The General Wrestling Thread

[CrimsonGhost56]

kinda weird if they did that as a homage to the silva-sonnen fight since punk is a good friend of chael's.

 

[EmpireWF]

kinda weird if they did that as a homage to the silva-sonnen fight since punk is a good friend of chael's.

Hence Punk playing the Chael part...

 

[dave]

AJ is going to win the WWE Title.

Book it.

I think she blew her chances with that God awful segment on RAW last night. She's cute bouncing around in those short shorts saying nothing, but give her the mic for more than a minute and I put my DVR into fast forward overdrive.
Can't blame the WWE for running with this, but her 15 minutes are soon to be up.

 

[JimLeavy59]

That segment would have sucked ass with anyone in her position. I don't think AJ is to blame for this WWE Creative must be doing lines of cocaine or smoking crack maybe both while writing some of this shit.

 

[dave]

That segment would have sucked ass with anyone in her position.

A good mic worker would have made it work, IMO. AJ, while cute as hell, is not a good mic worker. She has the face, the bum, the running shoes, and the skip .... but not the mic work.

 

[EmpireWF]

A good mic worker would have made it work, IMO. AJ, while cute as hell, is not a good mic worker. She has the face, the bum, the running shoes, and the skip .... but not the mic work.

No one cares about any WWE diva's promo ability.

 

[IamMedellin]

AJ, while cute as hell, is not a good mic worker. She has the face, the bum, the running shoes, and the skip .... but not the mic work.

see...that's what makes Dave...Dave...

most of us wouldve said she doesnt have the mouth skills and finished it off with a :med:

 

[JimLeavy59]

A good mic worker would have made it work, IMO. AJ, while cute as hell, is not a good mic worker. She has the face, the bum, the running shoes, and the skip .... but not the mic work.

I can't really name a diva who has had good mic work.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

A good mic worker would have made it work, IMO. AJ, while cute as hell, is not a good mic worker. She has the face, the bum, the running shoes, and the skip .... but not the mic work.

The segment was shit, and the storyline is shit.

You have two of the best wrestlers on the planet, and the entire storyline is centered around a 21 year old female character with zero upside and low ceiling potential. You can put any female performer on the planet, past or present, in that role and it's still shit.

The aren't feuding over who is the best in the world, they aren't feuding over the championship, they are feuding as a backdrop for which side the girl will take or not take.

It's backwards booking logic that makes no sense, and serves no purpose.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

CHIKARA isn't always my cup of tea, but they really do come up with some out of the box cool shit sometimes....

 

The HEARTTHROBS are back!

http://www.chikarapro.com/jul-28-2012.php

 

[EmpireWF]

How old is Quack? Seems like he's been around for as long as Daniels.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He's only 36.

 

[JimLeavy59]

This might sound odd but does WWE need to bring in some fresh blood on creative? Because right now they are spitting out pure shit. Maybe Vince needs to step back but right now WWE creative blows its like they aren't even trying.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

This might sound odd but does WWE need to bring in some fresh blood on creative? Because right now they are spitting out pure shit. Maybe Vince needs to step back but right now WWE creative blows its like they aren't even trying.

broken record

WWE is what it is, it isn't going to change. People like fancy graphics and big production, it's habit viewing, it's number one, and we are a society that likes things perceived as the best. There are a few million people who just want to turn their brain off and watch this stuff, and that's fine, I have no gripe with those people, they have a right to enjoy whatever they enjoy, and as long as those people show up every Monday and buy a moderate amount of PPV's, the mindset of the company will never change. And honestly, I don't really blame them. Are there things that I think they do terribly, and if changed could make them more money? Absolutely. Will they ever change those things? Not a chance. Not while Vince McMahon is breathing. He has a specific vision, it made him a millionaire, and that's that. I'm well past the point of thinking they will ever produce a wrestling show that I can really sink my teeth into. It's not meant for me, and I accept it.

 

[JimLeavy59]

broken record

WWE is what it is, it isn't going to change. People like fancy graphics and big production, it's habit viewing, it's number one, and we are a society that likes things perceived as the best. There are a few million people who just want to turn their brain off and watch this stuff, and that's fine, I have no gripe with those people, they have a right to enjoy whatever they enjoy, and as long as those people show up every Monday and buy a moderate amount of PPV's, the mindset of the company will never change. And honestly, I don't really blame them. Are there things that I think they do terribly, and if changed could make them more money? Absolutely. Will they ever change those things? Not a chance. Not while Vince McMahon is breathing. He has a specific vision, it made him a millionaire, and that's that. I'm well past the point of thinking they will ever produce a wrestling show that I can really sink my teeth into. It's not meant for me, and I accept it.

