The General Wrestling Thread

[JimLeavy59]

I think this company is in for a really rough stretch after WM29 they have to start building new guys, I mean legit guys that can main event or be strong in the mid card. You have guys like Cesaro and Sandow but thats about it, Sheamus is going to be 35 this year Ryback is Ryback, they have made Dolph look like a geek, CM Punk will be gone within a year or two. And Cena is already breaking down. I mean putting together a mess like this would usually cost someone their job.

 

[IamMedellin]

you're arms are too short to box with god...who did Punk rip that from...

I heard Talib kweli say it on the Black Star album, but the internet says Nas also makes reference to it...

is it biblical?...nah...too sacrilegious.. or is it :cmpunk:

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The thing with Punk, is people want to cheer him anyway. He can do the same act he does now and be a face. In that respect, he's a terrible heel, because he can't get the people to completely turn on him. May not even be his fault. Like the Road Warriors. Everybody tried to turn them heel until they realized it was pointless. People aren't going to hate certain acts, ever.

If he is going to be the biggest douche that he is and still be a face...that's fine.

But, if he's going to be a face and HAM it up...oh boy...

Road Warriors were a face for 99% of their careers. They debuted as heels...they were so awesome, people loved them...they never ever changed their gimmick. They were always the Road Warriors...people just loved them.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Cesaro is clearly getting pushed, but he's no spring chicken either.

The problem was, they spent all that time ignoring indie talent when the were signing bodybuilders & models. So your Mason Ryans and Zeke Jacksons flamed out (shock!), and it took them too long to 'discover' the Cesaro's and Hero's and Danielson's, and now a lot of these "fresh" faces are over 30 already.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Cesaro is clearly getting pushed, but he's no spring chicken either.

The problem was, they spent all that time ignoring indie talent when the were signing bodybuilders & models. So your Mason Ryans and Zeke Jacksons flamed out (shock!), and it took them too long to 'discover' the Cesaro's and Hero's and Danielson's, and now a lot of these "fresh" faces are over 30 already.

Remember when we talked about Christopher Daniels being old as fuck, but hasn't aged in 15 years? The best thing Cesaro did was shave his head. As long as he stays in shape, he will look the same for another decade.

I think with H's in the mix as one of the heads of creative and certainly developmental...the age thing is going to be a little moot for a while.

 

[EmpireWF]

Ziggler
Ryback
The Shield
Danielson
Barrett
Cesaro
Ohno on the farm

Things are looking better than this time last year aside from Rock. As long as they don't continue making Ziggler look like a fool for no good reason.

Throw in Punk, Sheamus (when he's not forced to do Cena-lite comedy), Sandow and guys like Kidd and Kofi who never get to go past a certain point...they have the guys.

 

[SuperKevin]

Bray Wyatt is going to be a star.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

My point, is why were people like Danielson, Cesaro, Hero, Aries, Low Ki etc toiling away in the indies as late as 2009, 2010 in some cases when people knew some of these guys were more than ready in 2006?

The WWE jumped on these guys too late because they were focused with finding non wrestlers with no passion and teaching them how to wrestle, instead of finding wrestlers who knew how to wrestle, had a passion for wrestling, and understood wrestling.

And TNA is even more to blame, because aside from Joe they had a chance to scoop up every single one of these guys and failed. Fuck, they had Punk & Aries years ago and let them go! TNA could have signed all of these dudes in 2006, mixed in a few vets to put them over, and who knows what could have happened. Heyman may have taken that job, as opposed to turning it down in 2009 or whatever when the ship had sailed.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Ziggler - Fans will take him serious
Ryback - Just another big guy without charisma
The Shield - Maybe
Danielson - He can get fucked dude is a clown
Barrett - Who gives a shit about him now?
Cesaro - Maybe
Ohno on the farm - WWE won't use him correctly

Things are looking better than this time last year aside from Rock. As long as they don't continue making Ziggler look like a fool for no good reason.

Throw in Punk, Sheamus (when he's not forced to do Cena-lite comedy), Sandow and guys like Kidd and Kofi who never get to go past a certain point...they have the guys.

I'm talking long term 5-10 years from now all those guys are in their early to mid 30's. I just don't see top guy material in anyone on the current roster hell most of the guys you listed can't talk worth a damn or have a dumb name and gimmick.

