The General Wrestling Thread

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I've stated it several times before...Edge is someone I didn't appreciate when he was around.

I then went back, right around when he retired and realized wtf I was missing out on. He was really good for a long time. Maybe its because it was oft-regulated to Smackdown and I rarely watch Smackdown without it fast forwarded through most of it. I don't know. But, in the ring, he was really good for a long time.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I always preferred Christian to Edge in ring. I think Christian is/was much better at putting together a long match, where as Edge was more reliant on a few key spots. As an overall performer I give the edge to Edge (no pun intended), but it's closer than you think. I think Christian is better in ring, they are very close when it comes to promos (Edge is probably better as a heel, but Christian is very good in his own right and a better face promo), and Edge blows him away in the charisma department.

There aren't many people I enjoy watching in a long North American style match as Christian.

 

[s@ppisgod]

Agreed. But I think Edge as a heel promo-wise is pretty decently ahead of Christian regardless. Christian can carry a match well, much better than Edge. But Edge can work a big match better. Maybe it is those key spots or high spots, but the guy always made his big matches come off as delivering. His matches with Cena were a turning point in CENA's career. That was when Cena started carrying his own weight and being able to not only be led to a good match but find his footing as the guy leading others to solid matches. That was the first time Cena became watchable as an in-ring talent, rising from concretely mediocre to above average.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I always preferred Christian to Edge in ring. I think Christian is/was much better at putting together a long match, where as Edge was more reliant on a few key spots. As an overall performer I give the edge to Edge (no pun intended), but it's closer than you think. I think Christian is better in ring, they are very close when it comes to promos (Edge is probably better as a heel, but Christian is very good in his own right and a better face promo), and Edge blows him away in the charisma department.

There aren't many people I enjoy watching in a long North American style match as Christian.

I love Christian...and would give give him the in-ring nod over Edge...but I've shit on Edge a ton when he was active...I've just come around him and I think he's really good. They both are pretty complete workers, but compliment each other very well.

And, Christian gets infinite props from me when he was able to carry Randy Orton to a string a excellent matches. No one got great matches out of Orton up to that point.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Agreed. But I think Edge as a heel promo-wise is pretty decently ahead of Christian regardless. Christian can carry a match well, much better than Edge. But Edge can work a big match better. Maybe it is those key spots or high spots, but the guy always made his big matches come off as delivering. His matches with Cena were a turning point in CENA's career. That was when Cena started carrying his own weight and being able to not only be led to a good match but find his footing as the guy leading others to solid matches. That was the first time Cena became watchable as an in-ring talent, rising from concretely mediocre to above average.

They never missed the boat more than they did with that botched Christian-Cena feud. That would have made Christian a made-man.

He was on RAW, IIRC, just putting in the best character work of his career. He's running the anti-Cena gimmick as Captain Charisma he's getting really hot. An obvious tension built up between the two and they never really interacted except, I think at Money in the Bank. They only really interacted in like 3-ways and other beat matches like that. Then they do the double switch at the Draft show. IIRC, he ended up having a mini feud with JBL before he went to TNA...brutal.

That would've been fantastic.

 

[EmpireWF]

Vince: Christian? He's too ugly to be a top guy!

 

[JayDizzle]

While I know he isn't going to win, seeing "Mr. No Days Off" Darren Young get some TV time makes me happy.

The Prime Time Players are basically the jobber tag team now that the Usos are getting the rub from the Divas show... A lot more dues to be paid (although I'm sure Vince won't give them a chance) but it'll be worth it to see.

That and getting to square up against a legend (He's a legend, right?) like Rob Van Dam isn't that bad of a deal either.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

PTP's do nothing for me. I don't know why.

 

[JayDizzle]

PTP's do nothing for me. I don't know why.

Other than the lack of an official entrance as of late (a JTTS staple), I'd imagine the problem being a lack of a complete offense (lots of power game stuff, some decent double team moves when they're allowed to by Vince but no official chains) and the personalities that show a lot of confidence but nothing to show for it.

It doesn't help that their mouthpiece got himself fired over making a stupid comment and then got blacklisted by being stupider on Twitter.

These dudes could be the next Harlem Heat but they need a manager to get them over the hump and showcase WHY they're worth million of dollars... millions and millions and billions of dollars...

Unfortunately, Heyman's busy, Vickie's back to being a GM, Striker's in the indies/unemployed and any of the divas that could do it for TV time have worse charisma than a wet paper bag.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Other than the lack of an official entrance as of late (a JTTS staple), I'd imagine the problem being a lack of a complete offense (lots of power game stuff, some decent double team moves when they're allowed to by Vince but no official chains) and the personalities that show a lot of confidence but nothing to show for it.

It doesn't help that their mouthpiece got himself fired over making a stupid comment and then got blacklisted by being stupider on Twitter.

These dudes could be the next Harlem Heat but they need a manager to get them over the hump and showcase WHY they're worth million of dollars... millions and millions and billions of dollars...

