The General Wrestling Thread

[EmpireWF]

Foley was no more a stuntman than Shawn Michaels was.

Like warner said, Foley sure as hell had a good look if you go back to Cactus Jack and most definitely as Mankind. He wasn't going to produce 5* matches but he definitely held his own and knew how to work. The famous one with HBK, the classic Rumble one with HHH, the countless brawls with Taker (not even including the famous KOTR match in this) and those are all just off the top of my head.

He helped make Randy Orton and Edge into main event caliber guys. He single handedly made HHH a legit main-eventer.

His Cane Dewey promo is without a doubt one of the most famous all-time.

And all that's without even mentioning the HIAC match specifically. Did it help him get over? Of course, it pushed him over the top in the eyes of lots....but let's not act like he went on to make those falls the norm. The biggest shitstorm he put his body through from July 1998 to the end of his full-time run in WWE was what? I'd guess the barrage of chair shots from Rocky at Rumble 1999. Otherwise, you're talking about other chair shots to the head at various times, thumbtacks and maybe a little barbed wire?

Remember, when Foley first came to WWF in 1996, he was pushed as Taker's equal and they feuded on and off for the better part of 2 years before the big bumps at KOTR. So, to say he made it to the top exclusively because he took those bumps (and I guess you also refer without naming it specifically, his horrific shit in the Deathmatch stuff), is overstating it by a lot.

 

[IamMedellin]

Why would you ever give people what they want and make them happy? Doing the complete opposite, out of some sort of weird spite towards your audience, is what generates goodwill and maximizes profits.

oh Cmon Now

U know it's bc Cyndi lauper Needed 15 minutes to set up her money match with Heath Slater

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

 

[IamMedellin]

F4WOnline.com reports that Del Rio had a dispute with upper-level management that day and threatened to quit WWE. One company source says Del Rio was frustrated with his role and contemplating a departure. A second source said the incident wasn't that big a deal and that both sides were wrangling over a contract matter. A third source believes the spat was a combination of both accounts.

Del Rio has leverage; he has no issues with income and could return to Mexico as a heralded former WWE Superstar and son of noted luchador Dos Caras. A company employee expressed skepticism Monday night that Del Rio had legitimately suffered a concussion, noting that he was "too injured" to work the No Way Out pay-per-view event on Sunday but healthy enough to work the following evening's Raw SuperShow. The employee believes the concussion was a cover excuse for issues that came up between Del Rio and WWE, necessitating his removal from the match.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe...ened_To_Quit_WWE_WWE_Parody_Account_News.html

 

[SHOGUN]

 

[IamMedellin]

Kenn Doane Interview: Cena Being The "Tiger Woods" Of WWE & Wanting Orton Fired, Spirit Squad
By Michael Bluth
Jun 20, 2012 - 11:51:50 AM

Former WWE superstar Kenn Doane spoke with SEScoops.com and spoke about a number of controversial topics, including John Cena being the "Tiger Woods" of WWE and breaking up his engagement to Mickie James (which led to the demise of Doane & James' WWE careers), Cena trying to get Randy Orton fired from WWE, his experience in the Spirit Squad, how WWE has changed since he left in 2008 and much more.

Note From Kenn:"First and foremost before reading this interview if your going to say "Your a cheerleader" or make comments of how I got beat in matches then your probably too uneducated and immature to continue so please hit the back button located at the top left of your webpage now. And now lets begin..."

When you were in the Spirit Squad, was there a feeling like this would brand you with a 'stench' that would be impossible to shake, or were you just happy to work with DX and Vince McMahon so early in your WWE career?

"We always knew going into it that groups don't last forever and the best way possible to get out of that 'stench' so to say would be simply to fight each other or go back down to developmental and be repackaged. Fortunately Dolph had that opportunity, the other 3 got fired and I got brought back the following week as Dykstra. Spirit Squad was basically a group designed to bring back DX and that's it. We came in as badass cheerleaders that took advantage of a 5-2 ratio and beat up every tag team they put in our way. Except when it came to DX, no 5 grown men could ever beat 2 not those 2 lol. This is where haters will say "duh haha you got superkicked and pedigreed." But I'ma let them in on a secret. ITS F*CKING FAKE! I knew what was going to happen and I did because that was my job. That is equal to me saying haha you just got a stack of papers at your desk and now have to work more. People don't understand that this is a job. Nobody is really the champion of anything. It is a simple show that you watch and enjoy. If you were in a movie with Sly Stallone and beat his ass but then at the end he killed you would you be mad? Absolutely not you would tell everyone to go watch it. We make short action movies where in the end one loses and the other wins. So if you think otherwise then you didn't read my disclaimer at the beginning and you can hit the back button now."

