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I think it's hard to separate the WM match and the SS match from last night. The WM match MAKES the Summerslam beatdown. Without it, you got nothing. Yeah, it wasn't a classic by UT ' standard. But it worked well for what it was.

Yeah, but in its own bubble, the WM match was terrible. Knowing what we know after the fact, it should have been under 8 minutes with Brock dominating. The way it happened, the match was going along (sloppy, not smooth at all, though both guys were banged up during it so we know why) and then all of a sudden, Brock wins. Everything was done for the big shocking moment afterwards but everything until then was brutal.

If it's done similar to the Cena SS match, Brock comes off even more like a monster.

But whatever, thanks to the match Sunday, Brock is the unstoppable bad ass motherfucking beast. Now hopefully they can keep him that way until they figure out who should beat him (Reigns?).
 
IMO, Reigns being the guy to conquer Lesnar is just wrong. It's too obvious ... and too scripted. Hell, at the Bella Twins level.

Reigns' time will come, but if it's over Lesnar at Wrestlemania, it's just too obvious.

Not sure who faces Lesnar at Wrestlemania, but if it's Reigns, it's too early and too obvious.
 
Reigns has to be the guy. They got nobody else. Bryan is already made, and a question mark health-wise. Who else ya got? Ambrose is the only other option. Wyatt would be a bad move. I love Rollins, but nobody buys that. Cesaro is already de-pushed. Reigns is the guy. Ambrose is a plan B.
 
The SS match in the context without the Streak momentum is not NEARY as good a match. Let's be honest. Neither one is a great match in a standalone. But given the circumstances, the SS match was amazing in large part BECAUSE of what happened at WM.
 
Reigns has to be the guy. They got nobody else. Bryan is already made, and a question mark health-wise. Who else ya got? Ambrose is the only other option. Wyatt would be a bad move. I love Rollins, but nobody buys that. Cesaro is already de-pushed. Reigns is the guy. Ambrose is a plan B.

How about this? It's no one. Lesnar wins at Wrestlemania.
 
You don't have a part-time older wrestler come in, be made to look dominant by top stars, and then NOT have him give somebody that rub and momentum. That's like the one time where the predictable option HAS to happen. Like Bryan winning at WM this year. You could pass on that route, but you lose all the steam you had going in.

He's a MONSTER HEEL, Dave. He has to lose on the big stage.
 
Yeah, but in its own bubble, the WM match was terrible. Knowing what we know after the fact, it should have been under 8 minutes with Brock dominating. The way it happened, the match was going along (sloppy, not smooth at all, though both guys were banged up during it so we know why) and then all of a sudden, Brock wins. Everything was done for the big shocking moment afterwards but everything until then was brutal.

If it's done similar to the Cena SS match, Brock comes off even more like a monster.

But whatever, thanks to the match Sunday, Brock is the unstoppable bad ass motherfucking beast. Now hopefully they can keep him that way until they figure out who should beat him (Reigns?).

Daniel Bryan.
Dean Ambrose
Rusev

Should all get the Brock rub before Reigns.
 
He's a MONSTER HEEL, Dave. He has to lose on the big stage.

By Wrestlemania he could be so respected he's not actually a heel.


Going by Larry's list:

Rusev - sorry, but Lesnar comes out All-America, even as a heel, Rusev is dead.
Dean Ambrose - terrific worker, but simply not a #1 guy in a company.
Daniel Bryan - amazing worker, but if these two got in a fight in real life, Danielson would lose 100% of the time.
 
Daniel Bryan.
Dean Ambrose
Rusev

Should all get the Brock rub before Reigns.

It would make Ambrose. Bryan has already had his star-making moment, so I wouldn't waste the big rub on tying another jet pack on him. Rusev? He'll no. Maybe in 2 years. Reigns has been positioned for this. Like it or not, he's their guy. This is his destiny. It's going to take a lot for it not to happen. If it doesn't, like I said, Ambrose is THE guy.
 
Dave, what don't you like about Bryan or Ambrose? They can work their asses off, the crowd loves them to death, they're both pretty damn good on the mic. They have it all. Why wouldn't you want either of them over Brock? If Bryan hadn't already been made this WM, I'd have no problem with him getting the rub. Neither of those guys are that much smaller than Angle, who everyone bought against Brock.
 
If you believe the early rumors Hs and Vince are split on who takes down Lesnar at wm31. Hs wants it to be Reigns and Vince wants Rock.
 
Dave, what don't you like about Bryan or Ambrose? They can work their asses off, the crowd loves them to death, they're both pretty damn good on the mic. They have it all. Why wouldn't you want either of them over Brock? If Bryan hadn't already been made this WM, I'd have no problem with him getting the rub. Neither of those guys are that much smaller than Angle, who everyone bought against Brock.

I love both, really, but I hate how they've played Ambrose since The Shield split. He went from that bad-ass Shield attire to Brooklyn Brawler wardrobe. IMO, they've turned him from white-hot to upper midcard since The Shield split, but kept Reigns hot.

But, in both Bryan's and Ambrose's cases, I just don't see them winning a real-life fight over Lesnar ... and that means something.
 