 

[FedEx227]

Danielson is a clown and can get fucked. Got it.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

My point, is why were people like Danielson, Cesaro, Hero, Aries, Low Ki etc toiling away in the indies as late as 2009, 2010 in some cases when people knew some of these guys were more than ready in 2006?

The WWE jumped on these guys too late because they were focused with finding non wrestlers with no passion and teaching them how to wrestle, instead of finding wrestlers who knew how to wrestle, had a passion for wrestling, and understood wrestling.

And TNA is even more to blame, because aside from Joe they had a chance to scoop up every single one of these guys and failed. Fuck, they had Punk & Aries years ago and let them go! TNA could have signed all of these dudes in 2006, mixed in a few vets to put them over, and who knows what could have happened. Heyman may have taken that job, as opposed to turning it down in 2009 or whatever when the ship had sailed.

The E definitely loved to find guys that don't love the business, but love the idea of money and then act surprised when they are future endeavored. There is a reason why Punk, Cesaro, Danielson, et al come in, work their asses off to get over, do whatever to get over and get over...and then outwork 97% of the roster between shows, helping out the young talent, doing promotional work, etc.

Oh, and for a product that is dying for more faces...they continue to shit on Zack Ryder. He could be one of their top mid-card faces...and he's over already...but nope.

 

[TheImmortalGoud]

 

[SuperKevin]

The problem I see is that someone in the WWE thinks all you need to be a face is a solid comedy routine.

 

[SuperKevin]

That kid looks like a kidnapping victim

 

[JimLeavy59]

The E definitely loved to find guys that don't love the business, but love the idea of money and then act surprised when they are future endeavored. There is a reason why Punk, Cesaro, Danielson, et al come in, work their asses off to get over, do whatever to get over and get over...and then outwork 97% of the roster between shows, helping out the young talent, doing promotional work, etc.

Oh, and for a product that is dying for more faces...they continue to shit on Zack Ryder. He could be one of their top mid-card faces...and he's over already...but nope.

Remember when Kane tried to kill him? lol

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Remember when Kane tried to kill him? lol

Kane never got his comeuppance and that halted any Zack Ryder progress dead. He was used as a clown...was getting over and getting huge pops...didn't matter.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The E definitely loved to find guys that don't love the business, but love the idea of money and then act surprised when they are future endeavored. There is a reason why Punk, Cesaro, Danielson, et al come in, work their asses off to get over, do whatever to get over and get over...and then outwork 97% of the roster between shows, helping out the young talent, doing promotional work, etc.

Oh, and for a product that is dying for more faces...they continue to shit on Zack Ryder. He could be one of their top mid-card faces...and he's over already...but nope.

Ryder...another guy who grew up loving it and has a passion for it. Curt Hawkins, too.

They have done a good job plucking euros..Sheamus, Barrett, McIntyre, PAC. Why they ignored the indies for so long is baffling, especially considering how fertile it was. Maybe it was fertile because WWE ignored it, though. The talent just collected. Who knows.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Ryder...another guy who grew up loving it and has a passion for it. Curt Hawkins, too.

They have done a good job plucking euros..Sheamus, Barrett, McIntyre, PAC. Why they ignored the indies for so long is baffling, especially considering how fertile it was. Maybe it was fertile because WWE ignored it, though. The talent just collected. Who knows.

Well, yeah.

It was able to collect all of this talent and fester in a few Indies because it was essentially left untouched.

TNA, moreover the WWE should truly be at fault for these guys festering.

As for Ryder...I'm convinced if they gave him the ball, he'd run with it...he'll never be a main eventer, but a mid-card guy that is always over...for sure. He loves the business too much not to, but you can see the guy getting tired of not being used, too. Its been like two years since he started his show and he's gone NO WHERE.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Remember about two or three years ago, they had this whole initiative that if you wanted it, you had to go out and grab it by the throat and take it? So Ryder did, and it amounted to nothing. Domino did that video thing and tried to create his own gimmick, and it basically got him heat and he's never been seen again. Dibiase tried it, and he's never used and on the verge of being cut.

 

[SHOGUN]

The WWE's whole face/heel system is flawed considering how family-oriented the show is meant to be. The main reason the WWE lacks faces is because nearly all of the so-called faces often do a lot of heelish/dickhead things for the sake of giving them edge, but instead it makes them look like assholes. From a neutral standpoint, guys like Cena and Sheamus are bullies. They are always interrupting people's promos and often to prone to wanting to fight first. The only straight babyface that's relevant is Kofi Kingston and even then he has his moments.