What are your thoughts on fellow Spirit Squad alum Dolph Ziggler's breakout potential?

"I think it's great and I am a HUGE Dolph supporter. I text him sometimes before big matches telling him I may do a shoot run in and help him win because he deserves it. I think if THEY let him above the glass ceiling he will be a big player when it comes to the future. We already know Cody Rhodes will get through the glass ceiling eventually for sure. His damn father is a writer. Nothing against Cody he is a great talent just saying it how it is. And as for THEY i mean the politicians in the top spots. Guys like... like.... whats his name??? (haters and nerds get ready here it comes) John Cena that's it. This man seems afraid of losing his spot and I never understood it because they are very high on him as we can all see but I guess when your at the top you must be afraid of falling sometimes. John is greedy in the ring and he is allowed to be. Very rarely do we see top babyfaces selling for anyone anymore. I think this is part of whats missing in wrestling today. I remember Bret Hart would sell for anyone at any level in every match, the reason being is if your babyface isn't in danger then why do we care to cheer for them? Steamboat did the same thing. But guys feel it makes them weak to sell now when in reality it makes people interested. If we watched UFC and nobody got hurt we wouldn't watch right? (a verbal yes will do fine here)"

Can you shed more light on your recent comments that John Cena wanted Randy Orton fired when you were in WWE?

"It was the same night when Cena tried toughening up Carlito (which was absolutely stupid of Cena) he was pretty much bullying him because we all know if Carlito hit Cena and hurt him he would be fired plain and simple. But regardless once John calmed down I asked him what that was all about he ranted and other crap saying people need to hold their own weight around here and some how he got to Randy being suspended saying he is trying for Randy's release to send a message to everyone that they can all be fired just as easily. As for now I don't know if John is trying for Randy's release or not but if I had to guess I would say it is due to the fact that he told me he was before. This assumption could be wrong (meaning this could be false and not the truth) however John telling me in the past he did want Randy fired is true (that's true because he told me, see how that works haters?)."

Based on your recent tweets about your former relationship with Mickie James, it's clear that behind-the-scenes romance often winds up affecting WWE storylines. What is WWE's attitude towards wrestlers dating divas?

"It depends on who you are, top guy like Cena can do what he wants but most of the time they try to fuck with it like put you on separate shows and make one date another on TV. I think its a little sick joke but who knows really. I mean look at past relationships usually their on separate shows."

Since a return to WWE does not seem likely at this point due to your issues with the company's top star, are you interested in working for Impact Wrestling? "

"I get flown into TNA to try out. before my try out I see Dixie Carter and tell her thank you for bringing me in and I hope she gets a chance to see what I can do. We talk for a little bit and she ends the conversation with "ya know for a guy who got fired for a bad attitude I don't think your that bad" I'm like what! so i chase her down and say Mrs. Carter why did you say that and where did you get that information if I might ask. She said its all over the internet. So I do my research and find it all over the place that i got fired from WWE for a bad attitude. So now John and Mickie took my personal life, took my job, and left me with a bad reputation. That's real nice."

"Would i wrestle for TNA? if I could make more money working for them or equal to what i do now then yes otherwise it would be a dumb choice right? (verbal yes or head shake is suffice) Another thing people claim my timing is bad on this and maybe your right. John is going through a divorce right now and really wish him and Liz a peaceful divorce. But if anyone of you lost your job, personal life and then got stuck with a bad reputation your gonna honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing? lets get real people."

There's much more to the full interview, including:

- Kenn Doane ranting extensively about John Cena, Cena going crazy on the road with rats/groupies and earning the reputation of the "Tiger Woods of WWE"

- Cena breaking up he and Mickie James' engagement and what happened the last time he was face to face with John Cena backstage at a WWE event.

- How WWE has changed since he left in 2008.

