The General Wrestling Thread

[JayDizzle]

I agree he's boring in general if he's not a heel (not like he doesn't want to be one, he's been pushing for the longest time now), but I think he's one of the top workers in the company when he's in the ring. You're comment just made me think you were lumping him in with Khali or some shit lol.

On a sliding scale of Bummery with 1 being Ric Flair/HBK and 10 being Khali/Shockmaster, Orton's like... maybe a 4 or 5 depending on who he's facing.

Maybe it's the watered-down moveset mentality that's clouding my judgment of the guy.

I actually liked his stuff all the way up through his first crack at the World Title against Benoit.

After that, I didn't really appreciate the work until he started his "Legend Killer" schtick and then when he punted everyone on the planet.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Also, neither Briscoe is even under contract.

KENNY KING, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS

They've also abandoned live iPPV's and will now offer all shows VOD & DVD only. Supposedly they will be uploaded the next day. This is what they currently do for house shows.

Any rumors of the Briscoes to the WWE? They've tried out a zillion times at this point.

Also, terrible, dumbass shit, if they actually have the Briscoes contract run out and they have to pull out the stupid "stripped of his title" nonsense.

 

[JimLeavy59]

ROH needs to fold.

 

[EmpireWF]

Fun show, great main event. Bryan getting a tap out win over Orton had me :nanadance:

The Punk/Heyman stuff, Mark Henry....all great.

One thing I don't get, why have Ryback sell for the entire match (granted, it was about 3 minutes) with Khali until the impressive finish? Makes zero sense.

 

[JayDizzle]

One thing I don't get, why have Ryback sell for the entire match (granted, it was about 3 minutes) with Khali until the impressive finish? Makes zero sense.

India demographic.

Read somewhere (maybe here?) that whenever they show RAW or SmackDown over there, they use the Khali match as the main event on their tape copy.

Gotta make the Punjabi Playboy look good.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

-The reinactment of the Kaitlyn storyline by Big E and AJ was lulzy. The Kaitlyn fat suit...lulz.

-Jericho has been very underrated this year. Ever since he came back for his WrestleMania paycheck, he's been putting in good to very good matches regularly. Fuck Ziggler v. Del Rio. Gimme Ziggy v. Jericho and give'em 20m on Smackdown or Main Event or something, plz.

-Why does the WWE put their talent down on television...especially with Daniel Bryan. He's short...so what? He's like the Tyrion Lannister of the WWE. With that said, why isn't Daniel Bryan v. Randy Orton on a PPV?

-There is only one man who can make a 15m promo segment good...its Heyman.

-"I know I look good...this ain't no Men's Warehouse..." Henry is on a Domonic Brown like hotstreak.

-Daniel Bryan v. Randy Orton was really good...great finish, too.]

Another good RAW. Keep that fucking Soap Writer around and give'em a raise.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

So, Ring of Honor is no longer doing iPPV and have decided on doing a VoD model service?

laff.

 

[XavierDZ]

So is Ryback the new fandango?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

It must be really humiliating for AJ & Kaitlyn to do these segmenst on RAW and get *zero* reaction whatsoever.

Even on a three hour show, I don't think their is room for this dreadful story. Move it to a b-show, pipe in some crowd heat, and get it off of RAW. Nobody cares.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Daniel Bryan's character is still rubbing me the wrong way. I really want to be into him, but can't be until he stops being Eric Young 2.0

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Daniel Bryan's character is still rubbing me the wrong way. I really want to be into him, but can't be until he stops being Eric Young 2.0

I just hate that...they are trying to push him, obviously...yet you still have Vince McMahon...on screen...saying he's fucking Tyrion Lannister. Why? It doesn't help build him up and it definitely doesn't help that when he finally wins the title, it makes it some "against all odds" type of thing...so, I just hate it.

But, the weak link...now pissed off...and beating top guys...winning the MitB...not cashing it in like a d-bag, but challenging Cena for the title at Summerslam and winning in a good match is good enough for me to get behind it.

 

[EmpireWF]

Daniel Bryan's character is still rubbing me the wrong way. I really want to be into him, but can't be until he stops being Eric Young 2.0

He made Orton tap.

Eric Young? Come on...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He made Orton tap.

Eric Young? Come on...

His behavior, the comedy undertones, his look.

To me I can't take this push seriously until there is a serious edge to his character, because comedy goofballs don't have long shelf lives at the top.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I thought the 'underdog' Daniel Bryan from two years ago was a great character. And if you recall, he was also over. Remember when he won MITB 2011? Then he won the World title, did the slow heel turn, did the YES YES YES thing, and that was the kiss of death, because once that got over, the WWE Subtlety Hammer took over, and they turned a cool little heel mannerism into a giant overdone meme, and in the process also turned him into an over the top caricature.

So to me, you can't even argue that he wasn't over until they really went nuts with the Hell No stuff, because that's simply not true. Feisty babyface underdog Bryan was over. Cocky asshole who mistreated AJ heel Bryan was over. He didn't need this.

 

[EmpireWF]

The past month+, he's had the hottest matches and received the biggest reactions from crowds on both RAW and SD, too.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The past month+, he's had the hottest matches and received the biggest reactions from crowds on both RAW and SD, too.

I don't disagree.

What i'm saying is I think there is a limit to how far they will go with a character like his. That is my issue.

 

[EmpireWF]

I don't disagree.

What i'm saying is I think there is a limit to how far they will go with a character like his. That is my issue.

Well...he's not getting a run as champion, that's more than apparent. So, assuming he remains a babyface (Orton turns heel), highest he can be is the #2 guy underneath Cena. Seems like that's the spot for everyone in the company including Punk, so there's that. While they do have the McMahons on TV talking about how small he is and the 'weak link' storyline, he's still coming off like a legit player based exclusively on his in-ring work.

For now, I'll take it.

 

[s@ppisgod]

It is undermining all of the positive work he's doing to belittle him without it working into a storyline. That's so McMahon. They kinda get behind him, he's doing nothing but positive things in and out of the ring, and Vince just has to take a jab at him because his physique doesn't get Vince's rocks off. What a douche.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Vince's biggest problem is...15 years later...he's still "I'm Vince McMahon, god damnit!" on television. And apart of that character, is that he puts everyone down. Terrible. It worked 15 years ago when he was building himself up to get his comeuppance...in 2013, its just the boss being counterproductive.

 

[FedEx227]

That's the core of the problem. The Vince character is so clearly the boss and that line has been knocked down so often that when you says something or puts a guy down it's not "EVIL BOSS VINCE MCMAHON WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO KICK HIS ASS!" it's just, the guy Vince McMahon. The guy that very clearly runs the company and when he says thinks like that, it doesn't seem irrational or crazy, it seems like "well, that's probably what he actually thinks"