If you believe the early rumors Hs and Vince are split on who takes down Lesnar at wm31. Hs wants it to be Reigns and Vince wants Rock.

I can see that and I can't at the same time. Rock/Brock again would do amazing business. But I can see Vince having a huge boner for Reigns. They've given him a very big push, and I doubt they'd do that without faith in him from Vince. There's two pretty concrete things about Vince: A) He doesn't care how much money he loses in the short-term and B) He always sees the big picture.
 
I love both, really, but I hate how they've played Ambrose since The Shield split. He went from that bad-ass Shield attire to Brooklyn Brawler wardrobe. IMO, they've turned him from white-hot to upper midcard since The Shield split, but kept Reigns hot.

But, in both Bryan's and Ambrose's cases, I just don't see them winning a real-life fight over Lesnar ... and that means something.

Ambrose is a beast and fans eat him up and his new gimmick, I think he'll surpass upper-mid card...
 
Ambrose is kind of a tweener currently. Not white meat enough to be a full-on babyface, but he's positioned against heels. Kinda SCSA-esque. Bad ass that doesn't really care about rules, but positioned similarly to faces. And he's unbelievably hot right now. If not for the amazing run that Bryan went on earlier this year, then the best crowd reactions of the year. I don't understand why anyone would think he's cooled off since the Shield split.
 
Provided they give him he opportunity, which is 50/50, Ambrose has a higher ceiling than Reigns and has the ability to be a legitimate #1 star. I made the early Stone Cold comparisons months ago on the podcast, and i'm glad to see others are picking up on it.

You are getting a Reigns mega push, like it or not. His floor is now Orton, who was never really a star but has always been treated like one. He'll be on top for a decade whether he's a true top guy or not. He has a very log way to go in the ring. Orton killed himself to get a decent match out of him, and it was still barely average. Reigns doesn't have to be a great worker, The Rock never was, Cena took a long time before he was good, but he does have to be average, and right now he isn't. He needs to be totally carried right now.

In hindsight Lesnar should have had that squash with Taker, but the brittle old fuck might have died.

Rusev/Swagger was incredible. Rusev is the real deal and should not lose until it puts over a key face for a Brock match. My fear is they do Cena/Rusev, and waste the Rusev loss.

Rollins having the case is pointless with Brock as champ until Mania. He should lose the case to Ambrose, who then cashes in on Brock following a match. Amborse can get over huge by losing a red hot, spirited 3-5 minute sprint with a few near falls before Brock crushes him. The way the Cena match went, you can now get guys over by just showing cracks in Brock, even in losing.
 
Provided they give him he opportunity, which is 50/50, Ambrose has a higher ceiling than Reigns and has the ability to be a legitimate #1 star. I made the early Stone Cold comparisons months ago on the podcast, and i'm glad to see others are picking up on it.

You are getting a Reigns mega push, like it or not. His floor is now Orton, who was never really a star but has always been treated like one. He'll be on top for a decade whether he's a true top guy or not. He has a very log way to go in the ring. Orton killed himself to get a decent match out of him, and it was still barely average. Reigns doesn't have to be a great worker, The Rock never was, Cena took a long time before he was good, but he does have to be average, and right now he isn't. He needs to be totally carried right now.

In hindsight Lesnar should have had that squash with Taker, but the brittle old fuck might have died.

Rusev/Swagger was incredible. Rusev is the real deal and should not lose until it puts over a key face for a Brock match. My fear is they do Cena/Rusev, and waste the Rusev loss.

Rollins having the case is pointless with Brock as champ until Mania. He should lose the case to Ambrose, who then cashes in on Brock following a match. Amborse can get over huge by losing a red hot, spirited 3-5 minute sprint with a few near falls before Brock crushes him. The way the Cena match went, you can now get guys over by just showing cracks in Brock, even in losing.

Fedor EmeliaRusev should squash Cena with equal fervor once he gets through the Hoss Division unscathed. Cena should be away from the title picture for a while. Gotta make that next run to the title special considering the kayfabe "importance" of it with tying Flair and all and keeping him away for a while will do that. I wouldn't strap up Cena again, barring Brock being a disaster, Reigns flopping hard, and Daniel Bryan coming back and subsequent title run fizzle out...until WrestleMania 32.

Rusev has made me a believer. Some of the best in-ring selling in the company is Rusev when he cranks back on that Accolade. He sells the move better than his opponent. The stomp and nostril grab add some gusto to it.
 
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Watching Raw on Hulu (ya know, cuz I love commercials), and Heyman/Lesnar is SUCH a money combo. Heyman is an unbelievable salesman, but people don't need him to buy Lesnar right now. He's icing on the cake. Lesnar is booked perfectly and a goddamn monster. Heyman is in elite carny level of salesmanship. Fantastic work from all involved.
 
Rusev selling the leg reminded me of that Chris Masters performance on Superstars vs Drew McIntyre. He was everything we want Tetsuya Naito to be.

/nerdiest post ever in this thread, and this is a wrestling thread so imagine the ground that covers
 
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