The General Wrestling Thread

[SuperKevin]

So after last night, is Alberto Del Rio a face or a heel? He's really just a waste of space for me right now

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

But let's all be honest, his punch is one of the worst finishers in wrestling history. Not because it looks bad, but because it makes absolutely no sense.

The idea of this giant dude with a fist the size of a concrete block being able to knock a dude out with it is a pretty good idea...its just booked like shit. I mean, I understand the idea of a punch being devastating when this giant bastard can cock back and launch it...its just...in a match, why isn't his punches booked better. He gets tons of clean shots throughout a match and a guy doesn't die. He gets a ton of bodyshots in and no ones ribs are busted. Its just booked like shit.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The idea of this giant dude with a fist the size of a concrete block being able to knock a dude out with it is a pretty good idea...its just booked like shit. I mean, I understand the idea of a punch being devastating when this giant bastard can cock back and launch it...its just...in a match, why isn't his punches booked better. He gets tons of clean shots throughout a match and a guy doesn't die. He gets a ton of bodyshots in and no ones ribs are busted. Its just booked like shit.

This is why punch is a silly finish. You can't book around something that is commonly done at any point in every match.

At least he doesn't use a bear hug. There is nothing worse than a bear hug in 2012.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

At the same time, I can see why Cesaro picked that move.

-It's safe, and WWE is the land of safe moves.
-It's something he can do to anybody, of any size. You aren't going to hit 'Riccola Bombs' on Big Show or Great Khali.
-It's easily reversible by use of back drop, which is key for the WWE main even style where they tease the finisher incessantly down the stretch.

I remember when people asked Daniel Bryan why he chose the Labell Lock instead of the Cattle Mutilation in the WWE. He basically said the front face lock looked better on TV, because with one hard camera shot you could see both mens faces, where as with the Cattle Mutilation, you have to switch cameras to see both guys. Personally I hate moves like the crossface/Labell lock/Gargano Escape/whatever it is that Cena does, because they look like shit and always look awkward & easy to escape. But that was very intelligent long term thinking by Bryan.

The Neutralizer is no different than the Styles Clash...meh. Not my favorite finisher, but in WWE-land, it provides him the ability to show off his raw strength and the move is overly safe. No one will ever get hurt fro that thing, ever.

My issue is, he should DO the Ricola Bomb as part of his moveset. That move is taylor made for the WWE. With the audience yelling Ricola, it'd be great.

The submission finishers always look like shit because they are applied with the intent for the guy to keep moving around or reverse it as they whore out the finishers. A real STF hurts like a motherfucker. Labell Lock , the same. They are just loosely put on and the bad acting (especially Cena's...holy fuck, could you try and pull the guys head back instead of putting your forearms against his cheeks?).

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

At least the Styles Clash/Bisontennial looks cool, especially the AJ version where he seamlessly turns it into a pin. The Neutralizer looks like he's botching something.

The Neutralizer reminds me of when I would wrestle my little brothers when we were kids, and I would lift them up for something totally dangerous just to make them shit their pants, but then gently lay them down instead of paralyzing them.

 

[SuperKevin]

The Neutralizer would be so much better as a piledriver but the WWE essentially put a ban on piledrivers when Steve Austin broke his neck

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This is why punch is a silly finish. You can't book around something that is commonly done at any point in every match.

At least he doesn't use a bear hug. There is nothing worse than a bear hug in 2012.

I dunno, man...

 

[FedEx227]

THE YET-AH!

 

[SuperKevin]

Look at what happened to Tommy Dreamer following his beatdown on Monday night

 

[FedEx227]

 

[SuperKevin]

Yeah the swelling went down quickly but it was still insane how bad he looked at first

 

[EmpireWF]

lol at this….latest back issue of the Observer is from October 23, 1995. In the span of a week:

-Bill Watts quit WWF as booker because he discovered he did not have as much power as he thought. Vince is still the man in charge while Brisco handles house show finishes, JR is the main assistant booker, while Pritchard and Patterson are assistants booking TV.


- (the infamous Syracuse incident) Shawn, Bulldog & Waltman got beat up outside a bar in Syracuse by a group of 8-10 servicemen before a plain clothes cop appeared and drew a gun (the attackers drove away, never to be found or prosecuted).

Waltman wasn't injured. Bulldog's eye got fucked up (one of the attackers eye-gouged the fuck out of him) while Shawn's face was badly damaged. He needed stitches, his eyelid re-attached and both of his eyes were swollen shut. He did not suffer a concussion and had no broken bones, so he was released from the hospital hours after the incident.

Shawn flew back to San Antonio to rest. Bulldog and Waltman continued on the road. It was basically 50/50 whether Michaels would return in time to wrestle Dean Douglas at the In Your House PPV (he did not, Douglas got the IC title by forfeit).


- About a week earlier, Shawn Michaels was in an incident with the Blu Brothers backstage at a matinee charity show at MSG. Shawn was in the locker room when Don Harris locked the door with a chair…Ron grabbed him by the throat and they "scared" Michaels. They didn't beat him up or anything like that. Their final appearance with WWF was a few days later so there was no formal punishment. The beef was said to be from "personal disagreements."

- Undertaker suffered a broken orbital bone and is out for about a month, missing the PPV. In a house show match in Rhode Island, Mabel tried to clothesline Taker, but they were too far apart and Taker ended up getting cracked in the face with his fist. After working a few more dates, he couldn't take the pain anymore and eventually underwent surgery. He was expected back for Survivor Series (which he made).

 

[ThomasTomasz]

So for those more in the know than myself, which is most of you, what is the current speculation on the TNA 1-3-13 promo?

 

[SuperKevin]

So for those more in the know than myself, which is most of you, what is the current speculation on the TNA 1-3-13 promo?

Damn i missed it. It's on TV downstairs but I came upstairs to use the computer

 

[SuperKevin]

A lot of people saying it will be the return of Abyss

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Well it's Sting.......sorry if I'm not excited about that.

 

[SuperKevin]

Best way to get fans to ignore that Aces & 8s is a nWo rehash is to end the angle with a Crow Sting rehash. Wait that's can't be right

 

[EmpireWF]

Bubba turns on Hogan, reunites with D-Von.

 

[IamMedellin]

heh

 

[SuperKevin]

Bubba turns on Hogan, reunites with D-Von.

Very realistic angle right there. Especially with Bubba seemingly no longer involved in the Main Event picture, seems natural to put him back into the tag team title picture.