True, hopefully more people get sick of it and start tuning into Impact but I doubt it.

 

[JimLeavy59]

If the buy rate for the Money in the Bank PPV depended solely on the go-home Raw, WWE would flirt with John Blutarsky territory: Zero-point-zero. WHAT A FRIGGIN’ DISASTER.

The main event got ruined. The special referee, the diva, became the focus. It’s not A.J.’s fault; if it is, it’s her fault for being too good. A.J. turned in a couple show-stealing performances.

BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU GIVE HER THE SHOW.

The matter of A.J. angling to unite with her true love (whoever that is) has emasculated Daniel Bryan and especially C.M. Punk (the heel is supposed to look stupid sometimes, but not the babyface) and reduced the WWE championship to total insignificance.

Divas don’t deliver payoffs. They’re meant to enhance, period. They’re totally interchangeable, and DON’T DRAW MONEY.

But A.J. cut some great promos, her facials are excellent and so, in knee-jerk fashion, WWE made her the hub of the storyline. Monday night, she Peter Principle’d out and killed MitB.

The anonymous Raw GM returned, and was revealed. It was the little person, because LITTLE PEOPLE ARE FUNNY!

Hornswoggle has been mute much of his WWE career, but we’re to believe he articulated all those erudite e-mails from UNDER THE RING. Who made Hornswoggle the anonymous GM? Did he somehow seize power on his own? IT MADE NO SENSE.

But mostly, it WASN’T FUNNY. Vince McMahon believes in lowest common denominator humor. Now that’s all he’s got left. As per my column last month, 5 million wrestling fans are still MIA.

One man stood out. One guy provided Raw with a respectable moment. John Cena cut a textbook go-home promo defining the importance and glory of both the MitB match and the WWE title. I’m glad someone has a modicum of pride, smarts and savvy.

Actually, I’m pretty sure Punk does, too. His pained expressions during his exchanges with Bryan and A.J. seemed a bit too real.

Raw is supposed to be PG, as highlighted by WWE’s pro-bullying campaign. (C’mon, watch the show. They can’t possibly be against it.) But, in the attempt to be kid-friendly, they’ve become a bad Nickelodeon tweener show. Hannah Montana in tights.

It’s junior high recess. Punk and Bryan are fighting over a girl, except neither one really likes her. The girl skips around the playground because she knows the guys are watching. Jack Swagger is the big, bumbling oaf who hasn’t grown into his size. Dolph Ziggler is the dumb jock with the loudmouthed mother. Cena’s the cool kid, but half the class hates him because he’s cool. McMahon is Mr. Belding more than he’d ever admit.

It’s dumb, sophomoric and juvenile. Watching Monday’s Raw, I was stunned by how awful it was. Two hours of USELESS.

So naturally, they’re going to three hours. Shrewd move.

I’m further amazed by just how little talent there is. Take Swagger. He’s thought of as an occasional main-eventer and a long-term cornerstone. He’s already been world champ.

But what’s Swagger got going for him? He can’t talk. He’s an OK worker, not great, and he’s funny-looking. His head’s too big for his body, his teeth too big for his head. In the late ‘90s, Swagger could not have gotten on TV. Look at wrestlers who got lost in the shuffle then, talented performers like Shane Douglas. You think Swagger now is better than Douglas was then? Please.

Great article by Mark Madden.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

True, hopefully more people get sick of it and start tuning into Impact but I doubt it.

Hopefully with Dave Lagana on board and Vince Russo unemployed, TNA can keep this hot run going and this is the start of something great. TNA right now has me really excited about wrestling again. Don't get me wrong, New Japan has been fantastic this year, and Dragon Gate is always at minimum very entertaining, but there is nothing like a hot North American product. It would be great if TNA could go on a ECW 94-98 or ROH 04-07 or NWA 86-89 type run.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Great article by Mark Madden.

Madden speaking the truth.

Sounds a lot like the podcast we did a couple of days ago.

I'm sure AJ is a nice girl, but she is killing the show and needs to go to the mid card where she belongs.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Madden speaking the truth.

Sounds a lot like the podcast we did a couple of days ago.

I'm sure AJ is a nice girl, but she is killing the show and needs to go to the mid card where she belongs.

Agreed she is good but they are doing to much with her let her wrestle and take the belt off Layla.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

It’s junior high recess. Punk and Bryan are fighting over a girl, except neither one really likes her. The girl skips around the playground because she knows the guys are watching. Jack Swagger is the big, bumbling oaf who hasn’t grown into his size. Dolph Ziggler is the dumb jock with the loudmouthed mother. Cena’s the cool kid, but half the class hates him because he’s cool. McMahon is Mr. Belding more than he’d ever admit.

That is the WWE in a nut shell. Funny actually.