Unfortunately, Heyman's busy, Vickie's back to being a GM, Striker's in the indies/unemployed and any of the divas that could do it for TV time have worse charisma than a wet paper bag.

They will never do it, but the Miz could get them over. Do a program similar to the WWE'12 game, and have him essentially running a stable. It would be gold with him predominantly on the mic, and it wouldn't be too farfetched if/when he had to step in the ring with someone.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

PTP's do nothing for me. I don't know why.

They don't let'em run.

Like 3MB would be great bottom of the card heels. They aren't great workers, but they have a good goofy gimmick that would get over on SMS or something. A good jobber tag team if they ever get tag teams really running again. With The Shield, The Wyatt's, The Ascension and the unnamed Southern Tag Team in the pipeline along with the Uso's, PTP, Real Americans, Epico/Primo, Tons of Funk, Neville/TTPotM and when he returns Tyson Kidd/Justin Gabriel...the WWE has a good group of Tag Teams under their umbrella...they could utilize a team like the PTP more...they have an entertainment value...it wouldn't be with your demographic, but its there.

When they've given Titus O'Neill some rope, he's really done a good job bringing some urban humor the show. The Pancake Patterson skit was never capitalized on...that was some gold there...touches into the same market that Uncle Drew or Grandmama did.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

At tonight's TNA house show in Cape Girardeau, MO, that was scheduled to start a few minutes ago, road agent Pat Kenney came out at the start of the show and announce that roughly half the wrestlers who were scheduled would not be allowed to work due to commission licensing issues. They are offering both refunds, and for those who don't take refunds, a free fan interaction with all the wrestlers.

Christ.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

http://instagram.com/p/cAgYLUofTz/

Seriously, why bother?

Decent indies draw better crowds than this. Stay in your lane, TNA.

 

[FedEx227]

http://instagram.com/p/cAgYLUofTz/

Seriously, why bother?

Decent indies draw better crowds than this. Stay in your lane, TNA.

Holy crap, are you sure that isn't a "Wrestling Is" show?

 

[BigBiss]

Holy crap, are you sure that isn't a "Wrestling Is" show?

Wrestling Is Terrible .... now in the defense is this before or after they announced half the crew would not be working?

 

[FedEx227]

Look at the arena layout, even if it was a packed house that's still, what, 300-500 tops?

 

[FedEx227]

Wrestling Is Terrible .... now in the defense is this before or after they announced half the crew would not be working?

Wrestling Is A Really Dumb Business Idea Unless It Was To Prevent An Ex-Wife From Taking Assets

Although per Reddit:

During the end of the Hell Monkey and #13 match for control of Dr. Cube's posse, Sekmet came out, gave everyone chokeslams, and commanded some of Dr. Cube's minions to bring out a jewelery case sized box. He seemed like he was controlling these minions and they were revering the box, so it leads me to believe that the Eye of Tyr was inside. If the Eye of Tyr is really making a reappearance, this could mean big things for the Kaiju/CHIKARA universe. After the show I even asked Louden Noxious (Gavin Loudspeaker) if he could confirm or deny what was in the box and he gave me a shrug. A shrug like I was onto something. Or that could just be me. I don't know. I'm still marking out pretty hard right now even as I type this. Sorry for the long post. And sorry for anyone who was there who had to witness my high pitched freak out screams (I was the guy in the Ultramantis Black shirt).

aka The Eye of Tyr potentially just made a reappearance in Kaiju Big Battel, which could mean big things for the Kaiju/CHIKARA universe.

 

[BigBiss]

Wrestling Is A Really Dumb Business Idea Unless It Was To Prevent An Ex-Wife From Taking Assets

Although per Reddit:



aka The Eye of Tyr potentially just made a reappearance in Kaiju Big Battel, which could mean big things for the Kaiju/CHIKARA universe.

think he made her wear the mask?

 

[FedEx227]

Christ.

Here's some more details on what happened:

The TNA live event in Cape Girardeau, Missouri started last night with a TNA agent coming out and announcing that Chris Sabin, Garett Bischoff, Jay Bradley, Wes Brisco, Gail Kim and Miss Tessmacher would not be allowed to compete by the Missouri Athletic Commission because they did not have licenses to wrestle.
Around 500 fans were in attendance for the 90 minute show. The card featured just 5 matches and 3 of those 5 featured the same four wrestlers. Quick results look like this:
Bully Ray beat James Storm
Devon beat Gunner
Samoa Joe beat Bobby Roode
Gunner and James Storm beat Ray and Devon
Jeff Hardy beat Kurt Angle
TNA officials tried to make up for the problems by inviting all fans backstage after the show to meet wrestlers for free. However, Jeff Hardy charged $20 for a photo and fans could not get his autograph. This led to some of the people that paid $65 for VIP tickets to be upset that fans were getting what they paid for for free.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

That is brutal.

The house shows that TNA have, typically have the same rotation of guys...usually 5-6 matches, always well under 2 hours (pushing it closer to 90m most often), with an intermission.