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adembroski said:
I'd bet Jim Cornette has a hand in it.
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Cornette's fingerprints are all over the "new" ROH product. Maybe that will change a bit under Delirious's booking, that remains to be seen.

Cornette gives you simple, traditional, LOGICAL booking. Smokey Mountain Wrestling was really predictable, but it always made sense and I still watch some of that stuff today. Cornette will never wow you with creativity, but I will take his LOGICAL simplicity over anything you see in North American wrestling these days. I can't say he'd be my first choice to lead my company, but he's near the top of the list.
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
Cornette's fingerprints are all over the "new" ROH product. Maybe that will change a bit under Delirious's booking, that remains to be seen.

Cornette gives you simple, traditional, LOGICAL booking. Smokey Mountain Wrestling was really predictable, but it always made sense and I still watch some of that stuff today. Cornette will never wow you with creativity, but I will take his LOGICAL simplicity over anything you see in North American wrestling these days. I can't say he'd be my first choice to lead my company, but he's near the top of the list.
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I think, if I were to start a wrestling company, he may not be my first choice as booker, but he'd damn well be involved. I don't know how long I could put up with his childish temper and "OMG RIGHT WING FASCISTS!" rants...

I don't need creativity in wrestling. Creativity is what got the WWE and TNA in the shit direction its in. I think Cornette's best use would be to oversee whoever you do have booking and have him able to say, "Ok, this is fucking stupid. Stop it."

Think of him able to temper Paul Heyman and prevent ECW from becoming the trash wrestling it became. Keep Heyman's mind for the booking game, but eliminate the excesses.
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
Cornette's fingerprints are all over the "new" ROH product. Maybe that will change a bit under Delirious's booking, that remains to be seen.

Cornette gives you simple, traditional, LOGICAL booking. Smokey Mountain Wrestling was really predictable, but it always made sense and I still watch some of that stuff today. Cornette will never wow you with creativity, but I will take his LOGICAL simplicity over anything you see in North American wrestling these days. I can't say he'd be my first choice to lead my company, but he's near the top of the list.
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PS: Is there any way for a guy to seriously follow RoH in depth if they don't have access to HDNet? I don't mind paying for the PPVs, but I'd really like to be able to follow the TV product, but it's simply not offered in my area.
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
Cornette's fingerprints are all over the "new" ROH product. Maybe that will change a bit under Delirious's booking, that remains to be seen.

Cornette gives you simple, traditional, LOGICAL booking. Smokey Mountain Wrestling was really predictable, but it always made sense and I still watch some of that stuff today. Cornette will never wow you with creativity, but I will take his LOGICAL simplicity over anything you see in North American wrestling these days. I can't say he'd be my first choice to lead my company, but he's near the top of the list.
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He's a tough guy to work with but he'd definitely be in the VERY short list of guy I'd use.

Yeah, some of it's predictable, but that's not bad. It's predictable because it makes sense. There's no problem in that, no shame in that.

What I love about Cornette is he's a wrestling nerd. He's booking WRESTLING. He's not ashamed of the product and doesn't try to make himself think he's booking a reality TV show or a sports drama or any of that crap. He books wrestling and does things in wrestling that have been done countless times before, but they've been done because they WORK.
 
Heel Michael Cole is not working. Abort now.

It doesn't help that he's only heel half the time. The moment Cena shows up, he's 'face again. Christ it's annoying.
 
WWE cut MVP.

Sucks but I guess it's better than doing absolutely nothing there.

And to think, the man could have been a bonafide main eventer had he not mouthed off to a piss test taker. :smh:
 
Cornette is awesome. He'd be my #1 choice to run a show.

A shame about MVP. He was great as a heel. He's almost 40, maybe TNA will take a look at him.
 
SHOGUN said:
Cornette is awesome. He'd be my #1 choice to run a show.

A shame about MVP. He was great as a heel. He's almost 40, maybe TNA will take a look at him.
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Isn't that about 10 years too young?

Anyways, I have a guilty pleasure to admit.

There is a reason I still watch WWE programming despite how much it sucks.

I'm a Sheamus mark. It is right and proper that he is King of the Ring. And it will be right and proper when he breaks 'Takers streak.

Thank you.
 