- Name Association game with Vince McMahon, CM Punk, John Cena, Randy Orton & more.

http://www.sescoops.com/exclusive-interview-with-former-wwe-superstar-kenn-doane/

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Guys, Ken Doane wants you to know that wrestling is fake. Now that we have that settled...

This guy is nuts.

 

[FedEx227]

Warner, wrestling pod today?

 

[EmpireWF]

I'll admit, when Doane first came up, I had him pegged as a future superstar.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Ken Doane vs 2 Cold Scorpio on the Dragon Gate USA debut show in 2009 is one of the most out of context matches i've ever seen. Doane kept stalling and playing WWE style heel with WWE style spots. It showed me two things - one, he didn't understand how to work for that audience, and two, guys that come out of WWE developmental know how to work one way and one way only. WWE developmental should really be WWE supplementing guys as they work abroad, and then six months or whatever in FCW to get them ready for TV.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Warner, wrestling pod today?

Waiting to hear back from that guest that we talked about last time. He's supposed to send me times sometime today. Let's hold off.

 

[SHOGUN]

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Nuevo Mistico

It's Dragon Lee under the mask. No secrets here, they announced who it was at the presser. I think this will bomb, Lee was not a great choice.

"What has happened in the past doesn't matter, I want to write my own history"

Gimmick rehashes rarely work in Mexico (or anywhere for that matter). La Parka is the only one off the top of my head that became a big star, but even then not as big of a star as LA Park.

 

[EmpireWF]

lol @ TNA suing Scott Steiner over tweets.

I get why they're doing it, and I'd do the same....but it's still funny.

 

[Rayman]

Kenn Doane Interview: Cena Being The "Tiger Woods" Of WWE & Wanting Orton Fired, Spirit Squad
By Michael Bluth
Jun 20, 2012 - 11:51:50 AM

Former WWE superstar Kenn Doane spoke with SEScoops.com and spoke about a number of controversial topics, including John Cena being the "Tiger Woods" of WWE and breaking up his engagement to Mickie James (which led to the demise of Doane & James' WWE careers), Cena trying to get Randy Orton fired from WWE, his experience in the Spirit Squad, how WWE has changed since he left in 2008 and much more.

Note From Kenn:"First and foremost before reading this interview if your going to say "Your a cheerleader" or make comments of how I got beat in matches then your probably too uneducated and immature to continue so please hit the back button located at the top left of your webpage now. And now lets begin..."

When you were in the Spirit Squad, was there a feeling like this would brand you with a 'stench' that would be impossible to shake, or were you just happy to work with DX and Vince McMahon so early in your WWE career?

"We always knew going into it that groups don't last forever and the best way possible to get out of that 'stench' so to say would be simply to fight each other or go back down to developmental and be repackaged. Fortunately Dolph had that opportunity, the other 3 got fired and I got brought back the following week as Dykstra. Spirit Squad was basically a group designed to bring back DX and that's it. We came in as badass cheerleaders that took advantage of a 5-2 ratio and beat up every tag team they put in our way. Except when it came to DX, no 5 grown men could ever beat 2 not those 2 lol. This is where haters will say "duh haha you got superkicked and pedigreed." But I'ma let them in on a secret. ITS F*CKING FAKE! I knew what was going to happen and I did because that was my job. That is equal to me saying haha you just got a stack of papers at your desk and now have to work more. People don't understand that this is a job. Nobody is really the champion of anything. It is a simple show that you watch and enjoy. If you were in a movie with Sly Stallone and beat his ass but then at the end he killed you would you be mad? Absolutely not you would tell everyone to go watch it. We make short action movies where in the end one loses and the other wins. So if you think otherwise then you didn't read my disclaimer at the beginning and you can hit the back button now."

What are your thoughts on fellow Spirit Squad alum Dolph Ziggler's breakout potential?

