldo
10. Gilbert Melendez

Honorable Mentions: Mike Thomas Brown, Uriah Faber, Eddie Alvarez, Dan Henderson, Jake Shields

Hendo? But no Rampage?

 

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Hendo? But no Rampage?

Isnt he retired, is the Rashad fight even on?

 

[EmpireWF]

Isnt he retired, is the Rashad fight even on?

Yep, Rashad/Rampage on May 29th in Vegas.

 

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Yep, Rashad/Rampage on May 29th in Vegas.

ok cool, after Rampage KO's him he will probably crack the top 10

man, I would have to look up to see who Rampage actually fought last, lol, its been forever

 

[EmpireWF]

ok cool, after Rampage KO's him he will probably crack the top 10

man, I would have to look up to see who Rampage actually fought last, lol, its been forever

Jardine in March 2009.

 

[Liquidrob]

Sorry, Aoki is too one dimensional for my tastes in P4P rankings. He's great at grappling, no doubt, but most of these guys are.

Also, I don't know about Melendez in the top 10. For one, I'd have Henderson above him. As good, if not better wrestling and more powerful striker.

Surprised you don't have Aldo higher than 9. I'd have him right after Penn.

Aoki is just to dominate at LW to be denied, he uses his grappling/sub game better than almost anyone and can dicate where the fight goes even with less than stellar striking and not great TD's, he will pull guard, butt scoot, whatever it takes to bring the fight where it needs to be

Aldo will be higher once he dispatches Faber

 

[Steel Mamba]

Lets see, I don't think I updated my list in awhile so I'll post my thoughts as well.

1. Anderson Silva +- (When you dominate two weight divisions and being as well rounded as he is you get the #1 spot)
2. GSP +- (A great win over Penn makes GSP a strong challenger for that #1 spot. But I see Silva facing and beating tougher competition in the near future)
3. BJ Penn +- (Gotta give Penn the nod over Fedor here since he's facing the top guys in his division and will soon clean it out and that's what its about. To be considered a current P4P best it starts with actively dominating your division first and foremost)
4. Fedor - (Possibly the best champion in our sport and he could probably clean out the HW division if he wanted to. But, there's a big difference between probably and actually setting out to do it. So while he's no doubt the best HW in MMA that doesn't give him a pass from fighting against the best. Until he gets in there with the best again with so many other elite fighters on the rise his spot may continue to fall)
5. Machida + (undefeated and has fought the best of the best. Controversial win over Shogun, but it still has to be considered a win nonetheless)
6. Shogun + (Will swap places if he wins)
7. Jose Aldo +
8. Rampage -
9. Cain Velasquez +
10. Jon Fitch -

Just for reference here's my previous list - I believe this was from August

1. GSP
2. Anderson Silva +
3. Fedor - (Hasn't fought since Jan and a possible win over Brett Rogers doesn't do much for his stock)
4. Machida +
5. BJ Penn
6. Big Nog + (hard to put Nog over Penn right now since Nog is not the best in his division, he needs a few more solid wins to move back up the ranks IMO)
7. Rampage -
8. Shogun +-
9. Torres
10. Mike Brown

Trying to keep them somewhat weighted I guess you could say - so basically Big Nog previously being 6 and Cain whippin that ass, on top of how good he is gets him the #8 spot on my updated list. As mentioned there as well Fedor's stock was already dropping so after a tightly contested fight with a green Rogers and not having any fights coming up assuming until the Summer, yes Fedor drops to #4. But, lets be honest when you look at Silva, GSP, and Penn are those three not the most well rounded fighters in MMA right now? Aren't they facing all of the top guys in (and out) of their division? Those three deserve the top spots.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2a. Georges St. Pierre
2b. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Brown
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Rampage Jackson
9. Jake Shields
10. Miguel Torres

Damn, haven't done one of these in like 6 months...

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Gegard Mousasi
7. Jose Aldo
8. Shinya Aoki
9. Jake Shields
10. Jon Fitch

HM - Dan Henderson, Shogun Rua...

 

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3. BJ Penn +- (Gotta give Penn the nod over Fedor here since he's facing the top guys in his division and will soon clean it out and that's what its about. To be considered a current P4P best it starts with actively dominating your division first and foremost)
4. Fedor - (Possibly the best champion in our sport and he could probably clean out the HW division if he wanted to. But, there's a big difference between probably and actually setting out to do it. So while he's no doubt the best HW in MMA that doesn't give him a pass from fighting against the best. Until he gets in there with the best again with so many other elite fighters on the rise his spot may continue to fall)

your list is your list, but I will debate this point, Fedor already cleaned out the best HW division in Pride and than continued to beat 3 straight top 10 HW's, Barnett would have been great, but oh well, BJ is beating guys who have failed at 170 and found on TUF, just because he is in the UFC doesnt make the division stacked

BJ has come back and beat Jens Pulver (huh?), Joe Daddy (lol), Sherk (post juice), Ken Flo (Best guy he beat but who has Ken Flo beat?) and Diego (Yes!)

Is that really something special? I love Penn but he is not fighting the best LW's in the world, he just isnt, the UFC doesnt pay for the best LWs' and don't bring in the best LW's besides BJ