IamMedellin said:
MVP apparently asked for and recieved his release
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The last great semi-push he had was when he was traded to RAW and immediately set his sights on Orton's title...

After which he eventually jobbed down to being Mizzark's Tag Partner. :smh:

He will be missed.
 
adembroski said:
Heel Michael Cole is not working. Abort now.

It doesn't help that he's only heel half the time. The moment Cena shows up, he's 'face again. Christ it's annoying.
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Cole is fucking awful. He's not a very good commentator normally. But when he's doing his heel shtick, it completely takes away from the match. Punk's far more subtle heel approach has completely blown Cole out of the water of late, and having Jim Ross on TV a few weeks back simply reinforced how bad Cole has become.

I realize Cole is working a gimmick. Its a terrible fucking gimmick. I read people lauding him for doing a great job at being annoying and want to bash my head into my coffee table. Being annoying doesn't really take a great deal of skill. When its been done in the past - Vickie Guerrero or Jillian's singing - it was done in small portions. Cole is doing is constantly through a 2-hour show. Unless the purpose is to make people want to watch the product less, I don't get the approach...
 
He's reaching turn off your TV heel status which is bad and as Papa mentions you can live through a 2 minute Vickie Guerrero promo. Cole squealing for 2 hours is getting REAL bad.
 
adembroski said:
o.O was this week so good it made up for the trash that feud was the two weeks before that?
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I didn't think the feud was trash, but then again I like Matt Morgan, Flair and Fortune. It got off to a rocky start for sure but I like think it's gotten a lot better when they limited the Hogan/Bischoff aspect and limited to just Morgan and Fortune. And considering how much I've raged and shit on the show over how they set things up, the Matt Morgan/Jeff Hardy feud is actually getting somewhat compelling so I'm giving them props for actually getting something right. It's been simple and clean booking for the most part.

1. Jeff Hardy gives Ken Anderson a concussion.
2. Morgan objects with Immortal for mocking Anderson forcing him to wrestle with a concussion.
2. Morgan leaves Fortune and challenges for a title.
4. Morgan nearly beats Hardy for the belt, but loses to ref shenanigans.
5. Immortal feels threat of losing stroke with a Hardy defeat, so they have Morgan's former group to try and trip him up.
6. Morgan clears one of their obstacles every week, winning a chance to choose his guest referee at the PPV along the way.
7. Morgan teases legitimate selections for his guest ref, but he's finally looks to be in trouble and Jeff Hardy attempts to give a concussion but Ken Anderson finally returns to save him and he's given the position after a really good promo.

The whole storyline feels so out of place on because it's actually logical and consistent instead of the constant overload of gimmick match/shenanigans/backstage brawling that they do and hope something sticks. That in general has gotten ridiculous at this point. Brawling is all Samoa Joe, The Pope, and the broads have been doing these past few weeks and it just makes me weary and incapable of actually caring about any of them.

Now could all this good will I'm having simply be the result of a feud winning the tallest midget contest? Most likely. It's not that great of story and is basically a holdover feud until one of big names get ready, but it doesn't take away the fact that's still been well executed, especially for TNA. Morgan's gotten over as a face, nobody has been made to look like an absolute joke and Jeff Hardy hasn't tarnished his heel status because of the sheep in the Impact Zone.

However, this compliment could go right in the trash after their PPV, where they have a tendency to swerve and ruin everything.
 
JayDizzle said:
You gotta be a HUGE mark to get that to happen at your wedding...

That dude's wife is a keeper. ;)
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Fuck no...

That'd be immense though. However, you gotta have everybody on the same page.

Majorly disappointed with the dude coming out to Goldust's theme to not give the erotic rub down of the body and deep breath in.

We did see some Mr. Perfect and Bret Hart, which was nice.
 
LiquidLarry2GhostWF said:
Fuck no...

That'd be immense though. However, you gotta have everybody on the same page.

Majorly disappointed with the dude coming out to Goldust's theme to not give the erotic rub down of the body and deep breath in.

We did see some Mr. Perfect and Bret Hart, which was nice.
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The best was the asian couple coming out to the old ORIENT EXPRESS music. Yes, I popped for that.

Talking your wife into being introduced at your wedding to the fucking Mr. Perfect theme is the ultimate win. The groom sould have tossed a hand towel behind his back and did the gum spit/slap, too.
 
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