"I think it's great and I am a HUGE Dolph supporter. I text him sometimes before big matches telling him I may do a shoot run in and help him win because he deserves it. I think if THEY let him above the glass ceiling he will be a big player when it comes to the future. We already know Cody Rhodes will get through the glass ceiling eventually for sure. His damn father is a writer. Nothing against Cody he is a great talent just saying it how it is. And as for THEY i mean the politicians in the top spots. Guys like... like.... whats his name??? (haters and nerds get ready here it comes) John Cena that's it. This man seems afraid of losing his spot and I never understood it because they are very high on him as we can all see but I guess when your at the top you must be afraid of falling sometimes. John is greedy in the ring and he is allowed to be. Very rarely do we see top babyfaces selling for anyone anymore. I think this is part of whats missing in wrestling today. I remember Bret Hart would sell for anyone at any level in every match, the reason being is if your babyface isn't in danger then why do we care to cheer for them? Steamboat did the same thing. But guys feel it makes them weak to sell now when in reality it makes people interested. If we watched UFC and nobody got hurt we wouldn't watch right? (a verbal yes will do fine here)"

Can you shed more light on your recent comments that John Cena wanted Randy Orton fired when you were in WWE?

"It was the same night when Cena tried toughening up Carlito (which was absolutely stupid of Cena) he was pretty much bullying him because we all know if Carlito hit Cena and hurt him he would be fired plain and simple. But regardless once John calmed down I asked him what that was all about he ranted and other crap saying people need to hold their own weight around here and some how he got to Randy being suspended saying he is trying for Randy's release to send a message to everyone that they can all be fired just as easily. As for now I don't know if John is trying for Randy's release or not but if I had to guess I would say it is due to the fact that he told me he was before. This assumption could be wrong (meaning this could be false and not the truth) however John telling me in the past he did want Randy fired is true (that's true because he told me, see how that works haters?)."

Based on your recent tweets about your former relationship with Mickie James, it's clear that behind-the-scenes romance often winds up affecting WWE storylines. What is WWE's attitude towards wrestlers dating divas?

"It depends on who you are, top guy like Cena can do what he wants but most of the time they try to fuck with it like put you on separate shows and make one date another on TV. I think its a little sick joke but who knows really. I mean look at past relationships usually their on separate shows."

Since a return to WWE does not seem likely at this point due to your issues with the company's top star, are you interested in working for Impact Wrestling? "

"I get flown into TNA to try out. before my try out I see Dixie Carter and tell her thank you for bringing me in and I hope she gets a chance to see what I can do. We talk for a little bit and she ends the conversation with "ya know for a guy who got fired for a bad attitude I don't think your that bad" I'm like what! so i chase her down and say Mrs. Carter why did you say that and where did you get that information if I might ask. She said its all over the internet. So I do my research and find it all over the place that i got fired from WWE for a bad attitude. So now John and Mickie took my personal life, took my job, and left me with a bad reputation. That's real nice."

"Would i wrestle for TNA? if I could make more money working for them or equal to what i do now then yes otherwise it would be a dumb choice right? (verbal yes or head shake is suffice) Another thing people claim my timing is bad on this and maybe your right. John is going through a divorce right now and really wish him and Liz a peaceful divorce. But if anyone of you lost your job, personal life and then got stuck with a bad reputation your gonna honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing? lets get real people."

There's much more to the full interview, including:

- Kenn Doane ranting extensively about John Cena, Cena going crazy on the road with rats/groupies and earning the reputation of the "Tiger Woods of WWE"

- Cena breaking up he and Mickie James' engagement and what happened the last time he was face to face with John Cena backstage at a WWE event.

- How WWE has changed since he left in 2008.

- Name Association game with Vince McMahon, CM Punk, John Cena, Randy Orton & more.

http://www.sescoops.com/exclusive-interview-with-former-wwe-superstar-kenn-doane/

Dude sounds real butthurt.

 

[ragman]

Saw something on Yahoo today about John Cena. Looks like he and his soon to be ex-wife are going through a nasty divorce. Before they were married, they signed a prenuptial agreement. However, Cena's ex-wife is saying that Cena had an affair with Mickie James. Therefore, the ex-wife and her lawyer want the prenuptial agreement declared null and void.

Stay tuned.

 

[EmpireWF]

Yeah, their divorce will be more nasty than the Hogan divorce. Ken Doane claims Cena slept around including with his then-fiance, Mickie James. The wife believes Cena did cheat on her but whether she can prove it or not, who knows.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I heard the wife cheated on Cena, too.

 

[FedEx227]

He was home what, 9 days a year? Don't blame either party.

 

[EmpireWF]

Well, what else is she supposed to do when he's on the road for the majority of the year?